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Hello, everyone. Can the Sony VPL-VW285ES handle 4k 24Hz 12 bit 4:4:4 ?
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I finally bought 3-D glasses and have been enjoying watching Bluray 3D discs on the 285. Is the first modern 3d capability I have d in my home theatre (I sat out the brief craze). Have to say it does really well - like cinema quality well. Not sure why I waited a year from buying the projector to get glasses!
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I have recently joined the Sony VPL-VW285ES owner's club. BTW, the information about the German curves was a huge help! HDR picture looks soooo much better. Thank you AVSers!

I have a question about upscaling to 4K. I have a Marantz AV8805. Should I let the Marantz upscale everything to 4k or should I let the Sony projector handle this task?
Try them both, odds are the Sony will do the better job though.

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Oddly, I just bought the DV/DA short “Escape” on iTunes today, and no blackouts, but my test go to uke Cage S1E1 is still doing it.
Now that Sony has issued a fix for the higher end PJs I sure hope they plan on releasing a fix for us.


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Try them both, odds are the Sony will do the better job though.

You get the firestick and download a few sweet 3rd party apps and you will be amazed at what is free out there.....
I think you left out some details. Sounds fun though.
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You get the firestick and download a few sweet 3rd party apps and you will be amazed at what is free out there.....
I had a firesticks on all displays in the house 12 months ago until I tried a Shield.
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I have recently joined the Sony VPL-VW285ES owner's club. BTW, the information about the German curves was a huge help! HDR picture looks soooo much better. Thank you AVSers!

I have a question about upscaling to 4K. I have a Marantz AV8805. Should I let the Marantz upscale everything to 4k or should I let the Sony projector handle this task?
Going with those curves is the worst thing I've done. Go with a Panny 820 for tone mapping and upscaling, it's going to be worth every penny. The jump in PQ was night and day once I switched for the german gamma cruves to the 820. You're loosing so much detail in darker scenes.
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Going with those curves is the worst thing I've done. Go with a Panny 820 for tone mapping and upscaling, it's going to be worth every penny. The jump in PQ was night and day once I switched for the german gamma cruves to the 820. You're loosing so much detail in darker scenes.
Not sure how you set up the German curves? You must also adjust the other settings in the instructions. The 820 will also do a good job but I think you have something wrong if you are having these issues with the German Curves.
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Not sure how you set up the German curves? You must also adjust the other settings in the instructions. The 820 will also do a good job but I think you have something wrong if you are having these issues with the German Curves.
No, I'm fairly certain that I didn't mess up anything with the german gamma curves setting. TBH, with my older Sony X800, the german gamma curves were better than the out of the box settings. It matched the high lamp default mode at low lamp. However, I didn't pay that much money to have subpar experience. With the Panny 820 + high lamp, the picture quality is much much better than it was with my Sony X800 + german curves at low lamp. I know that these curves are highly recommended here but I think it is a bad advice.

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I settled with those settings
on the PJ :
-cinema black pro : contrast enhancer to medium, lamp to high
-contrast : 70
-brightness : 48
-color : 47
-hue : 50
-temp : D65 with some tweaking in gain (-7 red) and bias (-1 red and - 2 blue)
-sharpness : 20
-expert settings : some color correction, everything else to off including gamma

on the panny :
output at SDR, BT2020 (non HDR but you can still use the HDR optimizer)
HDR optimizer to :
-Dynamic Ranger Converter : +3
-Brightness : +2
-Tone Curve White : +2
-Tone Curve Black: +2

I have a Stewart Grayhawk RS screen (0.9 gain, lots of sparkles, good at rejecting the very little ambient light that I sometimes have). I had this screen when I bought my house. I'd say it's bad for newer 'HDR' content and bad for 4k because of the sparkles. However, I'm having superb shadow detail even if there is a little bit of ambient light.
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No, I'm fairly certain that I didn't mess up anything with the german gamma curves setting. TBH, with my older Sony X800, the german gamma curves were better than the out of the box settings. It matched the high lamp default mode at low lamp. However, I didn't pay that much money to have subpar experience. With the Panny 820 + high lamp, the picture quality is much much better than it was with my Sony X800 + german curves at low lamp. I know that these curves are highly recommended here but I think it is a bad advice.

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I settled with those settings
on the PJ :
-cinema black pro : contrast enhancer to medium, lamp to high
-contrast : 70
-brightness : 48
-color : 47
-hue : 50
-temp : D65 with some tweaking in gain (-7 red) and bias (-1 red and - 2 blue)
-sharpness : 20
-expert settings : some color correction, everything else to off including gamma



on the panny :
output at SDR, BT2020 (non HDR but you can still use the HDR optimizer)
HDR optimizer to :
-Dynamic Ranger Converter : +3
-Brightness : +2
-Tone Curve White : +2
-Tone Curve Black: +2

I have a Stewart Grayhawk RS screen (0.9 gain, lots of sparkles, good at rejecting the very little ambient light that I sometimes have). I had this screen when I bought my house. I'd say it's bad for newer 'HDR' content and bad for 4k because of the sparkles. However, I'm having superb shadow detail even if there is a little bit of ambient light.
From your post I am still not sure you used the correct settings with the German curves.
To use them you should use the following settings on the projector when you install them.
Cinema Black Pro: Contrast Enhancer High
Contrast Max
Color Temp Custom 5
Expert Setting
HDR off (First of all switch HDR off)
Color Space BT2020
Gamma Correction Gamma 7 bias Gamma 10

Custom 5 Setup
Color Temp Gain R +27 G +10 B+10 and Bias 0/0/0

The above is from the instructions on how to install the German Curves.
You should also try on low lamp
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Hello, everyone. Can the Sony VPL-VW285ES handle 4k 24Hz 12 bit 4:4:4 ?
Hi.

Yes it can!
It can handle up to 4k 12bit 4:4:4 @30Hz .

Above that, the most it can handle is 4k 10/12bit 4:2:0 @ 50/60hz. It will however, downgrade those modes to 8bit colour.

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From your post I am still not sure you used the correct settings with the German curves.
To use them you should use the following settings on the projector when you install them.
Cinema Black Pro: Contrast Enhancer High
Contrast Max
Color Temp Custom 5
Expert Setting
HDR off (First of all switch HDR off)
Color Space BT2020
Gamma Correction Gamma 7 bias Gamma 10

Custom 5 Setup
Color Temp Gain R +27 G +10 B+10 and Bias 0/0/0

The above is from the instructions on how to install the German Curves.
You should also try on low lamp
These are the exact settings I had with the german curves. I had HDR to off. Like I said, I know it's low lamp and this is how I used them.

My lastest post are the settings I'm using with the panny, not the german curves.
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Can someone please post their best settings with the Panny 820 - both projector and Panny settngs
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Can someone please post their best settings with the Panny 820 - both projector and Panny settngs
I posted mine yesterday. BTW, I have a gray screen.

on the 285ES :
-cinema black pro : contrast enhancer to medium, lamp to high
-contrast : 70
-brightness : 48
-color : 47
-hue : 50
-temp : D65 with some tweaking in gain (-7 red) and bias (-1 red and - 2 blue)
-sharpness : 20
-expert settings : some color correction, everything else to off including gamma

on the Panasonic 820 :
output at SDR, BT2020 (non HDR but you can still use the HDR optimizer)
HDR optimizer to :
-Dynamic Ranger Converter : +3
-Brightness : +2
-Tone Curve White : +2
-Tone Curve Black: +2
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Can someone please post their best settings with the Panny 820 - both projector and Panny settngs
I like:

Panny: sdr 2020 optimizer on, slider adjusted to taste (I use +1)

Sony: Gamma 2.4, brightness 50, contrast max (I set brightness and contrast with the masciola disc), d65, high lamp
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Hey,

Still waiting for a FW update to fix the ATV4K drop outs. I've been told it is going to arrive by Sony but I don't believe them anyway.

This PJ has been the best in some ways (4K!) and the worst in some ways (terrible HDR support.)

It's really turned me off of projectors which I guess I should be grateful for because projectors no longer offer the best performance.

I'll keep waiting for the new FW but I think I'll start planning to replace my 285ES with a direct view set soon.

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Hey,

Still waiting for a FW update to fix the ATV4K drop outs. I've been told it is going to arrive by Sony but I don't believe them anyway.

This PJ has been the best in some ways (4K!) and the worst in some ways (terrible HDR support.)

It's really turned me off of projectors which I guess I should be grateful for because projectors no longer offer the best performance.

I'll keep waiting for the new FW but I think I'll start planning to replace my 285ES with a direct view set soon.

-Brian
I have a close friend who has this projector and is the same boat as you with the ATV4K. Apple knows about the issue and has done nothing since most users with other equipment don't have the issue.
It seems to me that the ball must be in Sony's court and they should come up with something soon. The best thing to do is to keep calling them each week. Hopefully the rumored firmware will get released soon.
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Hey,

Still waiting for a FW update to fix the ATV4K drop outs. I've been told it is going to arrive by Sony but I don't believe them anyway.

This PJ has been the best in some ways (4K!) and the worst in some ways (terrible HDR support.)

It's really turned me off of projectors which I guess I should be grateful for because projectors no longer offer the best performance.

I'll keep waiting for the new FW but I think I'll start planning to replace my 285ES with a direct view set soon.

-Brian
Projectors have never offered the best performance. They offer the largest viewing screen. If you're satisfied with a puny 75-80" TV mounted on a wall, by all means you should go that route.

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Hey,

Still waiting for a FW update to fix the ATV4K drop outs. I've been told it is going to arrive by Sony but I don't believe them anyway.

This PJ has been the best in some ways (4K!) and the worst in some ways (terrible HDR support.)

It's really turned me off of projectors which I guess I should be grateful for because projectors no longer offer the best performance.

I'll keep waiting for the new FW but I think I'll start planning to replace my 285ES with a direct view set soon.

-Brian

You really cut it close, Brian. We almost got an entire page in without your bitching about your projector and ATV. Just sell the damn thing and haunt another display forum already. Woe is you. Poor, poor guy who went all-in on iTunes movies, and even kept buying them after you found the issue and cause. I'm sure constant complaining makes you feel better, but it is plaque in the artery of this forum.
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What I don't understand is that Brian "solved" this problem with an HDFury Linker and seemed very happy. Sam got the Integral and i got an Integral 2 so that we could properly treat HDR and SDR streams differently while eliminate the dropout problem with certain DV programming material on Netflix and iTunes. Yes, SONY has said they would do a firmware fix, but why sell the Linker before that fix was available and go back into complaining mode?

Even after the SONY fix is available I'll probably keep my Integral 2 as it has made my system more reliable. Previously, some not insignificant percentage of the time, when the system turned on, the ATV 4K, my AVM 60 and my SONY projector would sync up in 720p. The Integral 2 sees to it that it comes up in 4K mode every time. This is important to me as I can easily power cycle the AVM 60 to get to a 4K mode when necessary, but when my wife or home/pet sitter is using the system it is best to avoid all possible failure modes. And yes, I probably could further increase various delays in the startup sequence, but it is good to have as short a macro sequence as possible for various reasons.
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I've seen that you're active in quite a few topics. From what I can gather, you used to have a 285es and got rid of it because of the black levels, right?

I was fairly new with projectors when I got my 285es, it was my second ever, coming from a Panasonic PT-4000 that was already installed when I bought my house. While the jump in PQ is great, I've slowly came to the same conclusions as you.

If there's a little bit of ambient light, I can crank up the brightness a little bit and have a satisfying PQ for the conditions. When I'm watching movies with my family, we're having a great time, it's perfect and we kind of like to have some minor ambient light for our popcorn and water.

At night, my place is pitch black. Sometimes, I like to watch movies alone (GF is working on a night shift so I get to watch movies alone, in pitch black conditions). It happened quite a few times in the past weeks that I was underwhelmed by the blacks. I've got my hands on Apollo 13, 2001, Matrix and a couple other movies on 4k HDR discs. It was awful watching them in those conditions. I had to turn down the brightness a lot to have decent blacks. And once you do that, this thing just doesn't have a decent light output. So it's pick your poison, decent blacks with no brightness or bad blacks with ok brightness. That being said, I have a negative gain screen (Stewart Grayhawk RS, that also was previously in the house) which doesn't help.

Overall, it is a nice machine with the right setup and the right expectations. The movies are fantastic in high lamp if you can tolerate the black floor being a bit too high. Sometimes I just wish I had waited 2-3 weeks and then went with the JVC X790 that went on sale for 1k cheaper than what I paid for the 285es. I'm not sure my next PJ will be a Sony but unlike the other guy, my next purchase will be another PJ. That big picture is worth it.
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I've seen that you're active in quite a few topics. From what I can gather, you used to have a 285es and got rid of it because of the black levels, right?

I was fairly new with projectors when I got my 285es, it was my second ever, coming from a Panasonic PT-4000 that was already installed when I bought my house. While the jump in PQ is great, I've slowly came to the same conclusions as you.

If there's a little bit of ambient light, I can crank up the brightness a little bit and have a satisfying PQ for the conditions. When I'm watching movies with my family, we're having a great time, it's perfect and we kind of like to have some minor ambient light for our popcorn and water.

At night, my place is pitch black. Sometimes, I like to watch movies alone (GF is working on a night shift so I get to watch movies alone, in pitch black conditions). It happened quite a few times in the past weeks that I was underwhelmed by the blacks. I've got my hands on Apollo 13, 2001, Matrix and a couple other movies on 4k HDR discs. It was awful watching them in those conditions. I had to turn down the brightness a lot to have decent blacks. And once you do that, this thing just doesn't have a decent light output. So it's pick your poison, decent blacks with no brightness or bad blacks with ok brightness. That being said, I have a negative gain screen (Stewart Grayhawk RS, that also was previously in the house) which doesn't help.

Overall, it is a nice machine with the right setup and the right expectations. The movies are fantastic in high lamp if you can tolerate the black floor being a bit too high. Sometimes I just wish I had waited 2-3 weeks and then went with the JVC X790 that went on sale for 1k cheaper than what I paid for the 285es. I'm not sure my next PJ will be a Sony but unlike the other guy, my next purchase will be another PJ. That big picture is worth it.
You might want to consider adding bias light on the side of, but behind the screen, if it is a roll-down screen. The key is that no light from the bias lights fall directly on the screen, but are visible by your eyes at the MLP. I use 2 pendant lamps. Bias lights will keep you eyes from completely adapting to the darkness and therefore the black levels will appear better. I started using bias lights when home theater LCD projectors, e.g. the SONY 10HT, had a contrast level of 150:0 and maybe double that after tweaking with a red filter and restoring to D65. Today even with my 385ES, where the black levels much much better, I find that some level of bias lighting makes the viewing experience more comfortable and does help the perceived black levels.

If at all possible use a dimmable LED bulbs that are close to D65, as that makes a good reference for your eyes. I also use a ceiling mounted dimmable LED spot light shining on the table next to my MLP. Even when you are watching by yourself, you still want to find you favorite beverage. I know that this is heresy on this forum, and I have done many things "wrong" in my home theater, but it works for me, my wife and guests who come for movie night.

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FWIW, I got revved up this morning and called Apple and Sony ES support.


- My "senior advisor" for my October ticket with Apple wasn't working today, so I opened a new one.
- I got connected to Sony dealer service instead of consumer, but the guy asked if he could help, and I told him that I saw that they had issued a FW update for the laser projector, and was wondering if they planned on one for the lamp-based ones. He asked which model, and said that yes, it was expected to go out by the end of the month.


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Gray block-like images

In recently got a 285es to replace my old Epson 5010. Is it normal to see what appears to be faint gray block like images when there is no video feed or between source input swaps? There is no sight of them when a source image appears. At first I thought it was brief image retention after the bright Sony 4K streaming source menu, but the block images didn’t line up to the previous bright menu selection images.
Normal or a problem?
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In recently got a 285es to replace my old Epson 5010. Is it normal to see what appears to be faint gray block like images when there is no video feed or between source input swaps? There is no sight of them when a source image appears. At first I thought it was brief image retention after the bright Sony 4K streaming source menu, but the block images didn’t line up to the previous bright menu selection images.
Normal or a problem?

Do you mean like macroblocking as if you were watching a DVD or bad HD stream? If so, then no. Not normal at all. If you mean the screen goes "lighter than black" for a second or two, then OK. Pics would help.
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I personally have no problem with Brian Hampton’s complaining. If Sony does give us a FW fix, we’ll have him to partially thank for it!
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I personally have no problem with Brian Hampton’s complaining. If Sony does give us a FW fix, we’ll have him to partially thank for it!
The funny thing is that Brian goes out of his way to blame Apple, instead of Sony. I say that when there’s a compatibility issue the company that fixes it always comes out looking better than the one that points their finger. So far they both look pretty bad to me. Hopefully the Sony firmware will fix it soon. I get bad sync issues with the Integral.
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I've seen that you're active in quite a few topics. From what I can gather, you used to have a 285es and got rid of it because of the black levels, right?

I was fairly new with projectors when I got my 285es, it was my second ever, coming from a Panasonic PT-4000 that was already installed when I bought my house. While the jump in PQ is great, I've slowly came to the same conclusions as you.

If there's a little bit of ambient light, I can crank up the brightness a little bit and have a satisfying PQ for the conditions. When I'm watching movies with my family, we're having a great time, it's perfect and we kind of like to have some minor ambient light for our popcorn and water.

At night, my place is pitch black. Sometimes, I like to watch movies alone (GF is working on a night shift so I get to watch movies alone, in pitch black conditions). It happened quite a few times in the past weeks that I was underwhelmed by the blacks. I've got my hands on Apollo 13, 2001, Matrix and a couple other movies on 4k HDR discs. It was awful watching them in those conditions. I had to turn down the brightness a lot to have decent blacks. And once you do that, this thing just doesn't have a decent light output. So it's pick your poison, decent blacks with no brightness or bad blacks with ok brightness. That being said, I have a negative gain screen (Stewart Grayhawk RS, that also was previously in the house) which doesn't help.

Overall, it is a nice machine with the right setup and the right expectations. The movies are fantastic in high lamp if you can tolerate the black floor being a bit too high. Sometimes I just wish I had waited 2-3 weeks and then went with the JVC X790 that went on sale for 1k cheaper than what I paid for the 285es. I'm not sure my next PJ will be a Sony but unlike the other guy, my next purchase will be another PJ. That big picture is worth it.
Yes I'm a black level "snob" The 285ES just was way too grey for me. There's a night and day difference between the 285ES and JVC 790 on black performance (pun intended). Seriously though, the 285ES is a good entry level 4K projector. But black performance is really its weak point. If you want some good blacks in native 4K I guess the JVC N5 is a good starting point, the N7 even better. You won't need any bias lighting or other tricks with those projectors. Blacks are excellent.

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