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The wiggle 4k DLP chip design sounds like a half evolution step above the DLP spinning color wheel. Perhaps I am the only one who didn't jump on that spinning train?
There's nothing wrong with the color wheel if implemented properly. DLP's biggest shortcoming is black level, but they're sharper than most competing PJ technologies. What's more, LCD has it's share of bandaids as well, so, pick your poison.

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The projector itself is three dimensional.
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I?m interested and in the market for such an item.I think the price on this would have to be sub-$3000 or the Epson LS100 renders it obsolete. I?m hoping it?s as bright as the Epson (measured 4800 lumens on PJC) with the ability to clamp down the brightness for night time viewing, something apparently the Epson can?t do. Otherwise the Epson with a roku stick will do almost everything this will (HDR on pjs isn?t really attainable yet). Scott, can you recommend that Epson release a FW update to lower the black levels for night time viewing? (As they are claiming 2.5M:1 contrast)
The LS100 is HD. This is UHD. Invalid comparison.

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Single chip DLP ... one color at a time, Faux K, half of the image at a time. Any way you slice it they slice it a lot. A whole lot of shortcuts to produce a budget product for people that just can not wait.

4K TVs have steadily dropped so now with $300 I can go get one anyday sale or not. Life's too short for these shortcuts in projectors. I believe that in 4 years REAL 4K projectors will be affordable.

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Life's too short to wait 4 years.
That's true also.

if you don't have 4 years then take what you can get.
(Plus I hear Faux K sets look pretty good so there's that too.)

I update my Pj about every 3 years since starting in 1999 and I have a 2017 model now so I think I'm in a good position for a good pj in a few years.

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Invalid comparison due to resolution...Projector central just found the Epson 5040 to be sharper than a 4K DLP...no comparison is invalid.
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Maybe it has a battery and wireless screen sharing, like the LG Minibeam
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"Also there is the Auto Cord feature, allowing the cable to quickly wind up so that it makes moving the projector even easier. As far as content goes, customers won’t have any issues finding anything to watch. The LG HU80KA comes with LG’s own webOS 3.5 installed."
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Invalid comparison due to resolution...Projector central just found the Epson 5040 to be sharper than a 4K DLP...no comparison is invalid.
Your post said Epson LS100. The LS100 does not do the eshift like the 5040. It is 1080P only. Invalid comparison.

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Projector central just found the Epson 5040 to be sharper than a 4K DLP...
Where did you see that? I see a 5040 vs UHD65 comparison from back in October, but not sure if there is a new one. I'm interested in a comparison to one of the new 1080p plus 4 way eShift models.

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Ah, so not a true 4k resolution. That is disappointing. I wish there was a few more manufacturer options for true 4k under $10k. At the moment I think we have just Sony.
Seriously cheeses me off that it's even called a 4K/UHD projector. It's not. It never will be. It doesn't matter if there's "not much difference" between this and a real 4K/UHD projector. It's NOT A 4K projector.
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Seriously cheeses me off that it's even called a 4K/UHD projector. It's not. It never will be. It doesn't matter if there's "not much difference" between this and a real 4K/UHD projector. It's NOT A 4K projector.
I know. I feel the same on the JVC. I mean 4k means the resolution, so 4096x2160 or 3840x2160. If they want to use a different term, like "HDR projectors", and espouse their fantastic black levels, native contrast over ACTUAL 4K projectors, go right ahead. But don't tell me it is 4k. It is as disingenuous as calling a last gen 720p TV a 1080P TV.
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I know. I feel the same on the JVC. I mean 4k means the resolution, so 4096x2160 or 3840x2160. If they want to use a different term, like "HDR projectors", and espouse their fantastic black levels, native contrast over ACTUAL 4K projectors, go right ahead. But don't tell me it is 4k. It is as disingenuous as calling a last gen 720p TV a 1080P TV.
No it’s not. It displays the 8.2 million pixels. It’s more like having a 1080i/120 tv displaying a 1080p/60 signal.

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No it’s not. It displays the 8.2 million pixels. It’s more like having a 1080i/120 tv displaying a 1080p/60 signal.
It isn't really like either one. Much of the point of 1080i is display all of the pixels in a 1080p signal in the correct spot without overlap (although there can be some with the analog nature of CRTs).

XPR is kind of like halfway between showing a 1080p signal as 1080i and showing it as 540p, in that each subframe of XPR does not leave gaps for the other subframe(s) other than the small gaps from having less that 100% fill ratio. With XPR the whole design is that pixels from different subframes overlap. In the source there are 8.3M pixels that are not meant to overlap. That spatial quality can be retained when showing the pixels with interlacing, but cannot be retained with XPR.

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It isn't really like either one. Much of the point of 1080i is display all of the pixels in a 1080p signal in the correct spot without overlap (although there can be some with the analog nature of CRTs).

XPR is kind of like halfway between showing a 1080p signal as 1080i and showing it as 540p, in that each subframe of XPR does not leave gaps for the other subframe(s) other than the small gaps from having less that 100% fill ratio. With XPR the whole design is that pixels from different subframes overlap. In the source there are 8.3M pixels that are not meant to overlap. That spatial quality can be retained when showing the pixels with interlacing, but cannot be retained with XPR.

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The only real question is can your eye tell the difference from your seat. My XPR projector (Optoma UHZ-65) looks fantastic. And in the JVC/Sony shootout, people couldn’t tell which projector was which when one was eshift and the other was “true 4K”

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The only real question is can your eye tell the difference from your seat. My XPR projector (Optoma UHZ-65) looks fantastic. And in the JVC/Sony shootout, people couldn’t tell which projector was which when one was eshift and the other was “true 4K”
Do you consider the JVC to be 4K then?

If people compared a native 4K projector to a native 8K projector from their seat and couldn't tell a difference, most of us still wouldn't call the 4K projector "8K".

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Do you consider the JVC to be 4K then?

If people compared a native 4K projector to a native 8K projector from their seat and couldn't tell a difference, most of us still wouldn't call the 4K projector "8K".

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JVC doesn’t show all the pixels, the XPR ones do.
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C'mon guys. Let's not ruin this thread with another useless discussion on whether these XPR systems are 4K or not. Take your thoughts to the dedicated thread on this subject!

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Scott,

Could you possibly get a personal demo of this projector off the hall floor. Typically LG shows their new projectors in a side tent off their main area and it is always a poorly designed demo scenario. I've been to the last five or so and you could never get any kind of reasonable preview. For a person of your stature in the industry I would hope that they would take care of this for you(and for us).

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Found an interesting video. Looks like you can flip the lid back and use this as a traditional front projector. The downsides are the colors look washed out even in the somewhat darkened room. I have a feeling the lumen spec is way over rated. Also it seems that there is no zoom for the lens. Still might be a good option for a fully darkened room.
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The US page is up: http://www.lg.com/us/home-video/lg-HU80KA-projector
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I know DLP has a huge following among videophiles, but I'd take the Epson LS100 over this any day- LCD is much better than single chip DLP , and the Epson seems to me a better fit for hometheater than this LG does.
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I know DLP has a huge following among videophiles, but I'd take the Epson LS100 over this any day- LCD is much better than single chip DLP , and the Epson seems to me a better fit for hometheater than this LG does.
The LS100 is just too bright and you can't dim it enough. It really is made for viewing in a lit room. It's also only 1080p. There is no rainbow effect though.

I'll return mine today.

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The LS100 is just too bright and you can't dim it enough. It really is made for viewing in a lit room. It's also only 1080p. There is no rainbow effect though.

I'll return mine today.
I suggest you read the ProjectorCentral review, I suspect you're missing something. But yeah, if you care for the 4K, although not native, Then the Epson LS100 is not for you, I'm personally happy with my 92" 1080P screen.
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I suggest you read the ProjectorCentral review, I suspect you're missing something. But yeah, if you care for the 4K, although not native, Then the Epson LS100 is not for you, I'm personally happy with my 92" 1080P screen.
I've tried to calibrate the LS100 with no luck. Even bought a second meter because I suspected one is defective. Unfortunately it's the projector (color gamut was really bad). Could have bought a gray screen to get light output down but it's somewhat silly to buy a bright projector only to reduce brightness at the screen so it's watchable.
Initially I bought it because of its high light output to fit my 127" (diagonal) screen but at that screen size you really need to have a 4K projector.

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Looks like .66 4K version of HF80JA laser projector with PF1500 portability. Brighter than HF80 but no detail yet on lens. It must have some adjust-ability or they wouldn't mention ceiling mount as I believe they do in promo. I'm guessing price in the low to mid 2s. Just hope it can be calibrated to offer same picture as UHZ65. Those owners seem to be satisfied with picture.

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MSRP pegged at $4999 and out mid-April per CES booth.
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Thanks, but no thanks.

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MSRP pegged at $4999 and out mid-April per CES booth.
Wow! I was hoping for much less.

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