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Any reason to wait for an upcoming projector?

I currently have a JVC RS40 projector. I was waiting for prices to lower and HDR technology to catch up on projectors. If I buy a projector it will most likely be in the $6-8k msrp range. Most likely a JVC or Sony brand.


Is there anything within the next year that will be worth waiting for?
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There is always something around the corner. If you are always trying to keep up with current trends you'll go broke. I'm still using a JVC RS1 that I bought in 2007!
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I currently have a JVC RS40 projector. I was waiting for prices to lower and HDR technology to catch up on projectors. If I buy a projector it will most likely be in the $6-8k msrp range. Most likely a JVC or Sony brand.


Is there anything within the next year that will be worth waiting for?
I would for sure wait, HDR won’t really catch up for I’m sure the next 2-3 yrs but I’d say the next gen of JVC, Sony & Epson should be popping out later this year and that’s what I’d spend my money on. I’ve got a JVC RS520, and I myself am keeping my eyes on what comes out later this year.
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There is always something around the corner. If you are always trying to keep up with current trends you'll go broke. I'm still using a JVC RS1 that I bought in 2007!
I know guys that bought preorder projectors, kept them nine/ten months and sold for what they paid, or nearly what they paid and repeated the cycle. The other option is to buy a projector long term and have hardly any resale value, when ready to replace. I have looked at the model both ways and it does not seem to cost you any more money. But you need a back up projector to do this because you will find yourself without a projector for a month or two. This is why four years ago, I started replacing my projector every year. It does require more effort to do this.

So let's look at a five year period. Buying a $5,000 projector (preorder price) and let's say you sold it for $300 less. After buying your 5th year projector you have spent $6,200. Now compare to buying $5,000 projector, keep five years and sell for $2,000 (if you are lucky) and then buy another $5,000 projector. You have spent $8,000. Even if you lost $500 each year selling, you still come out ahead.

Let's look at 10 year period. Still using $5,000 projectors. Trading every year with $300 loss means you spent $7,700. Keeping the projector for 10 years means the $5,000 projector is worth around $500. After buying the new $5,000 projector, you have spent $9,500. So even if you lost $500 each year, you still come out ahead, because with the replacement each year, you never buy a new lamp and with keeping the projector for nine years, you certainly purchased a few lamps. On top of that, you are getting to play with the new stuff that comes out, rather than still using an old projector.
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I currently have a JVC RS40 projector. I was waiting for prices to lower and HDR technology to catch up on projectors. If I buy a projector it will most likely be in the $6-8k msrp range. Most likely a JVC or Sony brand.


Is there anything within the next year that will be worth waiting for?
It will be 8 - 9 months before any new projectors are available. I find HDR to work quite well on the current projectors - at least the JVC's ( haven't really had any hand on time with the Sony's or Epson's ).
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My RS520 calibrated has not impressed me with “HDR” so I’m 90% sure the RS540/RS640 will not be much of a improvement to me and I’d like to get some more lumens and contrast out of the next one I buy. I wouldn’t be surprised to see JVC punch out 200,000 contrast for their next top end Lamp based model, with maybe a few more lumens too. If Epson gets on their game we could see a really cool “LS10500” successor.
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It will be 8 - 9 months before any new projectors are available. I find HDR to work quite well on the current projectors - at least the JVC's ( haven't really had any hand on time with the Sony's or Epson's ).
And I am looking into ur “calibration” idea u suggested me in the other thread.
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@Mike Garrett

I see your point, but in my case the JVC has such a film like quality to it that I have never had any desire to replace it. It may not be 4K, but with a nice screen, and CIH lens that I paid 2 grand for, and a darbee enabled BD player it still looks fantastic to me. When it dies some day then obviously I'll upgrade, but I think when you purchase high end gear it's longevity is increased a lot. It's not broke, so theres nothing to fix.

Disclaimer tho, I am without a doubt more of an audiophile than a videophile. My sound system has changed shape many times in that 10 year period.
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@Mike Garrett

I see your point, but in my case the JVC has such a film like quality to it that I have never had any desire to replace it. It may not be 4K, but with a nice screen, and CIH lens that I paid 2 grand for, and a darbee enabled BD player it still looks fantastic to me. When it dies some day then obviously I'll upgrade, but I think when you purchase high end gear it's longevity is increased a lot. It's not broke, so theres nothing to fix.

Disclaimer tho, I am without a doubt more of an audiophile than a videophile. My sound system has changed shape many times in that 10 year period.
An RS1 was a great projector in its day, but image quality has made huge advances since then.

My last four projectors:
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JVC RS4500 (hated selling this, but the year was up)
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I use a CIH AT screen with powered masking. I also use an A-lens. My sound system up until a couple years ago changed regularly. Once I went to a custom baffle wall system, no changes up front. The two 18's in the baffle wall are subs. The three 18's below the screen are the lower mids for my LCR's.
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My RS520 calibrated has not impressed me with “HDR” so I’m 90% sure the RS540/RS640 will not be much of a improvement to me and I’d like to get some more lumens and contrast out of the next one I buy. I wouldn’t be surprised to see JVC punch out 200,000 contrast for their next top end Lamp based model, with maybe a few more lumens too. If Epson gets on their game we could see a really cool “LS10500” successor.
You need custom gamma curves or have Chad B. calibrate your projector then.
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I know guys that bought preorder projectors, kept them nine/ten months and sold for what they paid, or nearly what they paid and repeated the cycle. The other option is to buy a projector long term and have hardly any resale value, when ready to replace. I have looked at the model both ways and it does not seem to cost you any more money. But you need a back up projector to do this because you will find yourself without a projector for a month or two. This is why four years ago, I started replacing my projector every year. It does require more effort to do this.

So let's look at a five year period. Buying a $5,000 projector (preorder price) and let's say you sold it for $300 less. After buying your 5th year projector you have spent $6,200. Now compare to buying $5,000 projector, keep five years and sell for $2,000 (if you are lucky) and then buy another $5,000 projector. You have spent $8,000. Even if you lost $500 each year selling, you still come out ahead.

Let's look at 10 year period. Still using $5,000 projectors. Trading every year with $300 loss means you spent $7,700. Keeping the projector for 10 years means the $5,000 projector is worth around $500. After buying the new $5,000 projector, you have spent $9,500. So even if you lost $500 each year, you still come out ahead, because with the replacement each year, you never buy a new lamp and with keeping the projector for nine years, you certainly purchased a few lamps. On top of that, you are getting to play with the new stuff that comes out, rather than still using an old projector.
This is a pretty good way of looking at things -- of course, if you (pay someone to) calibrate all your new projectors you lose some money there, too. Guess one could just spend the money on calibration gear, lol.
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As Craig said it is going to be awhile before any new pjs are available.

I am not sure if Sony will have anything new this year. JVC and Epson on the other hand are due for updates.

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[QUOTE=coolrda;55944276]I wouldn’t mind one of these.

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I wouldn’t mind one of these.

That's a simulation projector - not really a home theater projector. But, maybe they will make one based on this model - who knows !
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I'm with Mike. I usually upgrade every year and a half. I loose out on 500$ or so, depending on the deal I got but I have connections now that I can get store cost on JVC or sonys (plus I'm in Canada). I think I may go with a Sony this time, only because the last 4 have been JVC's... but who knows.

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An RS1 was a great projector in its day, but image quality has made huge advances since then.



My last four projectors:

Sony VW600ES

JVC RS600

JVC RS4500 (hated selling this, but the year was up)

JVC RS640



I use a CIH AT screen with powered masking. I also use an A-lens. My sound system up until a couple years ago changed regularly. Once I went to a custom baffle wall system, no changes up front. The two 18's in the baffle wall are subs. The three 18's below the screen are the lower mids for my LCR's.

You sold your RS4500?!?!?! Was that to buy more of the crack you been smokin' that made you do that?

What do you know that we don't, Mike?
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I know guys that bought preorder projectors, kept them nine/ten months and sold for what they paid, or nearly what they paid and repeated the cycle. The other option is to buy a projector long term and have hardly any resale value, when ready to replace. I have looked at the model both ways and it does not seem to cost you any more money. But you need a back up projector to do this because you will find yourself without a projector for a month or two. This is why four years ago, I started replacing my projector every year. It does require more effort to do this.

So let's look at a five year period. Buying a $5,000 projector (preorder price) and let's say you sold it for $300 less. After buying your 5th year projector you have spent $6,200. Now compare to buying $5,000 projector, keep five years and sell for $2,000 (if you are lucky) and then buy another $5,000 projector. You have spent $8,000. Even if you lost $500 each year selling, you still come out ahead.

Let's look at 10 year period. Still using $5,000 projectors. Trading every year with $300 loss means you spent $7,700. Keeping the projector for 10 years means the $5,000 projector is worth around $500. After buying the new $5,000 projector, you have spent $9,500. So even if you lost $500 each year, you still come out ahead, because with the replacement each year, you never buy a new lamp and with keeping the projector for nine years, you certainly purchased a few lamps. On top of that, you are getting to play with the new stuff that comes out, rather than still using an old projector.
When I read things like this I can't decide whether you Americans are smart or DAF?
Who would pay $300 less than the "new" price for a 12 month old used unit?
Depreciation is obviously not part of the mindset.
Unfortunately, here , it is hard enough to sell ANYTHING secondhand that you're lucky to get 50% of your money back after 12 months ownership.
I paid $A7000 for my JVC X7000 and it was one of the first to be sold to a consumer in the world ( 1st week Nov,2015).
12 months later they were worth just over $3800 on the local scene.
I'm still REALLY happy with my X7000 and have no desire to trade in, but maybe if I could have sold it for $A6700 in Nov 2016 I'd have contemplated it.
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That's a simulation projector - not really a home theater projector. But, maybe they will make one based on this model - who knows !
It is also "3x" the cost of the Z1/RS4500 ( AUD $120K) ....Oh, thats NOT a rumour either ..... i ask JVC for a price on it..
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I'm with Mike. I usually upgrade every year and a half. I loose out on 500$ or so, depending on the deal I got but I have connections now that I can get store cost on JVC or sonys (plus I'm in Canada). I think I may go with a Sony this time, only because the last 4 have been JVC's... but who knows.
Im back on the yearly upgrade path as well. I'll be selling my 790 over the summer in anticipation of a new JVC Or Sony (maybe Epson if they have something new?) depending on what comes out of Cedia.
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Hi All!
Mike Garrett, I am truly impressed with your technique and if you can pull it off, more power to you! Seems like a lot of leg work to get it done.

The thing I'm curious MOST about is I noticed you got rid of 4500 and "went down" to a 640. Just wanted to know your thought process.

Was it the value of 4500 still high so time to sell? Was it 640 good enough compared to 4500? Is the 4500 price difference not warranted for regular folks for the added features? Or would 640 hold value more relatively speaking?

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By the way I just moved from a used rs 46($1800) from 2011 to a new rs x790 a few months ago and am loving the upgrade. But maybe I should upgrade more frequently like you?

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You sold your RS4500?!?!?! Was that to buy more of the crack you been smokin' that made you do that?

What do you know that we don't, Mike?
If I keep a year, I do not lose money. Plus I like to try out the new stuff.
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Mike Garrett, I am truly impressed with your technique and if you can pull it off, more power to you! Seems like a lot of leg work to get it done.


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Don't forget Mike is probably buying at dealer cost, keeping it for a year and can still sell it as a "Dealer demo unit", thats money in the bank. Not many people will be so lucky.

I doubt that he's losing a penny.

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Mike Garrett, I am truly impressed with your technique and if you can pull it off, more power to you! Seems like a lot of leg work to get it done.

The thing I'm curious MOST about is I noticed you got rid of 4500 and "went down" to a 640. Just wanted to know your thought process.

Was it the value of 4500 still high so time to sell? Was it 640 good enough compared to 4500? Is the 4500 price difference not warranted for regular folks for the added features? Or would 640 hold value more relatively speaking?

Ajay.
By the way I just moved from a used rs 46($1800) from 2011 to a new rs x790 a few months ago and am loving the upgrade. But maybe I should upgrade more frequently like you?

Ajay
I loved the 4500, but it was not the best fit in my room. Due to the 4500's size, I was clipping the very edge of the image with my A-lens and I have a large A-lens. I needed to reduce the masking one inch on my screen to hide this. But I sell after a year, because the price is still high enough, that I can get my money back. That allows me to be able to buy the next new thing. The 640 is a great projector, but it is definitely no 4500. I can easily see the difference and I am anxious to see if anything new is announced at CEDIA. Hopefully I will be shopping, though Pharmacy school for my daughter is expensive, so will have to see what I feel comfortable spending.
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Don't forget Mike is probably buying at dealer cost, keeping it for a year and can still sell it as a "Dealer demo unit", thats money in the bank. Not many people will be so lucky.

I doubt that he's losing a penny.
And somebody gets a great deal on a slightly used projector.

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When I read things like this I can't decide whether you Americans are smart or DAF?
Who would pay $300 less than the "new" price for a 12 month old used unit?
Depreciation is obviously not part of the mindset.
Unfortunately, here , it is hard enough to sell ANYTHING secondhand that you're lucky to get 50% of your money back after 12 months ownership.
I paid $A7000 for my JVC X7000 and it was one of the first to be sold to a consumer in the world ( 1st week Nov,2015).
12 months later they were worth just over $3800 on the local scene.
I'm still REALLY happy with my X7000 and have no desire to trade in, but maybe if I could have sold it for $A6700 in Nov 2016 I'd have contemplated it.
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Notice I said purchased at a preorder price. That can be several hundred below regular price. Then also notice I said people would most likely lose $300 to $500 selling. Also notice I said 9 to 10 months, not 12 months. If you wait 12 months, the new models are out and your selling price will be lower. I have known people that have done this successfully, for several years. Some years it works out better than others, but when you look at the numbers vs keeping several years until the old projector is completely worthless and buying new, you see that it is no worse, money wise.
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Mike,
Thanks for the reply and your Selling/buying theories.
I wish i would have applied this to my htc vive so i could a got the htc pro😖😳 cheaper. I usually buy slightly used and try to sell later but it seems selling sooner is better.
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Originally Posted by Mike Garrett View Post
And somebody gets a great deal on a slightly used projector.
Oh I know they do.

I bought my last projector from you, though not your personal one, and will be knocking on your door for closeout pricing on the RS4500 when the time is right.
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