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I personally have no problem with Brian Hampton’s complaining. If Sony does give us a FW fix, we’ll have him to partially thank for it!
Yea I dunno. Sony didnt fix the problem due to Brian complaining to us in the forum over and over and over. We can't do anything about it. The issue got solved because someone reported it to Sony and bugged them about it. The same result would have happened had there been no forum activity on the issue.

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In recently got a 285es to replace my old Epson 5010. Is it normal to see what appears to be faint gray block like images when there is no video feed or between source input swaps? There is no sight of them when a source image appears. At first I thought it was brief image retention after the bright Sony 4K streaming source menu, but the block images didn’t line up to the previous bright menu selection images.
Normal or a problem?
I had a similar issue and I had to turn my brightness down by 1.
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Hi all !
Over here in Europe( Germany) there is a company called Heimkinoraum (" Home Cinema Room" ).
They put over a slightly red lens over the original one, and claim to get better black level.
Also the projector is calibrated, but some other claim that it works great with German Gamma Curves.
Ever heard of this ?
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Hi all !
Over here in Europe( Germany) there is a company called Heimkinoraum (" Home Cinema Room" ).
They put over a slightly red lens over the original one, and claim to get better black level.
Also the projector is calibrated, but some other claim that it works great with German Gamma Curves.
Ever heard of this ?
This is a technique that was first reported almost 20 years ago for the SONY 10HT.

http://www.smartavtweaks.com/index_orig.html

The issue is that mercury projection bulbs of that time, and likely even today, were deficient in red light. To get proper color balance with a calibrated projector, the Blue and Green levels needed to be lowered, via the B and G gain settings, so that the Blue and Green output levels were in balance with Red. If you turned the B and G levels up, you got a brighter picture and a better contrast ratio, but not an accurate image as it would be deficient in Red. A red filter let Red light through, but attenuates some of the Blue and Green light. Just adding the filter to a calibrated projector would make the image too red, but if the B and G gains are increased to restore color balance, the result is that the contrast ratio could be noticeably increased with improved black levels.

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I have no Issues with the black levels on my entry level 285es projector. 😏

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I have no Issues with the black levels on my entry level 285es projector. 😏
Have you ever compared the black levels to JVC? Glad you are happy with gray black.
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I have no Issues with the black levels on my entry level 285es projector. 😏
Me neither, blacks levels are satisfying. Not as good as JVC, but JVC's black levels are also grey when compared to TVs.
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Have you ever compared the black levels to JVC? Glad you are happy with gray black.
Hi.

Was there a need for that comment? No.

Without @Hyabusha directly comparing the images from the two projectors together, on the same screen, at the same time, brightness matched and calibrated to D65, then your comment is meaningless and irrelevant.

He is happy with the picture on his 285, so why do you feel the need to take a poke at the black levels with your comment?

So JVC has the blackest blacks on projectors as a general rule. That is great and pretty widely known.

But, not everyone places blacks at the top of the list however. That is just how it is.
You obviously do and that is rightly your choice.

Anyway, he is happy. That is what matters in this instance, NOT that you think he has made a bad choice.

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You are right I should never have made that comment. I overreacted from an experience that I had at a friends house. He owns a 285ES and He wanted me to see the Imax Enhanced Beautiful Planet film. While the blacks would probably look fine to the average viewer I was bothered but the lack of deep blacks on some of the space scenes. It is not an excuse to make a snarky comment and I apologize. I am glad that he is happy and aside from this the 285 is a very nice projector.
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You are right I should never have made that comment. I overreacted from an experience that I had at a friends house. He owns a 285ES and He wanted me to see the Imax Enhanced Beautiful Planet film. While the blacks would probably look fine to the average viewer I was bothered but the lack of deep blacks on some of the space scenes. It is not an excuse to make a snarky comment and I apologize. I am glad that he is happy and aside from this the 285 is a very nice projector.
That explains things. Feel free to watch some videos on my channel to see some nice blacks that I'm experiencing. THE RAFCAVE on YouTube.

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Me neither, blacks levels are satisfying. Not as good as JVC, but JVC's black levels are also grey when compared to TVs.
I recentlly was chatting with Chad B, he mentioned the picture off a RS540U was between a 900F and Z9D. That says a lot.
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That is why we have so many choices, buy what you like, no one's opinions matter's but your own
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Is there an imax enhances mode for this projector through an update?

https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...-support/43168


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Not right now. There hasn't been a firmware update in a while, but one is rumored to be coming soon to address an issue with AppleTV4K, but I haven't heard anything about IMAX Enhanced being a part of the update.
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February is 2/3 over. Wondering if anyone has any more info on firmware update to fix Apple TV issue.
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February is 2/3 over. Wondering if anyone has any more info on firmware update to fix Apple TV issue.
Unfortunately "No", US support and EU support does not have any update. I will wait for End of month and then chat with my dealer.
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Update: now it is on Sony website for download
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There's nothing that the projector would need to do differently to support that marketing machine that is "imax enhanced".
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Update: now it is on Sony website for download
They seem to removed it already. Does anyone have the link or the update?
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They seem to removed it already. Does anyone have the link or the update?
here the link:

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I just did the update and the instructions need some modifications. I think Sony did a cut and paste job from their laser projector update.

The first part of the instructions are correct
Updating the System Software
CAUTION: During the update process, do not remove the USB device or turn off the projector.

1 Power off the projector.
2 Make sure no other USB device is connected to the projector before starting the update.
3 Insert the USB storage device containing the update folder into USB port of the projector.
4 Power on the projector. Update process starts automatically.
5 Note: The ON/STANDBY indicator will blink green and then amber during the update process. The update process takes about 5 minutes to complete.
6 Once the update is complete, the ON/STANDBY indicator will light up red, and the projector will enter Standby Mode.
7 Remove the USB device.
8 Power on the projector.
9. The total time of doing the update is about 5 minutes.

From this point on instructions are not correct. The 285-385 will come on immediately after you turn it back on. It will not take 15 minutes for the update to complete. You can then check the firmware it should read 7004

Incorrect for 285/385
Note: After the update, the initial power on takes about 15 minutes to light the laser. During this period, ON/STANDBY indicator will blink green and all the fan will spin at high-speed. During the updating process, DO NOT unplug/power off the projector.
Once the projector completely starts and the laser is lit, the update process is complete.
Check the current firmware version to confirm that the update has successfully installed.
Note: If the version number is latest one, the firmware update was successful.

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I just did the update and the instructions need some modifications. I think Sony did a cut and paste job from their laser projector update.

The first part of the instructions are correct
Updating the System Software
CAUTION: During the update process, do not remove the USB device or turn off the projector.

1 Power off the projector.
2 Make sure no other USB device is connected to the projector before starting the update.
3 Insert the USB storage device containing the update folder into USB port of the projector.
4 Power on the projector. Update process starts automatically.
5 Note: The ON/STANDBY indicator will blink green and then amber during the update process. The update process takes about 5 minutes to complete.
6 Once the update is complete, the ON/STANDBY indicator will light up red, and the projector will enter Standby Mode.
7 Remove the USB device.
8 Power on the projector.
9. The total time of doing the update is about 5 minutes.

From this point on instructions are not correct. The 285-385 will come on immediately after you turn it back on. It will not take 15 minutes for the update to complete. You can then check the firmware it should read 7004

Incorrect for 285/385
Note: After the update, the initial power on takes about 15 minutes to light the laser. During this period, ON/STANDBY indicator will blink green and all the fan will spin at high-speed. During the updating process, DO NOT unplug/power off the projector.
Once the projector completely starts and the laser is lit, the update process is complete.
Check the current firmware version to confirm that the update has successfully installed.
Note: If the version number is latest one, the firmware update was successful.

It also seems that you need at FAT32 USB drive to do the update, and of course I have Macs. Off to Wal-mart to buy a few new ones.
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It also seems that you need at FAT32 USB drive to do the update, and of course I have Macs. Off to Wal-mart to buy a few new ones.
I think you are correct that you need a FAT32 USB drive to do the update. Guess there is no way on the Macs to reformat to FAT32? Good luck with the update.
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I think you are correct that you need a FAT32 USB drive to do the update. Guess there is no way on the Macs to reformat to FAT32? Good luck with the update.

Not that I know of. My Epson pj was the same way. No biggie, I need some extra sticks anyway.


edit- I can format it to MSDOS, and it shows FAT32 in the info, but it still won't start the update. Again, it's a Mac quirk that I remember from Epson updates. The drive has to be formatted in Windows for some reason.

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I have an iMac too it would be nice if someone with a PC can download the FW on a FAT32USB drive ship it to me I pay the cost of mailing & FAT32. Pm plz

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I have an iMac too it would be nice if someone with a PC can download the FW on a FAT32USB drive ship it to me I pay the cost of mailing & FAT32. Pm plz
If you need this I will do it for you. I have a small USB drive that I'll use on mine then drop in the mail to you. I live in NE so it shouldn't take long.

Maybe you could go to a library to use a PC and solve it that way ?
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I have an iMac too it would be nice if someone with a PC can download the FW on a FAT32USB drive ship it to me I pay the cost of mailing & FAT32. Pm plz

You can just use a brand-new USB drive. It will be preformatted FAT32.
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Thanks guys for the info pretty helpful .

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If you need this I will do it for you. I have a small USB drive that I'll use on mine then drop in the mail to you. I live in NE so it shouldn't take long.

Maybe you could go to a library to use a PC and solve it that way ?
It is great that Sony listened and came up with this firmware update. Wondering now if you will reconsider getting rid of your 285 and replacing it with a flat screen TV. From your posts the ATV was the big issue and now hopefully it is fixed.
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It is great that Sony listened and came up with this firmware update. Wondering now if you will reconsider getting rid of your 285 and replacing it with a flat screen TV. From your posts the ATV was the big issue and now hopefully it is fixed.
I spoke with a geek at Best Buy for about an hour yesterday. There's an awful lot about direct view displays that I don't know and they are rapidly changing.

I don't think my kids would be "okay" with my replacing my projector. It's only tempting to me because the ATV4K is the basket I decided to put all my eggs in (maybe a bad move only time till tell) and no projector supports it's best mode (DV.)

I have had 5 or 6 Sony projectors now... (VPH 1271, G70, VW60, HW30, HW45, VW285) Guess it's 6.

For the moment the 285 sells pretty well on EBay and I could get a nice 65 inch set. However, ... if you have followed my posts you know that I have special considerations about selling my PJ even on Ebay.

My PJ arrived fairly smashed. It was just put in a box it didn't fit and shipped UPS from Amazon. The case was broken, one of the circuit boards had a connector knocked off, the wires for the rear IR were sliced. It was in a bad way.

I got it for a very low price and had a buyer for my HW45 to recover half of that.

I was set to ship it back to Amazon but it was Sunday (no UPS) and while waiting I decided to try to repair it.

I jumped a connection on the circuit board that was damaged and the PJ fired up showing 0 hours. Eventually I repaired the case and the damaged wires for the rear IR and purchased a new board for the damaged one from Sony Pro Parts.

I'm the type of guy that if I wanted to sell it I would want to tell all this crap to the buyer.

And also the kind of guy that enjoys knowing he brought something back to life that was on the skids.

I certainly don't feel like selling it now. I have applied the fix and verified that it works and if it's ok I'll pretend they did this just for me... (ha ha .. just kidding, .. kind of.)

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I spoke with a geek at Best Buy for about an hour yesterday. There's an awful lot about direct view displays that I don't know and they are rapidly changing.

I don't think my kids would be "okay" with my replacing my projector. It's only tempting to me because the ATV4K is the basket I decided to put all my eggs in (maybe a bad move only time till tell) and no projector supports it's best mode (DV.)

I have had 5 or 6 Sony projectors now... (VPH 1271, G70, VW60, HW30, HW45, VW285) Guess it's 6.

For the moment the 285 sells pretty well on EBay and I could get a nice 65 inch set. However, ... if you have followed my posts you know that I have special considerations about selling my PJ even on Ebay.

My PJ arrived fairly smashed. It was just put in a box it didn't fit and shipped UPS from Amazon. The case was broken, one of the circuit boards had a connector knocked off, the wires for the rear IR were sliced. It was in a bad way.

I got it for a very low price and had a buyer for my HW45 to recover half of that.

I was set to ship it back to Amazon but it was Sunday (no UPS) and while waiting I decided to try to repair it.

I jumped a connection on the circuit board that was damaged and the PJ fired up showing 0 hours. Eventually I repaired the case and the damaged wires for the rear IR and purchased a new board for the damaged one from Sony Pro Parts.

I'm the type of guy that if I wanted to sell it I would want to tell all this crap to the buyer.

And also the kind of guy that enjoys knowing he brought something back to life that was on the skids.

I certainly don't feel like selling it now. I have applied the fix and verified that it works and if it's ok I'll pretend they did this just for me... (ha ha .. just kidding, .. kind of.)

-Brian
Yes, I remember that you got the 285 at a great price because of a return and you fixed it. Glad you are going to keep it and I do think you had influence on Sony to get the firmware upgrade out to fix the ATV issue. Thanks
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