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How do I install a new build? Probably a dumb question, but not sure how.
Copy files into MadVR folder I think?
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The BT2020 flag seems to be broken. BT2020 is on even for rec-709 content. Have you changed anything recently that might have caused this? I started noticing over the last couple of weeks ago.
I'm still on windows 1809 and it does it with the reliable 385.28 driver on my 1080ti, so I don't think it's the OS or GPU drivers, unless there was some kind of OS update for 1809 that broke this.
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What are your madVR settings on your Jvc rs1000 and what build of madVR are you using?
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Hello everybody, I have been enjoying MADVR converting HDR to SDR BT2020, as it does a fantastic job with my JVC RS540 !

Just wanted to ask you all a quick question - I have selected the target colorspace as BT2020 and I manually chose the same on my projector, and it works fine. At the same time, on the information screen I see the HDMI input signal colorspace as BT709 - does anybody know why is that ?
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I use MadVR with excellent results with my JVC X970R projector. My main sources are 1080p and increasingly 4K HDR/SDR mkv rips.
While I haven't played/tuned it up with latest builds, etc. since about January, I was thinking of getting into that again and really just complete my HTPC build including a new horizontal case, etc.

I also have an Oppo 203 and have kept it around as backup, as at times as I get dropped frames on certain files at times with madVR (usually on 4K sources, even though then returning to play those same files some days later doesn't result in dropped frames...weird).

Anyways, I got to thinking about how a Lumagen Radiance Pro would compare to the results we get from madVR. Obviously the Lumagen is very pricey, but that aside, would it provide a significant pq boost above madVR?

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Anyways, I got to thinking about how a Lumagen Radiance Pro would compare to the results we get from madVR. Obviously the Lumagen is very pricey, but that aside, would it provide a significant pq boost above madVR?
Likely the other way around actually...
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Likely the other way around actually...
Javs how are you. How much improvement would you say Madvr is over your custom curves for hdr.. Is it 10 20 30 percent overall image improvement and will the image look cleaner and sharper.. I'm currently waiting for the Envy as having a pc and having to rip movies is too much for me..

I used to have a 520 but moved up to the 640 when the new models got delayed last year lol..

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Javs how are you. How much improvement would you say Madvr is over your custom curves for hdr.. Is it 10 20 30 percent overall image improvement and will the image look cleaner and sharper.. I'm currently waiting for the Envy as having a pc and having to rip movies is too much for me..

I used to have a 520 but moved up to the 640 when the new models got delayed last year lol..

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It's no contest. 100%+

My curves were not dynamic.
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It's no contest. 100%+

My curves were not dynamic.
I understand it will be dynamic but will it also make the image look sharper..

Can't wait to get my hands on it when it comes out
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I understand it will be dynamic but will it also make the image look sharper..

Can't wait to get my hands on it when it comes out
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Tone mapping has nothing to do with sharpness.

You don't upscale UHD, so it's not the same as when watching 1080p source. You can add some sharpening to it though, but not always reccomended.

Anyway this is not the thread for that.
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Tone mapping has nothing to do with sharpness.

You don't upscale UHD, so it's not the same as when watching 1080p source. You can add some sharpening to it though, but not always reccomended.

Anyway this is not the thread for that.
There are some Madvr chroma upscaling options which affect 4K movie file sharpness you can also play with, since the chroma resolution on the typical movies we have access to is recorded 4 times lower than the actual 4K resolution.
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There are some Madvr chroma upscaling options which affect 4K movie file sharpness you can also play with, since the chroma resolution on the typical movies we have access to is recorded 4 times lower than the actual 4K resolution.
The Panasonic also does very good chroma upscaling.
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Back in January had some great help here setting up my madVR HTPC using Kodi with awesome results. (I use it with a JVC X970R).

But, I never really kept up with it and now some plaguing issues have crept back in, both hw and sw related, such as:

1. Some mkv files drop frames, but then later when I go back to play them at another time without changing any settings, they play fine.
2. My PSU has developed a noisy whine.
3. I'm still using a tower case I had kicking around, and now want to buy and build a proper HTPC horizontal case.
4. I never got my Harmony remote via FLIRC working.

The 1st issue is so common now, that I've re-added my old Oppo 203 back into the chain as a backup when the madvr doesn't work.

Anyways, I wanted to revisit the whole build and just wondering where to start at least from a madvr build and settings perspective?
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Back in January had some great help here setting up my madVR HTPC using Kodi with awesome results. (I use it with a JVC X970R).

But, I never really kept up with it and now some plaguing issues have crept back in, both hw and sw related, such as:

1. Some mkv files drop frames, but then later when I go back to play them at another time without changing any settings, they play fine.
2. My PSU has developed a noisy whine.
3. I'm still using a tower case I had kicking around, and now want to buy and build a proper HTPC horizontal case.
4. I never got my Harmony remote via FLIRC working.

The 1st issue is so common now, that I've re-added my old Oppo 203 back into the chain as a backup when the madvr doesn't work.

Anyways, I wanted to revisit the whole build and just wondering where to start at least from a madvr build and settings perspective?
I'd offer some suggestions, but this isn't the right thread for it. Perhaps if this was posted in one of the madVR support threads.

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I am trying to use MadVR to do HDR->SDR mapping.
Please find my madVR settings and OSD attached. I used the settings that Neo-xp shared few days back and the beta build.

I am still trying to understanding tone mapping. So this might sound stupid.

I am trying to tone map assuming my display nit is 150 ( I have an Epson 5040).
I see measured frame is 1138 and it is tone mapped to 1301.

I am assuming measured frame is what is in the source. But what is the tone map here?

Since I set the target as 150 nits, I was expecting the tone map should be something in this range as well ? So I was expecting MadVR to map a 1138 nits frame to something like 100-150?
But I see it is being tone mapped to 1301 nits?

Is there a write up some where that explains dynamic tone mapping? I would like understand more about how this whole thing works.
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I am trying to use MadVR to do HDR->SDR mapping.
Please find my madVR settings and OSD attached. I used the settings that Neo-xp shared few days back and the beta build.

I am still trying to understanding tone mapping. So this might sound stupid.

I am trying to tone map assuming my display nit is 150 ( I have an Epson 5040).
I see measured frame is 1138 and it is tone mapped to 1301.

I am assuming measured frame is what is in the source. But what is the tone map here?

Since I set the target as 150 nits, I was expecting the tone map should be something in this range as well ? So I was expecting MadVR to map a 1138 nits frame to something like 100-150?
But I see it is being tone mapped to 1301 nits?

Is there a write up some where that explains dynamic tone mapping? I would like understand more about how this whole thing works.
If you want to see what madVR is mapping the nits to, you need to create a folder in the madVR folder named "ShowHdrMode".

Then in the ctrl+j display it will show the mapped nits inside parenthesis.
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So after I turned off the setting called 'apply target dynamic nits selection' the picture looks amazing. With this setting on the picture looked very dark.

So what does this setting actually do?




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So after I turned off the setting called 'apply target dynamic nits selection' the picture looks amazing. With this setting on the picture looked very dark.

So what does this setting actually do?




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That disables dynamic tone mapping and uses static tone mapping if you uncheck it.

You should leave it checked, but if the picture is too dark lower the top number and also try lowering the dynamic tuning number to 50.
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Is there a write up some where that explains dynamic tone mapping? I would like understand more about how this whole thing works.
If you click through the links in the post below, there is quite a bit of information that you may or may not find useful. There isn't really much help for any temporary test settings that wouldn't be included in a final build (besides Neo-XP's screenshots):

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...949#pid2238949

This is a good place to start:

What Is HDR Tone Mapping?
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@madshi Hi,

Watching Pet Sematary (2019), I saw a disturbing white fade out + fade in near the beginning.

A small sample is available here: https://www.mediafire.com/file/38843...de_in.mkv/file

The target not adapting fast enough produces weird brightness adaptations, and the image staying too dark for too long during the fade in causes a continuity issue with the next scene (bright day appears dark).

Easy to fix with an immediate target adaptation during fade ins and fade outs + a protection so the target can only go UP on fade ins and DOWN on fade outs.

Same solution as for the other issues reported here:

- for a fade in during a scene: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post58129496
- for a fade in from black: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post58184500

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I need to be able to forward HDR data to my Jvc N5B projector in order to get my HdFury Vertex switch to switch User mode via rs232.
I can get it done by putting madVR to use tone map HDR using pixel shaders and checking the "output video in HDR format".
But when I do, the picture becomes completely flat without the HDR pop effect.
Is it a bug in madVR 92.17 or have I just misunderstood what "output video in HDR format" means
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Hi all,


Might be bit of a newb question, how do i enable the extra options under the 'HDR' tab. I select convert HDR to SDR via pixal shader but other than selecting nits there isnt anything else as in apply dynamic clipping, apply target nits selection etc?


Cheers

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I need to be able to forward HDR data to my Jvc N5B projector in order to get my HdFury Vertex switch to switch User mode via rs232.
I can get it done by putting madVR to use tone map HDR using pixel shaders and checking the "output video in HDR format".
But when I do, the picture becomes completely flat without the HDR pop effect.
Is it a bug in madVR 92.17 or have I just misunderstood what "output video in HDR format" means
Output video in HDR format means the output is PQ values that follow the PQ EOTF. That means the projector is still applying its own internal HDR curve after the PQ values are compressed to the brightness set in madVR.

Unchecking this box outputs in SDR gamma, which is preferred if you want more control over the display curve, as the image will be mapped to the gamma set in the projector.
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Might be bit of a newb question, how do i enable the extra options under the 'HDR' tab. I select convert HDR to SDR via pixal shader but other than selecting nits there isnt anything else as in apply dynamic clipping, apply target nits selection etc?


Cheers
Install a test build from one of madshi's past posts by extracting the contents of the test build into the madVR installation folder and then uncheck any checked options under trade quality for performance.
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I need to be able to forward HDR data to my Jvc N5B projector in order to get my HdFury Vertex switch to switch User mode via rs232.
I can get it done by putting madVR to use tone map HDR using pixel shaders and checking the "output video in HDR format".
But when I do, the picture becomes completely flat without the HDR pop effect.
Is it a bug in madVR 92.17 or have I just misunderstood what "output video in HDR format" means
A better option may be to use MadVR profile commands and JVCControl to let MadVR change your picture mode depending on the media type.
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A better option may be to use MadVR profile commands and JVCControl to let MadVR change your picture mode depending on the media type.
I'll give it a try, thanks for the suggestion
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Someone with A Sony 270 here,and can give me a Help with the settings?

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What settings? The test build settings?

Why don't you try Neo-XP's settings:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post58099912
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What pj ist IT for?

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It doesnˋt matter which pj... Only your Target nits are important....
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