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Last night Definitive Audio in Bellevue, WA held a special event with reps from Sony showing off some of the new projectors, including the 285ES. (They also showed the $60k 5000ES, the $25k 885ES, and the $25k VZ1000ES short throw projector.) They made a really big deal about how the units were hand carried directly from CEDIA, and how we were the first people outside of industry professionals to see one in person. I hadn't read this thread before last night, or I would have told them about @Juan Granados .

I regret not having done my homework in advance, b/c I would have liked to be able to ask more about the 18 vs. 13.5 gbps issue, though it seems like that's more or less a resolved issue. One thing I did ask about was some gaming applications, but I got two conflicting answers. They both said that the native frame rate was 120Hz. I asked about whether it could take a 120Hz signal as an input. One person said no, the other said that it could if it was a 1080p signal. According to the spec sheet, guy #1 unfortunately appears to be correct:
Computer signal input: Maximum display resolution: 1920 x 1080 dots (HDMI Input only)
Video signal input: 480/60p, 576/50p, 720/60p, 720/50p, 1080/60i, 1080/50i, 1080/60p, 1080/50p, 1080/24p, 3840 x 2160/24p, 3840 x 2160/25p, 3840 x 2160/30p, 3840 x 2160/50p*4, 3840 x 2160/60p*4, 4096 x 2160/24p, 4096 x 2160/25p, 4096 x 2160/30p, 4096 x 2160/50p*4, 4096 x 2160/60p*4
One question that I have now is that first line about computer signal inputs maxing out at 1080p. I am in the process of building a gaming PC which can output at 4k/60fps or 1080p/144fps, but it seems like I'll be capped at 1080p/60. Does anyone know what the computer signal input thing means?

One other thing I asked about was the speed of the iris in the 385ES. The person there said that the iris can adjust on a 120Hz basis, meaning that for 60fps content, it can adjust separately for every frame - and the iris doesn't make any noise. That just didn't make sense to me that it could be moving that much and be silent. But I've never had a projector with an automatically adjusting iris, so I don't know if this is a normal thing. Was the Sony guy right?

BTW, in terms of my impressions, I have to admit that I am unfortunately not the best judge. I haven't checked out any of the JVC eShift tech, and could only compare the 285ES to the 5000ES and the 885ES. (If you ever see them available for the same price, I recommend getting the 5000ES. ) Also, for the majority of the night, they only showed 1080p content on the 285ES. They were saying they didn't have a 4k source available, so they were just going to settle for showing off how well the 285ES displays regular Blu-rays. Finally they were able to get a 4k source so they showed Oblivion in 4k and the same scene in 1080p. The difference was of course very noticeable. I wish they had shown the full 4k demo like they did with the other units, though.
That's sort of odd for a 4K projector demonstration.
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That's sort of odd for a 4K projector demonstration.
Oh yes, I definitely thought so too!
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UHD content as well as upscaled BR content look absolut amazing with both projectors!
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as well as the upscaled 3D picture quality...i have never seen such a good 3D quality at a home projector!
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UHD content as well as upscaled BR content look absolut amazing with both projectors!
@Chrismannn , how do you know this?
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That's sort of odd for a 4K projector demonstration.

Or they were embarrassed that they couldn't show 4K content frame-interpolated by MotionFlow and therefore used Full HD content.

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Or they were embarrassed that they couldn't show 4K content frame-interpolated by MotionFlow and therefore used Full HD content.
Yes, the thought certainly did cross my mind! I definitely want to see it put through its paces (or at least read reviews written by trustworthy sources who have put it through its paces) before pulling the trigger!

@Scott Wilkinson - I was wondering if you could ask the Sony rep you're in touch with about the two questions I buried above in my wall of text:

1. From the spec sheet, what does "Computer signal input: Maximum display resolution: 1920 x 1080 dots (HDMI Input only)" mean? I guess I know what it means, but where does that restriction come from?

2. How fast is the iris on the 385es? Is it really adjusted once (or even twice as the Sony rep told me!) per frame? What does that sound like if it's constantly moving?
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So, placed an order for the VPL-VW285ES last night. BB states it will be available for pickup at their store Oct. 7th. Looking forward to trying it out. What helped me greatly with the decision is I was able to finally the see the Sony VW365ES (last years model) in a good projection room and that did it for me coupled with all the discussions in this forum. Looking forward to trying it out. Sometimes what I think is lost in the very analytical conversations that take place in here is the "are you impressed with the picture" question and are you happy with it. Measurements are very important and give you the non-disputable (most of the time) facts, but in the end it becomes, did I enjoy the movie and was the picture the best I can get for the budget I have. I think the low end 4k Sony is going to be a game changer for the projector world not only for what it does, but the push it will have on the other projector manufacturers to deliver a better product for less money!
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BB has opened orders early to mid Oct delivery.
Sometimes those target dates are hit and miss but that's about when ours are due in......
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Sometimes those target dates are hit and miss but that's about when ours are due in......
Sooners better than later! Sucks having large purchases to buy around Nov if these go later. Especially when folks are ramping up for Thanksgiving and Christmas. I was hoping to have mine secured yesterday (my birthday and getting one before the pre holiday rush that may settle in with the Mrs as it progresses). Sony did good pushing this early but as the season progressives they are competing with all manners of things like holiday travel, Christmas gifts, iPhones, Xbox One X.

Hurry up Sony!!
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So, placed an order for the VPL-VW285ES last night. BB states it will be available for pickup at their store Oct. 7th. Looking forward to trying it out. What helped me greatly with the decision is I was able to finally the see the Sony VW365ES (last years model) in a good projection room and that did it for me coupled with all the discussions in this forum. Looking forward to trying it out. Sometimes what I think is lost in the very analytical conversations that take place in here is the "are you impressed with the picture" question and are you happy with it. Measurements are very important and give you the non-disputable (most of the time) facts, but in the end it becomes, did I enjoy the movie and was the picture the best I can get for the budget I have. I think the low end 4k Sony is going to be a game changer for the projector world not only for what it does, but the push it will have on the other projector manufacturers to deliver a better product for less money!
We were told, before end of this month for 285.
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We were told, before end of this month for 285.
What about the 385?
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What about the 385?
Told a week later, but also told that supplies will be pretty tight at first, so if not ordered early, you may be in for a longer wait.
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What are some differences between Sony VPLVW285ES and some existing projectors that a

It looks like the Sony VPLVW285ES is not out yet. I was wondering what the advantages of this model versus some of Sony's existing projectors like the VPL–VW365ES and VPL-VW350ES.
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It looks like the Sony VPLVW285ES is not out yet. I was wondering what the advantages of this model versus some of Sony's existing projectors like the VPL–VW365ES and VPL-VW350ES.
Start here, https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-dig...ia-2017-a.html Short version is the 285ES is basically a 365ES with a better lens and higher bandwidth HDMI while being far less expensive.
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Awesome, thank you!
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How do we know if the Sony VPL-VW 285 doesn't support Motion Flow with 2160P content?

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How do we know if the Sony VPL-VW 285 doesn't support Motion Flow with 2160P content?
Trust me. No frame interpolation with 4K on the 385. I wish it was otherwise. Still buying one though.
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How do we know if the Sony VPL-VW 285 doesn't support Motion Flow with 2160P content?
It doesn't. It was stated by reviewers as one of the separating factors between it and the 760ES.

It also doesn't have auto-calibrate which is present in the 385, 675, and 760.
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I assumed the 285 still uses lamp. I don't know anything about projector lamp, but does the lamp gradually deteriorate over time? Or, does it just suddenly died after the estimated usage hours are reached? Is there a way to tell how much life the lamp as left in the projector?
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I assumed the 285 still uses lamp. I don't know anything about projector lamp, but does the lamp gradually deteriorate over time? Or, does it just suddenly died after the estimated usage hours are reached? Is there a way to tell how much life the lamp as left in the projector?
Lamps usually drop off quite a bit in the first 200 of hours and then a steady decline after that. But as for end of life, that can be peaceful or or can be violent. Violent as in explode in the projector. When this happens, you will definitely know it. Laser also dims over time, but at a much, much slower rate. That is why you see laser rating of 20,000 to 40,000 hours to half life.
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Mike, thanks for the response. Okay, does any projector allow the user to check how many hours the lamp has been used or left?
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Mike, thanks for the response. Okay, does any projector allow the user to check how many hours the lamp has been used or left?
Almost, if not every one does.

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That was insane! Not sane! The opposite of sane! Sane-less! Lacking in sane! (and he goes on like this...)
Make for a good drinking game, where you have to take a drink every time he says insane.
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I had never heard 'insane' used five times per sentence before. If you factor out the 'insanes' the video shortens by 50%. And the way he was stroking and fondling the projector was kind of unsettling.
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.... And the way he was stroking and fondling the projector was kind of unsettling.

Come on, that would be insane for any human being to do such a thing!
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the way he was stroking and fondling the projector was kind of unsettling.
I always get this mixed up. Do we do this to our spouses or our Sonys? (D’oh! This is AVS...It’s about a 10/90 ratio.)

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Thank you. That is very helpful.
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Almost, if not every one does.
Used yes. Left, no. There's really no way to know how much life a lamp has left, it's not like a gas tank that you can measure, while they're usually relatively consistent, some lamps last a long time, some don't. There's really no way to predict lamp failure, about the only thing you can do is keep track of your setup's brightness and replace the lamp when it gets too dim.
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