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Unbelievable. I wonder how you got one.

I wonder if you are the only owner of a Sony VPL-VW385ES in the entire world!

According to everyone else there is no inventory available anywhere. I wonder if Amazon received one pre-release and you ended up getting it.
I guess it is possible the serial number end in 0001
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Got to get dinner. Let me know if you want to know anything. I will take care of my peeps.
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To be fair, the JVCs aren't advertised to be native 4K so it's not surprising these test patterns don't look perfect on the eshift units.
Is there a test pattern you recommend thats downloadable? I looked for a 4096x2160 and couldn't find one. Would any white or grey image with a close up of the pixels work?
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Is there a test pattern you recommend thats downloadable? I looked for a 4096x2160 and couldn't find one. Would any white or grey image with a close up of the pixels work?
R. Masicola's UHD test pattern suite is downloadable and is what a lot of people use. I think it's also now available as a UHD bluray disc as well.
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R. Masicola's UHD test pattern suite is downloadable and is what a lot of people use. I think it's also now available as a UHD bluray disc as well.
Unfortunately its 3840. Wouldn't you want something 4096?
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R. Masicola's UHD test pattern suite is downloadable and is what a lot of people use. I think it's also now available as a UHD bluray disc as well.
Looks like it is $25 via the site. I wish it were free.
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Unfortunately its 3840. Wouldn't you want something 4096?
No, the Sony is smart enough to display 3840 pixel perfect so no scaling will be happening.

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No food or sleep! Back to projecting!

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Looks like it is $25 via the site. I wish it were free.
I don't know if there are any quality and worthwhile free UHD/HDR test pattern suites out there.
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Got to get dinner. Let me know if you want to know anything. I will take care of my peeps.
Congrats with your Sony. I'm going to take a guess the first thing you'll notice after you get a quick but proper calibration done in the settings is how remarkable and easy to the eyes the specular or brighter highlights will look...they won't clip. At least that's what was shown during the demo of their entry level 285 model. They also played scenes from Revenant to show how it can handle detail in dark scenes and we were stunned how good it looked.

It's tempting to go with Sony but in the end I just cannot give up the native contrast of my RS500. It's very important to me if I want to be as close or faithful to what the film is. I wish Sony really did something to boost their CR level in their new models.
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Sony VPL-VW285ES and VW385ES 4K HDR Projectors at CEDIA 2017

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The 285/385 use a lower power, less bright lamp.

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They're all three 1500 lumens.
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The 675 is listed as 1800 Lumens on the Sony site.

While true, he was talking about the 285/385 and 365, not the 675. See his quote below that you quoted and replied to:
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I noticed that Sony changed up the lamp for the 285 & 385. The new lamp is LMP-H220 whereas the old 365 had LMP-H210. ........

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I guess it is possible the serial number end in 0001

Have you verified on the box and projector's sticker/plate that it's indeed the 385 and not the 675? I see in the picture you posted of the manual that it lists the 675 (along with the 285 and 385).
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Have you verified on the box and projector's sticker/plate that it's indeed the 385 and not the 675? I see in the picture you posted of the manual that it lists the 675 (along with the 285 and 385).

He posted a pic of the rear of the actual unit, its a 385.
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While true, he was talking about the 285/385 and 365, not the 675. See his quote below that you quoted and replied to:
I should learn to read one of these days
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I checked two days ago and Amazon was showing the 285ES in stock with only 1 unit left. The 385ES was not in stock, though.

I was very excited about the 285ES been below $5000 but I think I'm gonna pass this time on Sony. I had a VW40 that worked well for 3 years until it started showing blue corners. I sold it and got 2 years ago a HW40ES which after 3 units I got an almost perfect one. Great black and white uniformity but just a few weeks ago and after only 300 hours on original bulb is showing blue corners as well. I think I'm done with Sony and may try this time a JVC RS540 instead.

I haven't heard about the blue corners, is it that noticeable? The JVC still has the bright corners, but it doesn't bother me.
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I haven't heard about the blue corners, is it that noticeable? The JVC still has the bright corners, but it doesn't bother me.
It's like the bright corners on JVC but blue tinted. Weird thing is that on Sony projectors it shows after some time even if the projector hasn't been in use. I do use my projector very little, on the VW40 only put 400 hours total and on the HW40ES 300 hours so far in less than two years but it's showing the blue corner issue on the top left corner already. Mine is still under warranty, almost 15 months left but I know how painful is the warranty process with Sony so I have no plans to process a claim that most likely is gonna get denied.

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Sounds like panel/contrast degradation to me.
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Sounds like panel/contrast degradation to me.
Yes, I think it is panel degradation. I went over three units until I found an almost perfect one, very little panel misalignment and very good uniformity. Zero bright or blue corners until two months ago.

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Yes, I think it is panel degradation. I went over three units until I found an almost perfect one, very little panel misalignment and very good uniformity. Zero bright or blue corners until two months ago.
If it is under warrantee, get it fixed. Don't just give in. The warrantee process isn't that painful. Call them, tell them the issues, send it in for repair. If they find that it is panel degradation most likely they will offer you an exchange or a repair. There is no reason to assume that they will refuse your warrantee claim. Just because they might not be going pubic with the problem doesn't mean they won't honor the warrantee.
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He posted a pic of the rear of the actual unit, its a 385.

Oh really? Thanks. I checked all the images that came through before I posted and didn't see that. It must've been one of the ones that I couldn't see due to the broken links in his initial postings.
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Alright Juan - Where are the pics man? Lets see this thing up and running.
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Alright Juan - Where are the pics man? Lets see this thing up and running.
He posted some images here last night:

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Hello. I'm strongly considering the VW285ES, but I have to have the following:


- a manual iris that I can open and close as I see fit (I have a very light controlled theater room... I hate auto iris, but will want to close it down in eco mode)
- 18 Gbps HDMI (had the latest Epson with only 10 Gbps... caused all kinds of handshaking issues with my Ruku Ultra when trying to display HDR content. Bought a JVC and that fixed that issue)


I have read through some of this thread but still am not 100% sure. Thank you!
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Hello. I'm strongly considering the VW285ES, but I have to have the following:


- a manual iris that I can open and close as I see fit (I have a very light controlled theater room... I hate auto iris, but will want to close it down in eco mode)
- 18 Gbps HDMI (had the latest Epson with only 10 Gbps... caused all kinds of handshaking issues with my Ruku Ultra when trying to display HDR content. Bought a JVC and that fixed that issue)


I have read through some of this thread but still am not 100% sure. Thank you!
285 won't work for you.
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285 won't work for you.

Neither will the 385 since they don't have 18 GBps

Max it'll do is 4K HDR at 60P in 10 bit

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Neither will the 385 since they don't have 18 GBps

Max it'll do is 4K HDR at 60P in 10 bit
If he is not gaming, the 13.5 of the Sony is fine, but if he is wanting a manual iris, then no go.
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Do you think the VW285ES will support the new Apple TV 4K HDR?
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BB has opened orders early to mid Oct delivery.
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The odd thing is if you put it in the cart and check for store availability in the Houston area is shows available for pick up October 5th. Dangerously close to clicking the buy button.
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Last night Definitive Audio in Bellevue, WA held a special event with reps from Sony showing off some of the new projectors, including the 285ES. (They also showed the $60k 5000ES, the $25k 885ES, and the $25k VZ1000ES short throw projector.) They made a really big deal about how the units were hand carried directly from CEDIA, and how we were the first people outside of industry professionals to see one in person. I hadn't read this thread before last night, or I would have told them about @Juan Granados .

I regret not having done my homework in advance, b/c I would have liked to be able to ask more about the 18 vs. 13.5 gbps issue, though it seems like that's more or less a resolved issue. One thing I did ask about was some gaming applications, but I got two conflicting answers. They both said that the native frame rate was 120Hz. I asked about whether it could take a 120Hz signal as an input. One person said no, the other said that it could if it was a 1080p signal. According to the spec sheet, guy #1 unfortunately appears to be correct:
Computer signal input: Maximum display resolution: 1920 x 1080 dots (HDMI Input only)
Video signal input: 480/60p, 576/50p, 720/60p, 720/50p, 1080/60i, 1080/50i, 1080/60p, 1080/50p, 1080/24p, 3840 x 2160/24p, 3840 x 2160/25p, 3840 x 2160/30p, 3840 x 2160/50p*4, 3840 x 2160/60p*4, 4096 x 2160/24p, 4096 x 2160/25p, 4096 x 2160/30p, 4096 x 2160/50p*4, 4096 x 2160/60p*4
One question that I have now is that first line about computer signal inputs maxing out at 1080p. I am in the process of building a gaming PC which can output at 4k/60fps or 1080p/144fps, but it seems like I'll be capped at 1080p/60. Does anyone know what the computer signal input thing means?

One other thing I asked about was the speed of the iris in the 385ES. The person there said that the iris can adjust on a 120Hz basis, meaning that for 60fps content, it can adjust separately for every frame - and the iris doesn't make any noise. That just didn't make sense to me that it could be moving that much and be silent. But I've never had a projector with an automatically adjusting iris, so I don't know if this is a normal thing. Was the Sony guy right?

BTW, in terms of my impressions, I have to admit that I am unfortunately not the best judge. I haven't checked out any of the JVC eShift tech, and could only compare the 285ES to the 5000ES and the 885ES. (If you ever see them available for the same price, I recommend getting the 5000ES. ) Also, for the majority of the night, they only showed 1080p content on the 285ES. They were saying they didn't have a 4k source available, so they were just going to settle for showing off how well the 285ES displays regular Blu-rays. Finally they were able to get a 4k source so they showed Oblivion in 4k and the same scene in 1080p. The difference was of course very noticeable. I wish they had shown the full 4k demo like they did with the other units, though.
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