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But you can easily use it with 24 fps content, which is the frame rate of virtually every current 4K UHD movie

Yes, you're right. Tested now: uhd 24fps films has no dropped frames with those settings. Only 60fps.



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Edit: If you are using the latest test build, checking "compromise on HDR luminance channel quality" under trade quality for performance should give you the performance you need with 60 fps content.

I've checked "compromise on HDR luminance channel" with those settings:


> Color tweaks for fire & explosions = balanced
> highlight recovery strength = low


With 60fps files still have empty queue and a lot of dropped frames. It seems that 60fps files are too much for my RTX2070 and "Highlight recovery strenght".



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Errr, there's a Dynamic checkbox in the recent version of @Soulnight 's tool (bottom-middle) that will set a Target-nits field in the measurement file. But ask about it there instead.

Yes, I use Dynamic target nits into Flo's tool. But my question is not related to the Soulnight's tool.
I explain it better:
Imagine that I reproduce a mkv file and in the same folder I've the measurament file created with the latest Soulnight's tool. This file was created with Dynamic target nits actived.


The playback begins and I enter into madvr settings and manually change on-fly the value that I already have in the "target peak nits" field.
Just an example, I enter "1000".
Now I see the image became darker.


So I'm not seeing anymore the dynamic target nit level that the measurament file is sending to Madvr....


So my question is: How to turn back to see tha right dynamic target nit level that of the measurament file ?





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It's interesting to see that 2070 can't handle 60fps content either with current state of tone mapping.
Yes, that option is pretty taxing.

Infact I'm surprised too. Is there anyone else in this thread that has an RTX2070 and gives feedback about this ??


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Or you can try to check "scale chroma separately" option instead.

This option was already checked.
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@FidelioX try activating the full screen exclusive mode in madvr. I read that there is a driver problem with the new Rtx gpus.

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@FidelioX try activating the full screen exclusive mode in madvr. I read that there is a driver problem with the new Rtx gpus.

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Exactly. There is also a solution for the rtx gpu issue combined with windowed mode.

Activate VSync in the 3D settings from nvidia.


Also regarding the other issue of "not active" dynamic target nits, please look in the other thread dedicated to our tool.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...l#post57480332

I provided a work around for this rare madVR bug.
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Exactly. There is also a solution for the rtx gpu issue combined with windowed mode.

Activate VSync in the 3D settings from nvidia.



Thank you guys but all the test described above was made in FSE mode.
So, if you have no other suggestions, it seems that highlight processing is to hard for 60fps files on a RTX2070.


Hope some one with the same GPU can test it and report it here...
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Exactly. There is also a solution for the rtx gpu issue combined with windowed mode.

Activate VSync in the 3D settings from nvidia.
The fix for windowed mode for the RTX cards could be helpful to many if it works. Thanks.
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Update of Simple AutoMeasure Tools for UHD clones and Media Files.

Update of Version 1.1.0.0 @ 2019-1-24:
1. Not only UHD clones can be measured, but also media files of the specified type in the first level subdirectories.
2. Media types of measurement can be customized and saved.
3. Refine the measurement progress.
4. Fix some bugs.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57434744
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I can use a lot of this data for playback with a Lumagen Radiance Pro as well.
Just be aware that it's created by madVR for madVR, meaning I'm not sure how accurate the data is when you use it with different devices.

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Update of Version 1.1.0.0 @ 2019-1-24:
1. Not only UHD clones can be measured, but also media files of the specified type in the first level subdirectories.
2. Media types of measurement can be customized and saved.
3. Refine the measurement progress.
4. Fix some bugs.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57434744
By clones, do you mean ISO files? If so, do they have to be mounted first?
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I have created a google spreadsheets for HDR measurement data read by madMeasurement File Analyzer for statistical purposes (also includes madMeasureDynamicClipping v3.3.1 100% dynamic range recovery strength values).
Send me a PM with a gmail address if you want to have edit permission to add more titles to it.
Here is a link to all my measurement files if it helps. Feel free to analyse and add them if you like.

It would be good if there was a tool which could split out a CSV or something with these data points to add to the spreadsheet.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nookoi93e...h7f7NNkya?dl=0

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I have no control over the full HDMI InfoFrame. I can only tell the NVidia driver which HDR metadata to output and the rest is up to the GPU driver. The "Report BT.2020 to display" feature does some additional stuff, though, so might make sense to turn that off.

If HDFury says it's a bug in the Nvidia driver, I can probably forward that to my contact, but I'd need very exact information about that.
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@madshi :

I have progressed with the debugging of the garbage outgoing metadata when using HDR passthrough.

I've rolled-back to 385.28, and I now get the metadata properly when in HDR passthough, see attached file. So it looks like it's a drivers issue. Not sure when it gets broken though.

I see that you replace the MaxCLL with the measured MaxCLL when available, which is great. MaxFALL is still the bogus value 200, but I think that's the hidden decryption watermark.

However, as you can see, the Vertex reports RGB Reserved, which is invalid. This happens when an invalid RGB format is sent (either full, nor limited).

If I disable "send HDR metadata", wait for the PJ to resync, then enable it again, this time I get the correct RGB Full info, reserved is gone (see second screenshot).

I'll tell HD Fury about this, not sure if this is your side or theirs. I'll try to see how much of this I can reproduce when I upgrade the drivers back to latest 416.34.

Also I talked to HD Fury and if you can send a mutually agreed infoframe for example VSI with a specific header, then they could detect that and switch to a DCI-P3 calibration. Not sure if this is possible with your custom API or not, but I thought it was worth mentioning as that would be unique to MadVR.
Was there ever a solution to this? I'm getting the same 1000/20 MaxCLL/FALL sent to my JVC RS3000 and it's making JVCs Auto Tone Mapping worthless from MadVR.

Unfortunately I can't downgrade to 385.28 because I'm running a RTX 2080 which isn't supported there. Any other work around for this issue?
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Was there ever a solution to this? I'm getting the same 1000/20 MaxCLL/FALL sent to my JVC RS3000 and it's making JVCs Auto Tone Mapping worthless from MadVR.



Unfortunately I can't downgrade to 385.28 because I'm running a RTX 2080 which isn't supported there. Any other work around for this issue?
Unless I am misunderstanding why are you trying to tone map with the jvc? If you are using madvr you should be doing the dynamic tone mapping there and not sending an hdr signal to prevent the jvc from tone mapping something that has already been mapped.
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Unless I am misunderstanding why are you trying to tone map with the jvc? If you are using madvr you should be doing the dynamic tone mapping there and not sending an hdr signal to prevent the jvc from tone mapping something that has already been mapped.
No you have it correct, I'm trying to pass the HDR signal to the JVC unmapped and let it do the tone mapping with their auto tone mapping feature. I've tried a couple time to use displaycal and create a lut to let madvr do the mapping but I haven't been impressed with the results. It's probably just a case of I'm not doing it right but if there is a guide I missed that steps through it I'd be willing to try it again and compare it to what I can get with the JVC doing the mapping.
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Just be aware that it's created by madVR for madVR, meaning I'm not sure how accurate the data is when you use it with different devices.
I understand. I'm not using all of the data, but there are some key numbers that I can take advantage of. Thanks again!
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Was there ever a solution to this? I'm getting the same 1000/20 MaxCLL/FALL sent to my JVC RS3000 and it's making JVCs Auto Tone Mapping worthless from MadVR.

Unfortunately I can't downgrade to 385.28 because I'm running a RTX 2080 which isn't supported there. Any other work around for this issue?
The post of mine you quoted is not related to your issue.

If you get constant 1000/20 metadata it's most likely because the OS HDR switch is enabled in display settings. You need to disable the OS HDR switch for MadVR's HDR passthrough to work best, as it can enable/disable HDR on the fly. The 1000/20 metadata is a Microsoft bug when using the MS OS HDR switch, nothing to do with MadVR.

If you disable the OS HDR switch and let MadVR switch to HDR as and when needed, you should get passthrough to work with your rs3000 and get very decent results as the JVC tonemapping on the new JVCs is okay, but MadVR will have nothing to do with the tonemapping.

This is why passthrough isn't the best way to drive the JVCs for HDR playback. Depending on the model, it can be really bad to ok depending on how you do it, but even with your rs3000 it's definitely not best as it uses static (one target for the whole title), not dynamic tonemapping.

If you want the best results with MadVR, you want to create an SDR BT2020 calibration in the JVC and use the pixel shader tonemapping in MadVR along with measurements files and Soulnight's utility to optimize targets dynamically. The details of doing this is off topic in this thread though, as it's not a support thread, so please post in one of the MadVR support threads at AVS or at Doom9 if you have any further questions.

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Here is a link to all my measurement files if it helps. Feel free to analyse and add them if you like.
Are those all created by madvrmeasure39? (There was difference between data generated by older version.)

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It would be good if there was a tool which could split out a CSV or something with these data points to add to the spreadsheet.
Good idea, @pandm1967 ? I think 1 switch would be enough to display it in command line, we can script the rest.

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Are those all created by madvrmeasure39? (There was difference between data generated by older version.)





Good idea, @pandm1967 ? I think 1 switch would be enough to display it in command line, we can script the rest.
Umm no haha wasn't paying attention.

So we need to scrap measurements again? Bummer.
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Umm no haha wasn't paying attention.

So we need to scrap measurements again? Bummer.
It depends which version did you use: if madvrmeasure28 then yes (Note that I don't exactly know the version number that changed things, somewhere between 28 and 38.)

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It depends which version did you use: if madvrmeasure28 then yes (Note that I don't exactly know the version number that changed things, somewhere between 28 and 38.)
Nah I did mine v37 pretty sure. Not long ago.

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Nah I did mine v37 pretty sure. Not long ago.
OK, then that's fine, @pandm1967 's tool will tell us.

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No you have it correct, I'm trying to pass the HDR signal to the JVC unmapped and let it do the tone mapping with their auto tone mapping feature. I've tried a couple time to use displaycal and create a lut to let madvr do the mapping but I haven't been impressed with the results. It's probably just a case of I'm not doing it right but if there is a guide I missed that steps through it I'd be willing to try it again and compare it to what I can get with the JVC doing the mapping.
It is as simple as installing the latest test build linked in this post (unzip into the installation folder) and select tone map HDR using pixel shaders:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...rget-nits.html

If the JVC isn't using the MaxFALL (don't know why it would need it), the mastering peak or MaxCLL (mostly 1,000 nits +/-) should be enough to select the correct curve.
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The post of mine you quoted is not related to your issue.

If you get constant 1000/20 metadata it's most likely because the OS HDR switch is enabled in display settings. You need to disable the OS HDR switch for MadVR's HDR passthrough to work best, as it can enable/disable HDR on the fly. The 1000/20 metadata is a Microsoft bug when using the MS OS HDR switch, nothing to do with MadVR.

If you disable the OS HDR switch and let MadVR switch to HDR as and when needed, you should get passthrough to work with your rs3000 and get very decent results as the JVC tonemapping on the new JVCs is okay, but MadVR will have nothing to do with the tonemapping.
Hmm odd, I've had the OS HDR switch disabled and let madvr use the nvidia hdr mode as it's always done for me so it shouldn't be that. I was able to swap a 1080TI in my computer to test out the old driver (385.28) and it fixed the issue with metadata properly being passed through, I'm wondering now if I needed to go that far back so I may test others in between or even the newest with that card, perhaps it's something specific to the RTX 2080.

(Edit: for anyone that googles this issue later and finds this post, I tested multiple versions and this broke somewhere between 398.11 and 399.07, everything I tested between 399.07 to 417.35 exhibited the 1000/20 MaxCLL/FALL issue.)

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This is why passthrough isn't the best way to drive the JVCs for HDR playback. Depending on the model, it can be really bad to ok depending on how you do it, but even with your rs3000 it's definitely not best as it uses static (one target for the whole title), not dynamic tonemapping.

If you want the best results with MadVR, you want to create an SDR BT2020 calibration in the JVC and use the pixel shader tonemapping in MadVR along with measurements files and Soulnight's utility to optimize targets dynamically. The details of doing this is off topic in this thread though, as it's not a support thread, so please post in one of the MadVR support threads at AVS or at Doom9 if you have any further questions.
I'll try it out, I was using the 3DLUT mapping before so maybe that's why I wasn't getting as good as results with it. Appreciate the help.

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Here is a link to all my measurement files if it helps. Feel free to analyse and add them if you like.
Thanks, I've added the missing titles, but next time you guys have to do this by yourself

There are 4 outstanding titles with their extremely high avgFALL:
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The Meg (2018)
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The Secret Life of Pets (2016)
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still about RTX2070

Hi guys, I read in this thread that a new graphic card can measure n UHD film in 15 min.


I own an RTX 2070 and it takes something near 1 hour !!
I've already setted LAV filters in native D3D11 accelleration.


Infact the madmeasure tool reports me D3D11 native ....but the measuring times are long ...


Any idea?


thank you
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I think it partly depends on where the files are being stored and how fast the file can be written to the hard drive. Are the files measured locally on the same PC or over the network?
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Hi guys, I read in this thread that a new graphic card can measure n UHD film in 15 min.


I own an RTX 2070 and it takes something near 1 hour !!
I've already setted LAV filters in native D3D11 accelleration.


Infact the madmeasure tool reports me D3D11 native ....but the measuring times are long ...


Any idea?


thank you
When you say you set LAV filters to native D3D11, I'm going to ask a really stupid question....you set the 32 bit version of LAV filters to D3D11? Cause afaik, they are not using the same settings as the 64 bit LAV. So if you changed the LAV settings you usually use to watch movies (assuming you're regularly using 64 bit players), then it would not have affected the 32 bit LAV filters that madmeasure requires. I hope that makes sense.
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Stupid question please - trying to wade through multiple threads to figure this out: building a HTPC for 4k madvr, MadmeasureHDR Optimizer and this thread.

I have a JVC RS620, a 100" 16:9 screen in a batcave and so sufficient brightness for HDR (176 nits at screen). I play HDR directly and dont convert to SDR BT2020. I have the vertex and am using the macro to auto-select one of manni's curves. However those curves are static and the next best thing seems to be dynamic tone mapping for HDR.

I *think* madvr will perform "dynamic tone mapping for HDR" but don't understand if it does that through HDR passthrough + MadmeasureHDR Optimizer OR HDR to SDR conversion + MadmeasureHDR optimizer OR something else. Is there a basic tutorial or something? Ive read some of the threads here and on doom9 and catching up tot he current state of play seems over whelming. I can get the basics working but cant figure this specific element out.

While I have not bought a PC yet for madvr/HTPC, I have bought an internal SATA ASUS blu ray drive with correct firmware, external enclosure and am using MakeMKV to rip UHD to an SSD drive and playing back on my laptop with MPC-HC with madvr with the engine. However connecting the mini-HDMI out on this laptop to HDMI on my receiver results in a poor, dark image (I think it is HDR …) on my projector with lots of dropped frames (but I am getting Atmos audio). I think that is probably because my laptop graphics card isn't up to the task. I am definitely seeing HDR on my laptop. So I have some of the stuff working.

So before I make the next incremental investment to build a HTPC, would someone please help me understand if this will get me dynamic tone mapping for HDR?

Thanks!
David

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Hi to all,
I own a RTX2070 with driver 417.71, win 10.
Normally I use Kodi DSPlayer.



Tonight I've done some tests with HEVC 60fps files.
Billy lin taken from an UltraHD disc and "LG Colors Journey" demo ...


My scaling settings were not so high in quality but, regards HDR, I've activated:


> Color tweaks for fire & explosions = balanced
> highlight recovery strength = low
> compromise on HDR tone & gamut mapping accuracy = no compromise

> compromise on HDR luminance channel quality = no compromise


Whit those settings I've massive drop frames, my render queue is always empty!
If I set > highlight recovery = none the queue returns full and I've no dropped frames ...






My question is: Is it possible that an user with an RTX2070 can't use "highlight recovery strenght" function?
Is it so heavy?


What are the benefit I loose if I can't activate it?


tank you so much.
I have had my highlight recovery on the nuts setting and have not had drop outs with the EVGA RTX 2070. I now have it set to high as I've turned on more options in the processing section, and I do have compromise on HDR luminance channel quality checked as I don't see a change on my setup with it on and get better performance on certain titles.
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Hi guys, I read in this thread that a new graphic card can measure n UHD film in 15 min.


I own an RTX 2070 and it takes something near 1 hour !!
I've already setted LAV filters in native D3D11 accelleration.


Infact the madmeasure tool reports me D3D11 native ....but the measuring times are long ...


Any idea?


thank you

With my RTX 2070 I can measure a movie in 7-15min from a USB 3 drive. I would echo what the others have suggested, measure from local drives not a NAS, and make sure you have both LAV versions set correctly. I had to reinstall LAV at one point and have been fine since.
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With my RTX 2070 I can measure a movie in 7-15min from a USB 3 drive. I would echo what the others have suggested, measure from local drives not a NAS, and make sure you have both LAV versions set correctly. I had to reinstall LAV at one point and have been fine since.
I measure in 15mn with a 1080ti from three different NAS, so as long as you get around 100MB/s (stable gigabit ethernet) a NAS is fine. Here there is no gain if I measure from a super fasr SSD or from a NAS, the limitation is the CPU/GPU combo. For example the same file measures in 15mn from my desktop HTPC (i7 3770K at 4.2 ghz) and in 23mn from my macbook pro 2018 (i7 4ghz in turbo mode) using the same 1080ti, always in D3D11 native. The iGPU of the MBP needs around one hour (also in D3D11 native).

A good test is to open LAV video (from the taskbar to make sure it’s the active instance) during the measurement to check that the active GPU is the correct one, as well as to check the CPU and GPU load with task manager or other utilities.

JVC Autocal Software V11 Calibration for 2019 Models (Google)
Batch Utility V4.02 May 16 2019 to automate measurements files for madVR with support for BD Folders

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