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I'm on a ALR (Black Diamond 1.4) 133" diagonal Scope.....300 or above is definitely needed to avoid the white clipping for sure. Mode 3 seems to give the best results; other modes require higher target luminescence to avoid clipping whites. I don't have Prometheus, but if you have Spiderman: Homecoming/Logan/Sicario I can point you to some good test scenes.
Here is the scene from Sicario that I have used to play with the Oppo settings. Each picture shows the different modes at the same target luminescence of 300nits. The last pic with me blocking the Mode menu is Mode 4. As you can see, Mode 3 has the least clipping, followed by Mode 4. At 150nits, everything is washed out.
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I received my 540 today and am having problems getting a signal to it. Just how sensitive is this to the HDMI cables? I have two 30' Monoprice cables in place that I ran when the house was built about 4 years ago. Based on the appearance of the cables they appear to be these: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12735 but since it's been so long since I've gotten them it's hard to say whether or not Monoprice is using the same design on a new cable that is rated for 18Gbps. The model number from my order is different so there's that.

The thing is I'm not getting a signal at all, not even 1080p. My receiver is not quite up to par to pass 4k properly, but there's no reason it can't send a 1080p signal, and this all worked fine with my Epson 5030. I plugged my Oppo directly into it using the cable it came with and I got a 4k connection so I know at least one of the inputs works. I tried both the cables I have in both the Oppo and my Denon receiver and the projector says no signal on both cables. I even removed the wallplate I had in there just to be certain that wasn't an issue.

Could there be something else I'm doing wrong?
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I received my 540 today and am having problems getting a signal to it. Just how sensitive is this to the HDMI cables? I have two 30' Monoprice cables in place that I ran when the house was built about 4 years ago. Based on the appearance of the cables they appear to be these: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12735 but since it's been so long since I've gotten them it's hard to say whether or not Monoprice is using the same design on a new cable that is rated for 18Gbps. The model number from my order is different so there's that.

The thing is I'm not getting a signal at all, not even 1080p. My receiver is not quite up to par to pass 4k properly, but there's no reason it can't send a 1080p signal, and this all worked fine with my Epson 5030. I plugged my Oppo directly into it using the cable it came with and I got a 4k connection so I know at least one of the inputs works. I tried both the cables I have in both the Oppo and my Denon receiver and the projector says no signal on both cables. I even removed the wallplate I had in there just to be certain that wasn't an issue.

Could there be something else I'm doing wrong?
Projector is not sensitive at all. The problem is those cable. They will not pass 18Gbps. I would say the reason you can't get 1080P to work is E-shift is on and upconverting to 4K. You will need to replace the cables. You also will have to get rid of the wall plate connection.
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Projector is not sensitive at all. The problem is those cable. They will not pass 18Gbps. I would say the reason you can't get 1080P to work is E-shift is on and upconverting to 4K. You will need to replace the cables. You also will have to get rid of the wall plate connection.
OK, I ordered a Ruipro cable off Amazon that should work, based on this: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/168-hd...hdmi-2-0b.html

I'll have that tomorrow. I turned off e-shift, then went through the Denon's menu and turned off upscaling and now I have an image coming from it. I was then able to reconfigure it to set the video output to 1080p. So I can see the XBox One through it. So was the Denon in auto upscaling mode and attempting to pass 4k to the projector? I'm guessing that's what was happening as I was able to turn e-shift back on and still see the image.

My assumption is that my Denon 5200 doesn't properly support HDCP 2.2 and as such won't properly pass 4K content from my Shield or Oppo. So I'm going to use it for audio from the Oppo and video from other 1080p sources. Then I'll pass the Nvidia Shield video through the Oppo directly to the projector. Eventually I'll replace the Denon but I'm waiting a bit to do that.
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Sorry for jumping in like this but there's a huge amount of pages I haven't read.

But does anyone actually own the JVC 20LTD? Does it actually contain some improvements? Any thoughts? Is it really just a cash in?

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OK, I ordered a Ruipro cable off Amazon that should work, based on this: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/168-hd...hdmi-2-0b.html

I'll have that tomorrow. I turned off e-shift, then went through the Denon's menu and turned off upscaling and now I have an image coming from it. I was then able to reconfigure it to set the video output to 1080p. So I can see the XBox One through it. So was the Denon in auto upscaling mode and attempting to pass 4k to the projector? I'm guessing that's what was happening as I was able to turn e-shift back on and still see the image.

My assumption is that my Denon 5200 doesn't properly support HDCP 2.2 and as such won't properly pass 4K content from my Shield or Oppo. So I'm going to use it for audio from the Oppo and video from other 1080p sources. Then I'll pass the Nvidia Shield video through the Oppo directly to the projector. Eventually I'll replace the Denon but I'm waiting a bit to do that.
Before you route your cables thru walls and such check them out to be sure you have no further issues.......
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Before you route your cables thru walls and such check them out to be sure you have no further issues.......
Oh I most definitely will. Fortunately my setup makes that pretty easy.
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OK, I ordered a Ruipro cable off Amazon that should work, based on this: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/168-hd...hdmi-2-0b.html

I'll have that tomorrow. I turned off e-shift, then went through the Denon's menu and turned off upscaling and now I have an image coming from it. I was then able to reconfigure it to set the video output to 1080p. So I can see the XBox One through it. So was the Denon in auto upscaling mode and attempting to pass 4k to the projector? I'm guessing that's what was happening as I was able to turn e-shift back on and still see the image.

My assumption is that my Denon 5200 doesn't properly support HDCP 2.2 and as such won't properly pass 4K content from my Shield or Oppo. So I'm going to use it for audio from the Oppo and video from other 1080p sources. Then I'll pass the Nvidia Shield video through the Oppo directly to the projector. Eventually I'll replace the Denon but I'm waiting a bit to do that.
A denon 5200 does not have HDCP 2.2. So the Denon can't pass copy protected 4k content (4K Blu Ray). Your cables probably max out at 10.2 Gbps. So for you to be able to play 4K Blu Ray, you will need to connect the Oppo directly to the projector using the fiber optic cable. Then run a second cable from the Oppo to the AVR for audio. For any other sources, you can either run them to the AVR and use the existing HDMI cables for 1080p sources. Or if you have one other source, you can connect to the Oppo HDMI input. That way you can use the Oppo processing.
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Sorry for jumping in like this but there's a huge amount of pages I haven't read.

But does anyone actually own the JVC 20LTD? Does it actually contain some improvements? Any thoughts? Is it really just a cash in?
Not released yet, here in the US. Only three coming to the US and dealers should receive them end of this month. Definitely an improvement, since they will have 200,000:1 native contrast.
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What is the retail price of the 20ltd? Or even relative cost (eg twice what a 640 is)? I phoned JVC in Australia trying to find a local dealer of projectors, and they mentioned they had one, trying to sell it I guess. I tried googling but no luck.

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What is the retail price of the 20ltd? Or even relative cost (eg twice what a 640 is)? I phoned JVC in Australia trying to find a local dealer of projectors, and they mentioned they had one, trying to sell it I guess.
MSRP here in the US is $9,995.
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what is the retail price of the 20ltd? Or even relative cost (eg twice what a 640 is)? I phoned jvc in australia trying to find a local dealer of projectors, and they mentioned they had one, trying to sell it i guess. I tried googling but no luck.
$14,000 aud.
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What is the retail price of the 20ltd? Or even relative cost (eg twice what a 640 is)? I phoned JVC in Australia trying to find a local dealer of projectors, and they mentioned they had one, trying to sell it I guess. I tried googling but no luck.
I was going to buy one lucky I did not, instead I would go for a 9500 with a golden lens.

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I was going to buy one lucky I did not, instead I would go for a 9500 with a golden lens.
Do you mean golden as in the dealer installed version, the reference line? Or just one that doesn't have the current generations lens issues?
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Do you mean golden as in the dealer installed version, the reference line? Or just one that doesn't have the current generations lens issues?
I mean one with a perfect lens.

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Is there any way that the projector don't jump to projectors own HDR "Picture Mode" when you look at a HDR movie? I use Javs curves and it's a lot of changing "Picture mode".

When it comes to 18Gbps cables I can really recommend Fibbr Ultra Pro HDMI 2.0 AOC. I have used it for three moths and it have worked flawlessly.
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Is there any way that the projector don't jump to projectors own HDR "Picture Mode" when you look at a HDR movie? I use Javs curves and it's a lot of changing "Picture mode".

When it comes to 18Gbps cables I can really recommend Fibbr Ultra Pro HDMI 2.0 AOC. I have used it for three moths and it have worked flawlessly.
You can actually select my gamma curves using that picture mode and the JVC will remember it.
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You can actually select my gamma curves using that picture mode and the JVC will remember it.
Ok, that's good idea but then you have to decide which one off 1200 or 4000 that you want as the default. I will properly go for the 1200.
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Are there folks using their JVC to do HDR gaming with ps4? I was trying to help my son get one of his games working in HDR on the JVC (he typically uses our 1080p LCD instead) but what we're seeing is that most of the image turns a hot pink, which obviously isn't so great. The particular game is Horizon Zero Dawn, which is HDR-enabled. He has a first-gen ps4.

I checked what the projector is reporting and the info screen says:

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The projector does switch to HDR mode where I'm using BT.2020, HDR, etc. Not quite sure what's going wrong...
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Are there folks using their JVC to do HDR gaming with ps4? I was trying to help my son get one of his games working in HDR on the JVC (he typically uses our 1080p LCD instead) but what we're seeing is that most of the image turns a hot pink, which obviously isn't so great. The particular game is Horizon Zero Dawn, which is HDR-enabled. He has a first-gen ps4.

I checked what the projector is reporting and the info screen says:

1080p60
12-bit
BT.2020
ST.2084

The projector does switch to HDR mode where I'm using BT.2020, HDR, etc. Not quite sure what's going wrong...
I do quite a lot and is all fine, I've seen this once it was an issue with the source (PC) I can't remember what the solution was but will try to think hard
Ahh actually it could be the AVR try to reset it and see what happens or use another HDMI input. If no luck hook up the PS directly to the PJ with a short cable and see what happens.

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Are there folks using their JVC to do HDR gaming with ps4? I was trying to help my son get one of his games working in HDR on the JVC (he typically uses our 1080p LCD instead) but what we're seeing is that most of the image turns a hot pink, which obviously isn't so great. The particular game is Horizon Zero Dawn, which is HDR-enabled. He has a first-gen ps4.

I checked what the projector is reporting and the info screen says:

1080p60
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BT.2020
ST.2084

The projector does switch to HDR mode where I'm using BT.2020, HDR, etc. Not quite sure what's going wrong...
Exact same issue with COD WWII, running PS4 through Marantz SR7010 to JVC RS420. The JVC auto detects HDR but then everything turns purple, even after closing the game, until I set HDR off on the PS4. After a bunch of Google searches, I think it might be my cable from PS4 to receiver which is an older one. Going to replace with a premium certified cable and test, hopefully next week.

But I still don't understand the concept of 1080P HDR. I thought HDR was part of the 4K/UHD standard, no idea it can be layered on top of a 1080P signal.
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Exact same issue with COD WWII, running PS4 through Marantz SR7010 to JVC RS420. The JVC auto detects HDR but then everything turns purple, even after closing the game, until I set HDR off on the PS4. After a bunch of Google searches, I think it might be my cable from PS4 to receiver which is an older one. Going to replace with a premium certified cable and test, hopefully next week.

But I still don't understand the concept of 1080P HDR. I thought HDR was part of the 4K/UHD standard, no idea it can be layered on top of a 1080P signal.
HDR is independent of resolution, Sony just came out with 1080p HDR TVs.

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Exact same issue with COD WWII, running PS4 through Marantz SR7010 to JVC RS420. The JVC auto detects HDR but then everything turns purple, even after closing the game, until I set HDR off on the PS4. After a bunch of Google searches, I think it might be my cable from PS4 to receiver which is an older one. Going to replace with a premium certified cable and test, hopefully next week.

But I still don't understand the concept of 1080P HDR. I thought HDR was part of the 4K/UHD standard, no idea it can be layered on top of a 1080P signal.
I’ll be very interested to hear if you have better luck. Swapped cables (certified), tried another HDMI input on the Denon, turned video processing on and off, etc but no change. I haven’t tried a cable direct to the projector yet as I’ll have to pull the ps4 out of the rack first...
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Are there folks using their JVC to do HDR gaming with ps4? I was trying to help my son get one of his games working in HDR on the JVC (he typically uses our 1080p LCD instead) but what we're seeing is that most of the image turns a hot pink, which obviously isn't so great. The particular game is Horizon Zero Dawn, which is HDR-enabled. He has a first-gen ps4.

I checked what the projector is reporting and the info screen says:

1080p60
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The projector does switch to HDR mode where I'm using BT.2020, HDR, etc. Not quite sure what's going wrong...
I've had that a couple times with my AVR. Had to power cycle the avr and htpc.

Try cycling the RGB / ycbcr option, it's related to that.

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OK, I ordered a Ruipro cable off Amazon that should work, based on this: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/168-hd...hdmi-2-0b.html

I'll have that tomorrow. I turned off e-shift, then went through the Denon's menu and turned off upscaling and now I have an image coming from it. I was then able to reconfigure it to set the video output to 1080p. So I can see the XBox One through it. So was the Denon in auto upscaling mode and attempting to pass 4k to the projector? I'm guessing that's what was happening as I was able to turn e-shift back on and still see the image.

My assumption is that my Denon 5200 doesn't properly support HDCP 2.2 and as such won't properly pass 4K content from my Shield or Oppo. So I'm going to use it for audio from the Oppo and video from other 1080p sources. Then I'll pass the Nvidia Shield video through the Oppo directly to the projector. Eventually I'll replace the Denon but I'm waiting a bit to do that.
I got the cable and all is well. It shows that I'm getting HDR from the Shield through the Oppo as I hoped. 1080p sources are working through my receiver as I hoped.

I'm using THX for SDR and out of the box it looks pretty damn good to me. I've looked at a few test images and color, tint, contrast and brightness seems spot on. Black is much better than my Epson 5030. It's also noticeably quieter. I may try calibrating SDR tomorrow just for fun, even though it's too early for the bulb, I'm just curious how it is though. I can see I have a lot to learn about HDR though.
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I've had that a couple times with my AVR. Had to power cycle the avr and htpc.

Try cycling the RGB / ycbcr option, it's related to that.
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Still a bit stumped. I went as far as to pull the ps4 (orig not pro) from the rack and install it directly connected to HDMI 2 on the RS540 with an 8 ft certified premium cable from monoprice. I still get the hot pink screen.

Could this be related to the original ps4 only supporting HDMI 1.4? I'm trying to do 1080p w/HDR.
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Oh I most definitely will. Fortunately my setup makes that pretty easy.
Glad it's easy, nothing worse then having to tear our drywall to fish a wire/cable.....
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Javs,

Still a bit stumped. I went as far as to pull the ps4 (orig not pro) from the rack and install it directly connected to HDMI 2 on the RS540 with an 8 ft certified premium cable from monoprice. I still get the hot pink screen.

Could this be related to the original ps4 only supporting HDMI 1.4? I'm trying to do 1080p w/HDR.
I am still waiting on my cable to try, but I also read that the PS4 while officially having an HDMI 1.4 output was internally configured to support 2.0 with a firmware update. It looks like firmware version 4.0 and above is required, and we are already at 5.0. So looks like it is simply not supported.
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I am still waiting on my cable to try, but I also read that the PS4 while officially having an HDMI 1.4 output was internally configured to support 2.0 with a firmware update. It looks like firmware version 4.0 and above is required, and we are already at 5.0. So looks like it is simply not supported.
My best guess at the moment is that for HDR to work on the projector, it needs to see YCbCr while the orig, non-Pro PS4 can only send RGB.
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My best guess at the moment is that for HDR to work on the projector, it needs to see YCbCr while the orig, non-Pro PS4 can only send RGB.
The bigger question is why is the option even enabled? If someone is not savvy enough to figure out that they have to switch off HDR on the PS4, I have no idea how they will ever get over the issue since the projector will automatically switch to HDR when the game is launched. Are there not enough people who use JVC projectors with an older PS4 and play one of the newer games like COD WWII? Surely we can't be the only two people who encounter this situation?
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