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From official Sony Brochure release:

Experience movies on disc and popular streaming
services with true 4K clarity. The VPL-VW260ES (285es)
brings all your entertainment beautifully to life, with
SXRD panel technology delivering extraordinary
clarity, colour and contrast. Support for HDR plus the
latest picture standards ensures an unforgettable
experience, now and in the future.
Key Features:
• Advanced SXRD panel technology
• Cinematic 4K clarity with four times the detail of
Full HD
• Enjoy 4K HDR movies and streaming services with a
wider range of brightness levels
• High brightness 1,500 ANSI lumens
• Reality Creation upscales Full HD movies to 4K
• TRILUMINOS technology for wider colour range
• Supports latest standards including 4K HDR 60p
10bit (HDR10/HLG)

• Built-in RF transmitter compatible with standard RF
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Tracking shows out for delivery. What exactly I get is anyone's guess. I also thought it could be a Amazon bug.
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You're getting what you ordered. Any chance you'll test 10 bit and a pixel pattern?
How to I run this test TheBrandon?
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Currently the battle in my head is over a VW285es and a 45es. If the VW285 had more lumens and 18gbs hdmi, it would be easy choice but now i feel i'm wasting money investing in the 285 when 99% of my content is 1080p.

Judging from previous models.... 285 v 45
Will the VW285 be a big step up for 1080 content? If so how?
How is brightness for 2D and 3D between them roughly?
Is native contrast and black level around the same?

I feel 3D will be too dim on my 120" screen with 285, 2D will be ok i think.

Feel im paying alot for just a slighlty sharper image compared to the 45es......

Thinking get a cheap 45, ride it out untill 4K, 18gbs more lumens....
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Currently the battle in my head is over a VW285es and a 45es. If the VW285 had more lumens and 18gbs hdmi, it would be easy choice but now i feel i'm wasting money investing in the 285 when 99% of my content is 1080p.

Judging from previous models.... 285 v 45
Will the VW285 be a big step up for 1080 content? If so how?
How is brightness for 2D and 3D between them roughly?
Is native contrast and black level around the same?

I feel 3D will be too dim on my 120" screen with 285, 2D will be ok i think.

Feel im paying alot for just a slighlty sharper image compared to the 45es......

Thinking get a cheap 45, ride it out untill 4K, 18gbs more lumens.... (Dont like motion on JVC 420 or Epson 5040 which was best alternatives)
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Currently the battle in my head is over a VW285es and a 45es. If the VW285 had more lumens and 18gbs hdmi, it would be easy choice but now i feel i'm wasting money investing in the 285 when 99% of my content is 1080p.

Judging from previous models.... 285 v 45
Will the VW285 be a big step up for 1080 content? If so how?
How is brightness for 2D and 3D between them roughly?
Is native contrast and black level around the same?

I feel 3D will be too dim on my 120" screen with 285, 2D will be ok i think.

Feel im paying alot for just a slighlty sharper image compared to the 45es......

Thinking get a cheap 45, ride it out untill 4K, 18gbs more lumens.... (Dont like motion on JVC 420 or Epson 5040 which was best alternatives)
Huge difference in the lens and with the 4K panels, a huge difference in sharpness. Also with the 285 you will be able to watch 4K UHD BD's if you want to. With the 45 you are stuck with regular BD.
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Huge difference in the lens and with the 4K panels, a huge difference in sharpness. Also with the 285 you will be able to watch 4K UHD BD's if you want to. With the 45 you are stuck with regular BD.
I find regular BR to still be very good to be honest. The lens quality is a good point though. In terms of black levels and native contrast would they be close or quite far apart? Basing on previous entry 4K sony of course. My room is 100% treated.
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I find regular BR to still be very good to be honest. The lens quality is a good point though. In terms of black levels and native contrast would they be close or quite far apart? Basing on previous entry 4K sony of course. My room is 100% treated.
Upscale those Blu-rays with a Panasonic UB900 and they will look better still ! I'd pick a VW285 over an HW45 for sure.
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Tracking shows out for delivery. What exactly I get is anyone's guess. I also thought it could be a Amazon bug.
So when is it supposed to arrive?
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If I get it, how do I test it?
Sounds like 10 bit has been answered, are you hooking up a PC by chance? I would still test. We can get a full pixel pattern. One of the biggest complaints about the 4k Sonys has been they dont resolve a pixel pattern properly or sharply.
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It is here!!!!!!
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It is here!!!!!!
Wow!! How the heck did Amazon get one?
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Sounds like 10 bit has been answered, are you hooking up a PC by chance? I would still test. We can get a full pixel pattern. One of the biggest complaints about the 4k Sonys has been they dont resolve a pixel pattern properly or sharply.
You know I hear that all the time from the same people but the only single pixel pattern tests I have seen were supplied by Sony and I didn't think they looked that bad. A checkerboard looked like a checkerboard and lines looked like lines.

However the single pixel pattern tests I saw from Seegs from the JVC were a mess as far as trying to delineate single pixels. They were fairly sharp and didn't have a lot of color fringing but the patterns were wrong. Like a checkerboard was just all gray. And single lines were tilted. I wouldn't expect anything else from a native 1080P panel projector. The pixel it is trying to image is 4 times smaller than the native pixel size. Eshift makes 1080P native panels sharper but it can't actually simulate true 4K resolution.

However, I haven't actually seen single pixel pattern tests from a Sony user and I admit that the Sony single pixel shots could have been simulated so who knows.
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can not see pics. is it up a running? hows it look we must know?
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You know I hear that all the time from the same people but the only single pixel pattern tests I have seen were supplied by Sony and I didn't think they looked that bad. A checkerboard looked like a checkerboard and lines looked like lines.

However the single pixel pattern tests I saw from Seegs from the JVC were a mess as far as trying to delineate single pixels. They were fairly sharp and didn't have a lot of color fringing but the patterns were wrong. Like a checkerboard was just all gray. And single lines were tilted. I wouldn't expect anything else from a native 1080P panel projector. The pixel it is trying to image is 4 times smaller than the native pixel size. Eshift makes 1080P native panels sharper but it can't actually simulate true 4K resolution.

However, I haven't actually seen single pixel pattern tests from a Sony user and I admit that the Sony single pixel shots could have been simulated so who knows.
I'm not the only person to post images from single pixel test patterns. @Kris Deering will confirm the odd issues that can be seen with these test patterns. The all grey checkerboard patterns can be seen on the Sony models too if I remember correctly, though it's been a while since I've had a unit here. There is also colored banding with vertical on and off single pixel lines in those patterns.
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I'm not the only person to post images from single pixel test patterns. @Kris Deering will confirm the odd issues that can be seen with these test patterns. The all grey checkerboard patterns can be seen on the Sony models too if I remember correctly, though it's been a while since I've had a unit here. There is also colored banding with vertical on and off single pixel lines in those patterns.

What pattern should be tested with? Sounds like Juan will throw it up. Any suggestions? Would love to see this put to rest.

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What pattern should be tested with? Sounds like Juan will through it up. Any suggestions? Would love to see this put to rest.
I will just let me know. I need to resize the pics before i can attach them. Give me a few, it just got here.
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I will just let me know. I need to resize the pics before i can attach them. Give me a few, it just got here.
You're doing gods work now brother. Haha!
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I'm not the only person to post images from single pixel test patterns. @Kris Deering will confirm the odd issues that can be seen with these test patterns. The all grey checkerboard patterns can be seen on the Sony models too if I remember correctly, though it's been a while since I've had a unit here. There is also colored banding with vertical on and off single pixel lines in those patterns.
I didn't mean to single you out for anything. I was just saying that your single pixel pattern tests were the only ones I saw and you didn't have any Sony pictures, just JVC, and the Optoma 65 I think.

The only single pixel pattern tests I have ever seen of the Sony 4K projectors were directly from Sony in a white paper. I don't doubt that the images might have been simulated but they could have been real test shots. Hard to tell for sure. They looked fine.
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Unbelievable. I wonder how you got one.

I wonder if you are the only owner of a Sony VPL-VW385ES in the entire world!

According to everyone else there is no inventory available anywhere. I wonder if Amazon received one pre-release and you ended up getting it.
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I didn't mean to single you out for anything. I was just saying that your single pixel pattern tests were the only ones I saw and you didn't have any Sony pictures, just JVC, and the Optoma 65 I think.

The only single pixel pattern tests I have ever seen of the Sony 4K projectors were directly from Sony in a white paper. I don't doubt that the images might have been simulated but they could have been real test shots. Hard to tell for sure. They looked fine.
To be fair, the JVCs aren't advertised to be native 4K so it's not surprising these test patterns don't look perfect on the eshift units.
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