Originally Posted by rprice54
The curves are simple enough to upload. I would really appreciate it someone could upload JAVS 1200 curve as is, and zero out the PJ settings and then compare to the Oppo settings.
I’ve seen someone say Manni’s new curves (and by inference JAVS curves are very close) are close to the Oppo settings, I’ve seen some say ‘way’ better but not specific about what they were comparing.
Or should I spend the same money as what the Oppo would be on a calibration?
Yeah one of the biggest plus points on the Oppo people are saying is the shadow detail. Kris Deering reported Manni's new curves were the closest he's seen to what the Oppo, Lumagen, and his reference OLED were doing in the shadow detail area. Which is naturally why I immediately downloaded Manni's new curves and plot them against mine to see what kind of magic was being done on the bottom end of the new curves, completely open to the idea of actually using them too. I was quite surprised to see that in the case of the 4000nit curve anyway (the 1100nit curve was also so close you wouldn't even see the difference either) they were literally identical
to mine all the way up to where the highlight rolloff begins well past the 'shadow detail' portion of the curve.
So, given even my V1 curves were the same in the shadow detail area as my current V2 curves, I can pretty safely say anybody who has been using my curves in the past month or two, has already likely been looking at excellent shadow detail supposiung you all have about the same 100nit peak light level, if you are far lower, I reccomend checking out Manni's curves for lower light outputs he posted, I havent looked at those but I am sure they will suit those with less than optimal light levels. If we can trust what Kris Deering says about the shadow detail performance (the number 1 thing he has always taken issue with using curves), then I am not sure how much the Oppo is going to actually add besides being able to dynamically map the highlights depending on content vs using a couple well made curves. Then again, there are many people talking about having to tweak on title by title basis... that seems a bit more of a process than simply flipping between 1 of 2 curves. If you have the Vertex, this is all super easy if you follow Manni's guide to set it up for Autoswitching.
Personally I have not had a problem with this myself, in actual fact, my curves came about because I had issues with shadow detail on half the titles early on, and sought to make a couple curves that all but fixed the issue, and I haven't felt the need to tweak since then, perhaps only on spectacularly dim titles do we still have issues. But the Revenant keeps being mentioned, and that's one film that looks like reference viewing for me already, and certainly not missing shadow detail. Also Blade Runner 2049, that film barely and I mean BARELY passes 100 nits, the brightest pixel in the entire film is 183 nits, and the brightest screen average is only 73 nits, and that looked excellent on my system with my 1200nit curve clipping to 0 nits black (Bar 64).