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Having been watching this week the UHD version of Season 1 of Stranger Things. So much better then the streaming version of the show. Using the German curves really improves the dark scenes - in a big way. So glad I installed them. My question is whether there is a trick to using the curves on Netflix streaming or will they only work on physical discs. Thanks!
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Having been watching this week the UHD version of Season 1 of Stranger Things. So much better then the streaming version of the show. Using the German curves really improves the dark scenes - in a big way. So glad I installed them. My question is whether there is a trick to using the curves on Netflix streaming or will they only work on physical discs. Thanks!
There is no trick. They work the same way for any HDR source.
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I purchased a Panasonic PT-AE3000U new about nine years ago and need another new lamp. I can get another new Panasonic OEM lamp for $169, but am considering a Sony B-stock VW285 for approximately 12 times the OEM lamp cost.

Here is my setup:

1. 100" diagonal Stewart Luxus Model A Tab Tension with Firehawk G3 Screen Material.
2. I watch in a dedicated media room with blackout shades and no lights on.
3. I use the projector nearly daily (which is why a burn through lamps regularly) and watch an equal mix of sports and movies.
4. I do a little gaming through the projector with my teenage daughter, but gaming performance in relatively unimportant.
5. 3D content playback capability is a nice to have, not a need to have.
6. My projector is ceiling mounted, approximately 17' 6" from the screen.

I am interested in to know people's opinion regarding replacing the bulb one more time versus buying the B stock Sony? I have an AppleTV 4K, but am not certain if I will notice the increased resolution given my 100" screen size and 16' 6" foot viewing distance.
You are correct, now is the time to update Depending on the price of the B stock unit, that would dictate making the move.

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There is a big difference between your old Panasonic and the 285. The B stock unit seems like a good option and the cost of lamp replacement is quite low. It is a 4k unit and with the proper tweaks and with a 100" screen you should be fine in a dedicated media room even using the low lamp setting.
Yep, he would notice a nice jump in overall performance.
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There is no trick. They work the same way for any HDR source.

This. I use the German curves as the base for both my HDR settings. Cinema 1 for disc and streaming HDR, and Cinema 2 with the same settings, but with the red turned down for HLG DirecTV.
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You are correct, now is the time to update Depending on the price of the B stock unit, that would dictate making the move.

Yep, he would notice a nice jump in overall performance.
Where do we get B-stock units of the VPLVW285ES?
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Where do we get B-stock units of the VPLVW285ES?
It is against the rules to post where to buy projectors. I would suggest you read some of the posts by dealers and call them to see if they have B stock available.

If anyone is looking for a really low cost lamp for this projector or for the 385 I just found this link with free shipping from China. My friend got one and it looks like the original.


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3303...3da24c4d0o2n8Q

There are instructions on how to install in a few pages back on this thread. Very easy.
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This. I use the German curves as the base for both my HDR settings. Cinema 1 for disc and streaming HDR, and Cinema 2 with the same settings, but with the red turned down for HLG DirecTV.
Amazing using the German curves with HDR content with Stranger Things 3 over Apple TV 4K. Yesterday, I finally completed my overhaul of my home theatre audio system with the Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X. Replaced an entry level Paradigm sub that I have had since my first home theatre install in 2000. Just in time for a couple of weeks of summer vacation...and is too hot to go outside so I do not have to even feel the slightest guilt staying home. Good summer everyone!
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This. I use the German curves as the base for both my HDR settings. Cinema 1 for disc and streaming HDR, and Cinema 2 with the same settings, but with the red turned down for HLG DirecTV.
Amazing using the German curves with HDR content with Stranger Things 3 over Apple TV 4K. Yesterday, I finally completed my overhaul of my home theatre audio system with the Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X. Replaced an entry level Paradigm sub that I have had since my first home theatre install in 2000. Just in time for a couple of weeks of summer vacation...and is too hot to go outside so I do not have to even feel the slightest guilt staying home. Good summer everyone!
Yessiree. For some reason, the HDR didn’t lock in at first, but after a couple of minutes I rebooted my ATV and it was gorgeous!

I can also identify with the satisfaction of an upgrade before time off. Last year, I upgraded my Epson pixel-shifter to a Sony true 4K projector, added a 4K DirecTV box (the second day of World Cup), and added .2 Atmos in-ceiling two weeks before the first of two knee replacements. I needed full capacity for my recoveries.

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Could somebody recommend a good and affordable projector screen (106”) that will complement this projector? Thank you.
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Could somebody recommend a good and affordable projector screen (106”) that will complement this projector? Thank you.
I suggest the Silver Ticket screen through Amazon. Just rated the 'best' affordable screen (I have the 120" and love it).

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I finally bought 3-D glasses and have been enjoying watching Bluray 3D discs on the 285. Is the first modern 3d capability I have d in my home theatre (I sat out the brief craze). Have to say it does really well - like cinema quality well. Not sure why I waited a year from buying the projector to get glasses!
What glasses did you buy?

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Could somebody recommend a good and affordable projector screen (106”) that will complement this projector? Thank you.
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I suggest the Silver Ticket screen through Amazon. Just rated the 'best' affordable screen (I have the 120" and love it).
I have the 120” one as well and thing it is very good. And the price is great as well.
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What glasses did you buy?
I bought the Hi-Shock glasses.
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Question - if not using the German curves, should I put it in HDR or SDR?
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Question - if not using the German curves, should I put it in HDR or SDR?
SDR. And nobody should use the german curves, they're crap and I wish I never listened to the nonsense on that thread earlier. So much wasted time. Also, the tone mapping on the projector itself is bad for HDR content. You need either a Panny UHD player with mapping or a HTPC with madVR to make this projector look good. If you're really unsure about what I'm saying, watch a couple of scenes with shadow detail on a regular BD and then the UHD version with the german curves.
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SDR. And nobody should use the german curves, they're crap and I wish I never listened to the nonsense on that thread earlier. So much wasted time. Also, the tone mapping on the projector itself is bad for HDR content. You need either a Panny UHD player with mapping or a HTPC with madVR to make this projector look good. If you're really unsure about what I'm saying, watch a couple of scenes with shadow detail on a regular BD and then the UHD version with the german curves.
Thanks.

I think I made a mistake with this projector. Most of what I watch is 1080p and so far no matter what I do I cannot get an image that would be as good as my old 1080p JVC projector.
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I think I made a mistake with this projector. Most of what I watch is 1080p and so far no matter what I do I cannot get an image that would be as good as my old 1080p JVC projector.
10 months after my purchase I'm still uncertain about that projector. It was an absolute nightmare to properly calibrate it. I ended up buying a xrite i1display pro, building a HTPC and use madvr + 3dlut profiling to achieve a decent result. I expected more out of the box with 4k disks. Also, it lacks in black floor and lumen output. You actually need a fairly small screen and you have to live with the poor blacks. However, once you play a movie, it really looks fantastic despite all that. The shortcomings are highlighted more on test patterns than in real content.
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I have a 130" screen and looked great with German curves for HDR in low lamp so to each his own.

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This is exactly the kind of 'nonsense' I'm talking about. Don't take it as an insult because I used to think the same as you (because this thread mislead me).

What's your screen gain? I'm fairly certain that this projector on low lamp can't push more than 80 nits on a screen of that size with a gain of 1.0. Why calling that HDR at that point? It's even below what SDR is mastered at.

What's the point of having a projector that expensive and then not extract it's full potential to save the lamp? It just doesn't make sense. If lamp cost is an issue, at this point why not buying a cheaper projector?

I think many people were misled by these custom gamma curves and they just have no idea what they're missing on.
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No matter what I did it just does not look as good as my old JVC RS-56
Difference in resolution is barely noticeable and color wise JVC still beats it
I think I will hang up my JVC again. Glad I have not sold it.
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No matter what I did it just does not look as good as my old JVC RS-56
Difference in resolution is barely noticeable and color wise JVC still beats it
I think I will hang up my JVC again. Glad I have not sold it.
If you already have a good 1080p projector another option would be to build a 4k HTPC, rip 4k HDR movies and output them at 1080p. Might sound kinda weird but 4k at 4:2:0 subsampling is almost the same as 2k at 4:4:4 (no subsampling).

If I already had a great 1080p unit with a good lens I would do this : build a 4k htpc, output at 1080p24 rgb full (0-255 as your projector accepts it) and watch downscaled 4k movies. I'd also buy a i1display pro and make a 3dlut profile for that specific content. If the lamp is getting dim, I'd replace it. That would already yield excellent results and the 4k htpc would be there for the next projector upgrade.
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This is exactly the kind of 'nonsense' I'm talking about. Don't take it as an insult because I used to think the same as you (because this thread mislead me).

What's your screen gain? I'm fairly certain that this projector on low lamp can't push more than 80 nits on a screen of that size with a gain of 1.0. Why calling that HDR at that point? It's even below what SDR is mastered at.

What's the point of having a projector that expensive and then not extract it's full potential to save the lamp? It just doesn't make sense. If lamp cost is an issue, at this point why not buying a cheaper projector?

I think many people were misled by these custom gamma curves and they just have no idea what they're missing on.

I am using the custom gamma curves, can you elaborate on what settings do you recommend for HDR?
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I am using the custom gamma curves, can you elaborate on what settings do you recommend for HDR?
-HDR off on the projector. Set the contrast and brightness with test patterns (black bars for brightness and white bars for contrast). BTW if you're going with no calibration tool, this is when you should adjust RGB bias and gain with you see a visible color push on those test patterns.

-Tone mapping via a Panasonic UB820 or 9000 (you're going to have to play with the HDR optimizer sliders, output at BT2020 and SDR and chose the appropriate display setting)

-Option 2: build HTPC with a UHD friendly and reflashed BD drive, makemkv and madvr. If you go that route, you should also buy a i1display pro at the same time. Then, download HCFR and do a precalibration of DCI-P3 points within a BT2020 container. Then use displaycal to make a 3dlut profile for that said color space.
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I bought the Hi-Shock glasses.
Is this the one? https://www.amazon.com/Hi-SHOCK-DLP-.../dp/B013QD283O

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Yes - just last year’s version of the glasses.
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Yes - just last year’s version of the glasses.
Interesting - the way the description is of them I would never think they'd work with the Sony 285

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I'm gonna have the 285es in my home this Saturday as my first projector. I've been going back and forth on screen size and aspect ratio. My room is about 20' x 15' with 10' ceilings, however the ceiling at screen wall slopes down to just below 8' (about 94.5 inches). I have two rows of seating, 2nd row is on a 11" riser (first row viewing distance is about 12'-13'). My projector will be mounted roughly about 16-17' from screen.

I had decided i wanted a 2.35:1 screen (and the fact that I'm more height restricted than width restricted on that wall was apart of that). So I have my eyes set on a 158" silver ticket 2.35:1 screen. My question though is with that size screen would I be able to fit a 2.35:1 image from that distance. And would HDR suffer because of it? Wondering if anyone has real-word experience with it around roughly same size screen and distance.

Also since it doesn't have lens memory, how time-consuming is it really to manually adjust back to a 16:9 image.

If i can't go that route I'd probably settle for 135" 16:9 screen from silver ticket.
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I'm gonna have the 285es in my home this Saturday as my first projector. I've been going back and forth on screen size and aspect ratio. My room is about 20' x 15' with 10' ceilings, however the ceiling at screen wall slopes down to just below 8' (about 94.5 inches). I have two rows of seating, 2nd row is on a 11" riser (first row viewing distance is about 12'-13'). My projector will be mounted roughly about 16-17' from screen.

I had decided i wanted a 2.35:1 screen (and the fact that I'm more height restricted than width restricted on that wall was apart of that). So I have my eyes set on a 158" silver ticket 2.35:1 screen. My question though is with that size screen would I be able to fit a 2.35:1 image from that distance. And would HDR suffer because of it? Wondering if anyone has real-word experience with it around roughly same size screen and distance.

Also since it doesn't have lens memory, how time-consuming is it really to manually adjust back to a 16:9 image.

If i can't go that route I'd probably settle for 135" 16:9 screen from silver ticket.
Use this calculator.

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Son...ulator-pro.htm
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Yeah, I actually forgot to mention I have already used that calculator. From what it told me I should be able to fit the image in my scenario. But I was interested if others had real-world experience with this projector within a similar environment and similar screen size.
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I'm gonna have the 285es in my home this Saturday as my first projector. I've been going back and forth on screen size and aspect ratio. My room is about 20' x 15' with 10' ceilings, however the ceiling at screen wall slopes down to just below 8' (about 94.5 inches). I have two rows of seating, 2nd row is on a 11" riser (first row viewing distance is about 12'-13'). My projector will be mounted roughly about 16-17' from screen.

I had decided i wanted a 2.35:1 screen (and the fact that I'm more height restricted than width restricted on that wall was apart of that). So I have my eyes set on a 158" silver ticket 2.35:1 screen. My question though is with that size screen would I be able to fit a 2.35:1 image from that distance. And would HDR suffer because of it? Wondering if anyone has real-word experience with it around roughly same size screen and distance.

Also since it doesn't have lens memory, how time-consuming is it really to manually adjust back to a 16:9 image.

If i can't go that route I'd probably settle for 135" 16:9 screen from silver ticket.
158" diagonal 2.35 needs 17'-7" of throw.
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