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Checking my setup to make sure I have everything working correctly. I'm using an Xbox One S (with current insider pre-release) as the player and whenever I'm playing a UHD HDR disc, I see the projector showing:

Source: 4K(3840)24
Color space: RGB 10-bit
Colorimetry: BT.2020
HDR: ST.2084

I know there was previously a problem with the color conversion on the Xbox but from what I understand it's fixed. I had expected color space to be YCbCr, but after reading a bit it sounds like it's perfectly within the spec for the source to convert all the way to RGB (as long as they do the conversion properly) and as BT.2020/ST.2084 are showing, there's nothing here that indicates there's a problem with what the Xbox is sending. (though it would be nice to have other people with better tooling than I have confirm it's doing the conversion properly)

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Funny, I can see the convergence errors in our local Dolby viewing room from 3/4 back in the theater. Except in the lower corners where the exit lights wash everything out... A big selling point of this model was that convergence can be corrected.

My concern is really that I see in the dark better than my crappy camera. And I don't see that well.
Well like anything else it can be corrected to a degree, there is no perfect devise out there. Trade offs, even when you spend big bucks getting a DLA-RS4500 for example.

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Chief mount RPA281 vs RPMA281 question. Any advantage one over the other?

I got the RPA281 along with x990R but i am returning few other stuff so have the opportunity to switch to RPMA281.

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Chief mount RPA281 vs RPMA281 question. Any advantage one over the other?

I got the RPA281 along with x990R but i am returning few other stuff so have the opportunity to switch to RPMA281.
Anytime I have gotten a guy to try an RPMA, they have never gone back to an RPA. The RPA is a friction mount and the RPMA is gear adjustable.
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Anytime I have gotten a guy to try an RPMA, they have never gone back to an RPA. The RPA is a friction mount and the RPMA is gear adjustable.
Thanks Mike, I got the RPA281 specific to JVC, when i switch to RPMA281 is there anything else i need to get? I do have the ceiling plate and 6" to 9" extension .
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Thanks Mike, I got the RPA281 specific to JVC, when i switch to RPMA281 is there anything else i need to get? I do have the ceiling plate and 6" to 9" extension .
Agree with Mike. If you've got a RPA281, then all you need is the RPMx gimbal, usually. The "281" part of it is the plate, which it sounds like you already have. Might save you a little. The RPMx is just a nicer gimbal than the old stamped sheet metal RPA.
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Agree with Mike. If you've got a RPA281, then all you need is the RPMx gimbal, usually. The "281" part of it is the plate, which it sounds like you already have. Might save you a little. The RPMx is just a nicer gimbal than the old stamped sheet metal RPA.
My RPA281 is still unopened so will have to return it that way and get the RPMA281
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I know JVC doesn’t sell online. Is it safe to buy from third party on amazon?
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Checking my setup to make sure I have everything working correctly. I'm using an Xbox One S (with current insider pre-release) as the player and whenever I'm playing a UHD HDR disc, I see the projector showing:

Source: 4K(3840)24
Color space: RGB 10-bit
Colorimetry: BT.2020
HDR: ST.2084

I know there was previously a problem with the color conversion on the Xbox but from what I understand it's fixed. I had expected color space to be YCbCr, but after reading a bit it sounds like it's perfectly within the spec for the source to convert all the way to RGB (as long as they do the conversion properly) and as BT.2020/ST.2084 are showing, there's nothing here that indicates there's a problem with what the Xbox is sending. (though it would be nice to have other people with better tooling than I have confirm it's doing the conversion properly)

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I have Xbox one x and I am getting

Source:4K(3840)60
Color Space: YUV 10-bit
Colorimetry: BT.2020
HDR: ST.2084

Change your Color space on you Xbox display & sound settings to Color space :standard

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When I first started shopping for my new projector I contacted some sellers at Amazon and Ebay and some fully admitted you would not get warranty. Others said they were authorized sellers but because you were buying off the internet you had to call them for service. Didn't sound like something I wanted to take a chance on.
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Yes I was very happy going through them. Definitely check with them on price.
Just another statement vouching for Craig.

He went way beyond just 'very good' customer support to ensure I was taken care of.

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I'm having a problem and I haven't been able to find it addressed here, I've searched on a few things but have had no luck so far, so sorry if I missed it. When I watch HDR video from Amazon, Netflix, etc., on my Nvidia Shield fed through my Oppo 203 to the 540 the projector sticks in a mode where it thinks it's receiving a different color space than it is once I leave HDR video. Whites are blown, flesh tones are horribly off, people's faces tend to have a black, splotchy appearance, other stuff like that. I have to switch inputs on either the Oppo or the 540 and then it gets back to the right mode.

I'm using the 203 to handle the HDR conversion. HDR Off, Target Luminance 300, HDR to SDR Mode 3. Pretty much all the other video settings on the Oppo are set to Auto as are the color space settings on the projector.

Whenever watching something from the Shield in the 540's Info page I see Color Space YUV and Colorimetry BT.2020. This doesn't change before, during, or after watching HDR. Now when I first was watching it tonight the 540 was showing the Color Space as YUV 12-bit until I cycled inputs, then it said YUV, I went back into another HDR video, exited, and it still said 12-bit, I cycled the input on the 540 and it fixed the appearance problem, and went back to YUV 12-bit. It seems as though changing the input on the JVC causes it to show YUV 12-bit, but changing the input on the Oppo causes it to show YUV. What it shows there doesn't seem to have any relevance to whether or not the problem occurs when leaving HDR, it always happens. Once it enters this problematic state the HDR settings menu on the Oppo looks as though it's receiving normal video from the Shield because the Luminance and HDR to SDR Mode are greyed out like normal, so I don't believe the Shield to be the problem. It's been doing this with the beta firmware and UDP20X-56-0224. The JVC version shows x12.1.

I've tried changing color space settings and the like when in this bad state, but I haven't found anything that works other than changing inputs.

I did put in a 4K blu-ray and then switched to a regular blu-ray and that works fine.

Any ideas what might be causing this and is there a fix?
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I'm having a problem and I haven't been able to find it addressed here, I've searched on a few things but have had no luck so far, so sorry if I missed it. When I watch HDR video from Amazon, Netflix, etc., on my Nvidia Shield fed through my Oppo 203 to the 540 the projector sticks in a mode where it thinks it's receiving a different color space than it is once I leave HDR video. Whites are blown, flesh tones are horribly off, people's faces tend to have a black, splotchy appearance, other stuff like that. I have to switch inputs on either the Oppo or the 540 and then it gets back to the right mode.

I'm using the 203 to handle the HDR conversion. HDR Off, Target Luminance 300, HDR to SDR Mode 3. Pretty much all the other video settings on the Oppo are set to Auto as are the color space settings on the projector.

Whenever watching something from the Shield in the 540's Info page I see Color Space YUV and Colorimetry BT.2020. This doesn't change before, during, or after watching HDR. Now when I first was watching it tonight the 540 was showing the Color Space as YUV 12-bit until I cycled inputs, then it said YUV, I went back into another HDR video, exited, and it still said 12-bit, I cycled the input on the 540 and it fixed the appearance problem, and went back to YUV 12-bit. It seems as though changing the input on the JVC causes it to show YUV 12-bit, but changing the input on the Oppo causes it to show YUV. What it shows there doesn't seem to have any relevance to whether or not the problem occurs when leaving HDR, it always happens. Once it enters this problematic state the HDR settings menu on the Oppo looks as though it's receiving normal video from the Shield because the Luminance and HDR to SDR Mode are greyed out like normal, so I don't believe the Shield to be the problem. It's been doing this with the beta firmware and UDP20X-56-0224. The JVC version shows x12.1.

I've tried changing color space settings and the like when in this bad state, but I haven't found anything that works other than changing inputs.

I did put in a 4K blu-ray and then switched to a regular blu-ray and that works fine.

Any ideas what might be causing this and is there a fix?
Since you are going through the Oppo, the projector will not auto select the correct color space and other settings. I have the different settings saved in the JVC. So when I want HDR, I just select the user mode that I have set up for HDR and when watching SDR, select the user mode I have set up for SDR.
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Since you are going through the Oppo, the projector will not auto select the correct color space and other settings. I have the different settings saved in the JVC. So when I want HDR, I just select the user mode that I have set up for HDR and when watching SDR, select the user mode I have set up for SDR.
I use different settings for HDR and SDR, but that's irrelevant to the problem. When I start off in SDR everything is fine, regardless of which settings I have. When I switch to HDR I can see in the Oppo it is detecting it, and I change to Natural for that. But when I leave HDR and go back to SDR it's screwed up, even though the Oppo has switched back to indicating it's not getting HDR. I can toggle between my SDR calibrated settings in USER1 or Natural which I use for HDR all I want, it's screwed up. The only way I can get the image to look right again is to toggle inputs. No other setting I have found will change it. I've changed to RGB, at which point everything becomes pink and purple, and switched back to YUV 4:4:4 or YUV 4:2:2 or Auto and that still doesn't matter. Only switching inputs, or power cycling, fixes it.
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I use different settings for HDR and SDR, but that's irrelevant to the problem. When I start off in SDR everything is fine, regardless of which settings I have. When I switch to HDR I can see in the Oppo it is detecting it, and I change to Natural for that. But when I leave HDR and go back to SDR it's screwed up, even though the Oppo has switched back to indicating it's not getting HDR. I can toggle between my SDR calibrated settings in USER1 or Natural which I use for HDR all I want, it's screwed up. The only way I can get the image to look right again is to toggle inputs. No other setting I have found will change it. I've changed to RGB, at which point everything becomes pink and purple, and switched back to YUV 4:4:4 or YUV 4:2:2 or Auto and that still doesn't matter. Only switching inputs, or power cycling, fixes it.
If this happens when you connect direct from player to projector, then I would contact JVC and see if they have any suggestions.
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About to pull the trigger on RS540. According to JVC website, the minimum projection distance for 120’ 16:9 screen is 12.2 ft. Is this pretty accurate? My actual prjection distance will be around 12.2 ft. Will I be able to use a 120’ screen?
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About to pull the trigger on RS540. According to JVC website, the minimum projection distance for 120’ 16:9 screen is 12.2 ft. Is this pretty accurate? My actual prjection distance will be around 12.2 ft. Will I be able to use a 120’ screen?
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So I got the rs540 not long ago and I like the quality so far but the colors just don't pop as I was expecting. For comparison, I'm very used to watching movies on my Samsung qled tv on vivd mode. I know some will say that's not natural but it's quite satisfying to the eyes for me. Is it possible for me to get an image close to that somehow? I have tried all the preset modes and it just doesn't have that pop I was hoping for, like the tv. The colors are just kinda dull, it seems washed out. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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So I got the rs540 not long ago and I like the quality so far but the colors just don't pop as I was expecting. For comparison, I'm very used to watching movies on my Samsung qled tv on vivd mode. I know some will say that's not natural but it's quite satisfying to the eyes for me. Is it possible for me to get an image close to that somehow? I have tried all the preset modes and it just doesn't have that pop I was hoping for, like the tv. The colors are just kinda dull, it seems washed out. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Have a professional calibrator come calibrate both your projector and TV. Then they should look a lot closer color wise ( in theory anyway ).

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Hi all,

So I got the rs540 not long ago and I like the quality so far but the colors just don't pop as I was expecting. For comparison, I'm very used to watching movies on my Samsung qled tv on vivd mode. I know some will say that's not natural but it's quite satisfying to the eyes for me. Is it possible for me to get an image close to that somehow? I have tried all the preset modes and it just doesn't have that pop I was hoping for, like the tv. The colors are just kinda dull, it seems washed out. Any suggestions? Thanks.
The JVC out of the box is a lot closer to calibrated than your TV in vivid mode. Sounds like you do not like a calibrated picture. You like a picture with more exaggerated colors. Your projector can be calibrated that way too.
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Does AVS price match with other authorized dealers? Biggest reason I didn't buy my RS520 from AVS at the time is the quote I was given over the phone was ~$900 more vs what I paid through another authorized dealer. Their closeout and b stock pricing is great, but their preorder and current model pricing isn't that hot these days (was MUCH better/closer when I bought my 40/45 and their RS1 pricing couldnt be beat from what I found at the time which I ended up buying from them along with a ST130 screen) if you shop around other authorized dealers.
There was no preorder price on the x20 series. The X20 series came up unexpectedly. Originally the X00 series was going to get a firmware update. Due to information JVC learned during the design of the RS4500, JVC decided to incorporate low lag gaming mode into the lamp based models. This required a hardware change. A hardware change automaticlly means new model number.
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There was no preorder price on the x20 series. That model came up unexpectedly. Originally the X00 series was going to get a firmware update. Due to information JVC learned during the design of the RS4500, JVC decided to incorporate low lag gaming mode into the lamp based models. This required a hardware change. A hardware change automaticlly means new model number.
Thanks Mike and I remember there was no preorder pricing on the X20 series. I was shocked how much higher you guys were priced though as I mentioned. Your X40 preorder pricing was also considerably higher vs other authorized quotes I received. Do you guys price match with other authorized dealers?
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Would you recommend Geek Squad?
No.
Unilikely Geek Squad will have a detailed knowledge of higher end projector differences. AVS (or other dealers that lurk here) will.
And provide knowledgeable support.

Mike

HT: Oppo UDP-203 -> Lumagen RadiancePro 4446 {18 GHz input x2 & 18 GHz output x1 cards} - "new (112818 FW)" 18 GHz microcode - parallel outs to --> [Audio: Denon 5308CI] --> [Video: JVC RS520 FW v30.1]
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