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post #2761 of 3778 Old 07-06-2018, 07:36 PM
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So I don't really feel much surer about which to buy at this point. Here is my summary.



1) Based on RRP there is around $1600 difference in price. JVC is cheaper.

2) The JVC has no banding and better blacks
3) Given I am gaming on console only, the importance of native 4K isn't as significant?

4) The picture of the JVC seemed pretty much as good as the Sony.

5) Gaming lag is about equal on both, low.

6) Either purchase is a stepping stone till a 4K projector comes out that can handle 4K 60FPS HDR without Banding.

7) The Sony has Native 3D (I think using the same glasses I own for my HW50ES but the JVC needs a 3d Emitter (do I need specific glasses)?

8) The Sony has the better upscaler, but both will be significantly better than my HW50ES, so it's more or less a wash on this fact?
9) There is a small chance I could pickup the Sony for about the same price with a special discount I may have access to.



I have a couple of questions.



Based on this, is there a significant reason to purchase Sony over the JVC?



Does anyone know the bulb model numbers and expected life of a bulb?
One thing I don't think you mentioned is that fact that there is an buzz that is audible from the JVC due to the e-shift. I own a JVC and while the picture is great if you feed it a 4k source then e-shift is always enabled and the buzz is present. This may not be an issue for you if you have a louder room but if you have a dedicated, sound proofed room it will not be tolerable to a lot of people during quiet movie scenes. For gaming and sports its fine.

I am waiting until CEDIA to see if JVC comes out with a true 4k, non e-shift model.

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One thing I don't think you mentioned is that fact that there is an buzz that is audible from the JVC due to the e-shift. I own a JVC and while the picture is great if you feed it a 4k source then e-shift is always enabled and the buzz is present. This may not be an issue for you if you have a louder room but if you have a dedicated, sound proofed room it will not be tolerable to a lot of people during quiet movie scenes. For gaming and sports its fine.

I am waiting until CEDIA to see if JVC comes out with a true 4k, non e-shift model.
Some of the units buzz more than others. My RS500 was loud. My RS640 you cant even hear it to the point that Id say 8 feet away from it there is zero buzz. I also disagree that for gaming and sports it's fine. The buzz is irritating if you can hear it and it won't matter what content is playing. I currently run my RS640 in pure 1080p. For movies, I can't really see much difference anyway.

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Ok well I found this video.
The difference isn't MASSIVE, it is it present.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BSszwQiqlw
This video is not at all how SDR games look. Both of them look just like the picture on the right. The videos in this youtube the left side has an obvious levels mismatch and is super washed out. That is not how SDR games look.

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Hey guys, I’m a new 285 owner. Just mounted it last night. I have a oppo 203. any suggestions on settings? Thanks!!
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Hey guys, I’m a new 285 owner. Just mounted it last night. I have a oppo 203. any suggestions on settings? Thanks!!
Congrats on the 285!

I don't have an Oppo but I do have a 385.

For HDR try, start with Reference or User mode, set Reality Creation (RC) at 30 - 40, brightness at 50, color at 58 - 60, high lamp, contrast enhancer at medium or high depending on preference. Adjust brightness depending on contrast enhancer settings to where detail in dark dark scenes is not lost. Set HDR Contrast at max or close to max depending on overall appearance of HDR movie. Some are darker than others. Play something like GOTG Volume 2, or Blade Runner 2049 in the Oppo to really see good examples of HDR.

To really get the best, get yourself a good HDR calibration disc and setup your projector properly. Then tweak to personal preference. There are also a custom set of Gamma curves commonly referred to as the "German Gamma Curves" in this thread. If you search you will get information as to how to install and how to use them properly. But I didn't think they made as big a difference as most people claim. You can get close by just messing with the settings on your projector.

For SDR, most of the time you will be coming from a 1080p source. So again start with reference mode if HDR is using User mode, then set RC to 40 - 50, use low lamp depending on your screen size and environment, set gradient smoothing in the expert settings to high, set contrast enhancer to medium, set brightness at 50, set color at 55 - 58, adjust contrast with a good calibration disc to get the proper white level, set sharpness at 10 - 13.

Those can get you started. Reference mode looks pretty good right out of the box.

A good calibration disc is the R. Masciola UHD/HDR-10 Test Pattern Suite disc. It is reasonably priced, available in disc form or as a download.
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Need help !! New 285es owner

Could someone direct me to where I can find picture settings for TV watching (Comcast) and 4k settings (Netflix etc). Down the road I plan on having projector calibrated. Thanks for any help.
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Congrats on the 285!

There are also a custom set of Gamma curves commonly referred to as the "German Gamma Curves" in this thread. If you search you will get information as to how to install and how to use them properly. But I didn't think they made as big a difference as most people claim. You can get close by just messing with the settings on your projector.
I agree with this and use very similar settings in one of my presets but find that I need the lamp on high in order to match (or get a close to matching) the German curves on low.

I would prefer to have to not use the German curves as it forces me to switch back to REF for non HDR sources. Annoying when using Netflix or my Plex server browsing titles.
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Could someone direct me to where I can find picture settings for TV watching (Comcast) and 4k settings (Netflix etc). Down the road I plan on having projector calibrated. Thanks for any help.

I don't feel the need to switch at all between 1080 (TV) and native 4K sources. I just use Reference for both. SDR vs HDR is huge and you will need to adjust HDR no matter what solution you use.
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I don't feel the need to switch at all between 1080 (TV) and native 4K sources. I just use Reference for both. SDR vs HDR is huge and you will need to adjust HDR no matter what solution you use.
Thanks for your reply. When watching Netflix 4k sometimes get a grainy picture during dark scenes. Is there a setting to minimize this?
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Ok well I found this video.
The difference isn't MASSIVE, it is it present.

Im not really with markmon. I do think that HDR makes a difference for games. However, not for highlights, but mostly because the color range is expanded, this gives the image a lot more depth.

However, it's not something you will actively notice while playing or watching a movie. It's a very subtle effect that only really feels there when you switch between both.

However, I do think you need a laser projector to make the most use of it. Running any lamp at the max brightness that's needed is just going to wear it down.

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One thing that hadn't occured to me is whether my 106" screen from 2009 is suitable for this OR the JVC x590

http://www.amber.co.nz/integrated-so...c/1/motorized/

I probably don't have the budget to replace both right now, so if this is ok, then I'd likely to consider a replacement screen at a later date, maybe 3-6 months away.

Without going crazy and ideally sticking with a similar size and motorized does anyone have a recommendation on a replacement?
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Thanks for your reply. When watching Netflix 4k sometimes get a grainy picture during dark scenes. Is there a setting to minimize this?
Are those 4K movies HDR? If you have one of the Sony 285 you need to make sure the refresh rate is set to 24hz instead of 60hz or you will get banding. This can be set easily from whatever you are using to display your media (AppleTV/Sheild/Roku etc). You need to either set it to match the movie refresh rate or forced to 24hz.

If its not an HDR movie/show that you can fix with the settings above then could be a poor source movie or maybe your network cant handle a 4K stream?
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I would go with the first, darker shade.







Or preferably even a little darker.



But as we all know, she who knows best will likely overrule if it doesn't go with the nail polish or something....



You have a decent black border to the screen too, which helps.


So. Here is the finished product. 2.35:1 screen, pool table installed, black wall. The wall made a huge improvement in the presentation of movies as well as eliminating the “glow” that was bothering me from the black bars.



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So. Here is the finished product. 2.35:1 screen, pool table installed, black wall. The wall made a huge improvement in the presentation of movies as well as eliminating the “glow” that was bothering me from the black bars.




The pool table is in front of the theater seats?


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So. Here is the finished product. 2.35:1 screen, pool table installed, black wall. The wall made a huge improvement in the presentation of movies as well as eliminating the “glow” that was bothering me from the black bars.
Now you just need to paint the rest of it black including the ceiling..... Probably not I am guessing. I know I can not do an all black room.
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Hey guys, I’m a new 285 owner. Just mounted it last night. I have a oppo 203. any suggestions on settings? Thanks!!
Set the HDMI ports to 'Enhanced Format', leave Dynamic Range on 'Auto' and set everything (display wise) on the Oppo to 'AUTO' unless you want the projector to do the lions share of the picture processing, in which case be sure to use 'Source Direct'.

The Oppo also has a setting for 3D (if you will be watching any 3D) that lets you specify your screen size to make the 3D more effective.

Then choose a picture preset on the projector that pleases your eye and tweak away. Be sure to write down any settings you change as it makes things easier as time goes on.
Also if it all goes weird, just reset the chosen preset and you can start again!

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So. Here is the finished product. 2.35:1 screen, pool table installed, black wall. The wall made a huge improvement in the presentation of movies as well as eliminating the “glow” that was bothering me from the black bars.
Yeah, that is what I was on about!

My better half drew the line at a black wall and part of the side walls. (We are lucky in that the screen is in a sort of alcove anyway).
Even though I want more, it won't happen and the improvement with just what I have done is enough.

The rest of the room is a dark, flat matt, 'plum' shade so it wasn't tremendously bad in the first place. But I have been told that the ceiling is staying white. It is fine by me as it makes the room more useable when the blinds etc are open or the lights are on.

Oh, I would either paint that switch the same black, or get a different switch!
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Now you just need to paint the rest of it black including the ceiling..... Probably not I am guessing. I know I can not do an all black room.


Yeah, that is not happening. Lol. I did this wall when my wife was out of town. I am putting a neon beer sign in there along with the pool table hoping that will get her attention more than the wall.

The pool table is for my kids and I to play with. Gives me a chance to talk with my son (14) more. Gets him off the video games a bit. He has already invited the local kids over to play when they get back. Fine by me.

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Now you just need to paint the rest of it black including the ceiling..... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] Probably not I am guessing. I know I can not do an all black room.


Yeah, that is not happening. Lol.
My wife is the best. She painted my theater room over two weekends while I worked. Very dark gray front wall & ceiling, medium gray on the other walls.

Wouldn’t trade her for a true 4K laser projector and new screen!
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My wife is the best. She painted my theater room over two weekends while I worked. Very dark gray front wall & ceiling, medium gray on the other walls.

Wouldn’t trade her for a true 4K laser projector and new screen!


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Wouldn’t trade her for a true 4K laser projector and new screen!
I don't know, but it sounds like she might be willing to trade you for a true 4k laser projector and new screen.
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Wouldn’t trade her for a true 4K laser projector and new screen!
I don't know, but it sounds like she might be willing to trade you for a true 4k laser projector and new screen. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Trust me, whenever I upgrade, my dealer cozies up to her to get her to approve it. If he said it was a good trade, she would in a second.
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Thank y’all for all the help with settings!! I love this projector. Anybody with a oppo 203. Should I leave HDR on Auto in the oppo or use HDR off (bt. 2020) and select one of the target luminance settings? Any suggestions will be much a appreciated.
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Thank y’all for all the help with settings!! I love this projector. Anybody with a oppo 203. Should I leave HDR on Auto in the oppo or use HDR off (bt. 2020) and select one of the target luminance settings? Any suggestions will be much a appreciated.
If you have a german custom curve, I would leave hdr on auto.

If not, I would use HDR off bt2020, mode 2 250 nits (adjust to your liking)

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Wouldn’t trade her for a true 4K laser projector and new screen!
Can't be, cos my wife is!
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Does anyone know if the battery powered glasses from the HW50ES are compatible with the 285?
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No they are not. The HW50ES used IR 3D glasses.
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I am trying to load the german gamma curves. have ImageDirector (ver 3.10) connected to projector, but the Gamma table selection is greyed out. cant select anything in there. any ideas?

never mind. looks like i had to set HDR to "off" (and/or gamma correction to something other than "off") to enable the menu. all good. btw, should i also load the SDR german gamma or best to leave it as is? I dont want to end up having to select diff gamma's everytime i watch something.

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I am trying to load the german gamma curves. have ImageDirector (ver 3.10) connected to projector, but the Gamma table selection is greyed out. cant select anything in there. any ideas?

never mind. looks like i had to set HDR to "off" (and/or gamma correction to something other than "off") to enable the menu. all good. btw, should i also load the SDR german gamma or best to leave it as is? I dont want to end up having to select diff gamma's everytime i watch something.
I would suggest just using the German HDR curves for HDR (to taste) and leave SDR alone as there is nothing really wanting with SDR presentation on these machines.

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Hey, anyone has upgraded from HW65ES to VW285es in this thread? I'm considering an upgrade and flickering issue is only pushing my further with my decision. But I have seen some 4K demos, in a bright showroom, TBH, and that didn't convince me to spend 3K for an upgrade, saying that, I'm aware that some showrooms are ****e for demoing projectors. Apart from flickering thing, 65ES is a brilliant and quiet projector and lots of 1080p movies (bluray source) are looking amazing, my OLED 55" TV doesn't produce that good of a 1080p image.

Is 285es as quiet as 65es? Do you see a big difference in quality after upgrading? I have only a handful of 4K disks, yet any new I'd buy will be in 4K.

4K JVC DLA-X7900BE (RS540); 7.1 Audio: Atmos, DTS-HD, True-HD, Screen: Black Widow Dulux DS1 (on the wall); TV: 4K LG 55'
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