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Sony VPL-VW285ES or Epson 5040UB?

If price was the same for both projectors, which would you choose? The reviews I have read have the Epson with the better picture, but I'd like some real world opinions. Not considering JVC at this time. Thank you.

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I'm not sure where you have read those reviews. About the only advantage the Epson will have is that it's brighter which may matter on a 150" screen. I'll be upgrading my projector this fall and have a 150" 16:9 screen and the only reason I'm not considering the Sony 285 is it just isn't bright enough. Sony is consistent with their high quality picture, high price, low lumens. There isn't a quality reviewer on here that will give the picture advantage to the Epson.
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Having a good HDR picture with the Sony on a 150" screen is going to be tough. It's not bright enough for that.

Another point against the Sony is that it doesn't have a dynamic iris.

Other than that IMO the Sony is the better projector.

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Having a good HDR picture with the Sony on a 150" screen is going to be tough. It's not bright enough for that.
Is 135" more reasonable with the 285 Sony?
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Sony VPL-VW285ES is a lot better PQ than epson 5040.
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Is 135" more reasonable with the 285 Sony?
Yes, that seems better.

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Sony 285ES shows a much better picture than the Epson 5040UB. They are not in the same league. The 5040UB is a mid tier projector while the 285ES is a entry level high end projector. The Epson 5040 throws a good picture however the Sony 285ES shows a stunning, detailed image.
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If price was the same for both projectors, which would you choose? The reviews I have read have the Epson with the better picture, but I'd like some real world opinions. Not considering JVC at this time. Thank you.

Dark environment with no ambient light
Movies only, no gaming, maybe an occasional football game
Approximately 150" screen
Sony throws better image, but at your screen size, the Epson is the better choice. Funny that you are not considering the JVC, since "Dark environment with no ambient light, Movies only" means the JVC would provide the best image. If you insist on 150" screen size and between the Sony and Epson, then go with Epson, but keep in mind with that size screen, HDR will not perform well.
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Sony throws better image, but at your screen size, the Epson is the better choice. Funny that you are not considering the JVC, since "Dark environment with no ambient light, Movies only" means the JVC would provide the best image. If you insist on 150" screen size and between the Sony and Epson, then go with Epson, but keep in mind with that size screen, HDR will not perform well.
Thanks Mike. I plan to go with a 135” screen now instead of pushing for the 150”. I’m also leaning towards the 285 and hope this screen size is closer to its sweet spot for performance.

To be clear, I know the JVC provides a stunning picture, but I have specific reasons why I am looking at the Sony and Epson at this time. My choice has nothing to do with JVC. I sincerely appreciate your input.
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Thanks Mike. I plan to go with a 135” screen now instead of pushing for the 150”. I’m also leaning towards the 285 and hope this screen size is closer to its sweet spot for performance.

To be clear, I know the JVC provides a stunning picture, but I have specific reasons why I am looking at the Sony and Epson at this time. My choice has nothing to do with JVC. I sincerely appreciate your input.
Get the Sony over the Epson if you can. Do a rough estimate of yearly usage and calculate your lamp costs as well.
The Sony could be quadruple the price or more over the Epson after you factor in lamp costs long-term for as long as you may use the projector.

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Thanks Mike. I plan to go with a 135” screen now instead of pushing for the 150”. I’m also leaning towards the 285 and hope this screen size is closer to its sweet spot for performance.

To be clear, I know the JVC provides a stunning picture, but I have specific reasons why I am looking at the Sony and Epson at this time. My choice has nothing to do with JVC. I sincerely appreciate your input.
In my opinion, you can't have a very large screen and a high contrast projector. You can pair a large screen with a high lumen, low contrast projector. Or you can pair a smaller screen with a high contrast projector.

Pairing a very large projector with a lower lumen, high contrast projector will result in a dim image. It sucks but projector technology is lagging so far behind that this is our choice until high contrast laser projectors become more affordable. JVC and Sony projectors are not bright. Most of the professional reviews list their peak lumens at 1300-1500 lumens in high lamp mode using a accurate color mode.

They try to fool potential customers using torch mode lumen numbers on the box. But the reviews tell the true tale that none of the top tier lamp based projectors from Sony or Jvc are very bright. Not to mention serious bulb dimming after the first 1000 hours. I normally change my bulb every 2000 hours to preserve adequate brightness. But that is very hard to do with $500 and up bulbs from JVC.
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In my opinion, you can't have a very large screen and a high contrast projector. You can pair a large screen with a high lumen, low contrast projector. Or you can pair a smaller screen with a high contrast projector.

Pairing a very large projector with a lower lumen, high contrast projector will result in a dim image. It sucks but projector technology is lagging so far behind that this is our choice until high contrast laser projectors become more affordable. JVC and Sony projectors are not bright. Most of the professional reviews list their peak lumens at 1300-1500 lumens in high lamp mode using a accurate color mode.

They try to fool potential customers using torch mode lumen numbers on the box. But the reviews tell the true tale that none of the top tier lamp based projectors from Sony or Jvc are very bright. Not to mention serious bulb dimming after the first 1000 hours. I normally change my bulb every 2000 hours to preserve adequate brightness. But that is very hard to do with $500 and up bulbs from JVC.

There seems to be some truth to this. I went from the Epson 5030 a couple years ago to the 3700 and have been very pleased with it. I realize if I did a side by side the 5030 has better contrast but that's not how I watch sports/movies and the increased lumens really makes the colors pop and the screen shine. As I said earlier on my 150" I've ruled out the Sony 285/385 because a sharp dull picture doesn't sound all that appealing. The Epson 5040 has a nice blend of increased resolution/contrast over the 3700 without giving up a ton of lumens on the screen and for watching sports (about 50% of my viewing) it has that other gear if needed. I am waiting to see if JVC does anything different at Cedia and will then be deciding between the JVC 540 and Epson 5040 assuming the Epson does add the 18Gbps HDMI. If I were just watching movies in a home theater the JVC would be the easy winner but I watch a lot of sports with the lights on as well and I'd like that other brighter mode to switch to. I'm not sure what else under 5K is the best choice for a 150" 50% sports 50% movies projector besides what I've listed.
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In my opinion, you can't have a very large screen and a high contrast projector. You can pair a large screen with a high lumen, low contrast projector. Or you can pair a smaller screen with a high contrast projector.

Pairing a very large projector with a lower lumen, high contrast projector will result in a dim image. It sucks but projector technology is lagging so far behind that this is our choice until high contrast laser projectors become more affordable. JVC and Sony projectors are not bright. Most of the professional reviews list their peak lumens at 1300-1500 lumens in high lamp mode using a accurate color mode.

They try to fool potential customers using torch mode lumen numbers on the box. But the reviews tell the true tale that none of the top tier lamp based projectors from Sony or Jvc are very bright. Not to mention serious bulb dimming after the first 1000 hours. I normally change my bulb every 2000 hours to preserve adequate brightness. But that is very hard to do with $500 and up bulbs from JVC.
The newer JVCs (from 2016+) do 1600-1700 calibrated in high lamp at 6500K and do not lose that many lumens after 1000 hours. They are remarkably stable lamps actually with very minimal drift and light loss compared to other lamps.

I'm getting nearly 32 ftL, around 20,000:1 native contrast with my RS440 on a 9 foot wide 1.0 gain screen. Far from dim.
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The newer JVCs (from 2016+) do 1600-1700 calibrated in high lamp at 6500K and do not lose that many lumens after 1000 hours. They are remarkably stable lamps actually with very minimal drift and light loss compared to other lamps.

I'm getting nearly 32 ftL, around 20,000:1 native contrast with my RS440 on a 9 foot wide 1.0 gain screen. Far from dim.
"Do not lose many lumens" means different things to different people. What % would you say they lose after 1,000 hours? 1,600-1,700 is acceptable on my 150" figuring that gives me about 25fl at peak with my screen. The question is how far does that drop off 1,000 hours later.
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The newer JVCs (from 2016+) do 1600-1700 calibrated in high lamp at 6500K and do not lose that many lumens after 1000 hours. They are remarkably stable lamps actually with very minimal drift and light loss compared to other lamps.

I'm getting nearly 32 ftL, around 20,000:1 native contrast with my RS440 on a 9 foot wide 1.0 gain screen. Far from dim.
Just wondering, you're saying that there's minimal lamp loss running the JVC at the full max brightness for a full 1000 hours consistently. It's not that you've run the projector at eco mode for most of the time.

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"Do not lose many lumens" means different things to different people. What % would you say they lose after 1,000 hours? 1,600-1,700 is acceptable on my 150" figuring that gives me about 25fl at peak with my screen. The question is how far does that drop off 1,000 hours later.
My RS500 was measuring 1750 lumens on high, 1270 lumens on low at 3000 hours on the bulb. JVC bulbs can be very good. I ran it on low the entire time to get to the 3000 hours, btw.

My friend currently has this installed in his theater with a 185" 1.3g screen and runs it on low lamp for all non-HDR content.

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Is 135" more reasonable with the 285 Sony?
I had a 285ES on a 135" screen and it was pretty good. I'd definitely give that the thumbs up way before getting an epson. My only complaint was lack of iris so not great blacks. But it wasn't terrible either - probably better than the epson.

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My RS500 was measuring 1750 lumens on high, 1270 lumens on low at 3000 hours on the bulb. JVC bulbs can be very good. I ran it on low the entire time to get to the 3000 hours, btw.

My friend currently has this installed in his theater with a 185" 1.3g screen and runs it on low lamp for all non-HDR content.
That would be less lumen loss than some LASER projectors @ 3000 hours.

That would be a fluke. I wouldn't go by that for an average.

The problem is so many people that use JVC's rarely even put that many hours on them.
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In my opinion, you can't have a very large screen and a high contrast projector. You can pair a large screen with a high lumen, low contrast projector. Or you can pair a smaller screen with a high contrast projector.

Pairing a very large projector with a lower lumen, high contrast projector will result in a dim image. It sucks but projector technology is lagging so far behind that this is our choice until high contrast laser projectors become more affordable. JVC and Sony projectors are not bright. Most of the professional reviews list their peak lumens at 1300-1500 lumens in high lamp mode using a accurate color mode.

They try to fool potential customers using torch mode lumen numbers on the box. But the reviews tell the true tale that none of the top tier lamp based projectors from Sony or Jvc are very bright. Not to mention serious bulb dimming after the first 1000 hours. I normally change my bulb every 2000 hours to preserve adequate brightness. But that is very hard to do with $500 and up bulbs from JVC.
135" is more than fine on a JVC, even the Sony as well.
150" would be pushing it a bit, but it all depends on how many times he wants to replace the lamp.

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Thanks Mike. I plan to go with a 135” screen now instead of pushing for the 150”. I’m also leaning towards the 285 and hope this screen size is closer to its sweet spot for performance.

To be clear, I know the JVC provides a stunning picture, but I have specific reasons why I am looking at the Sony and Epson at this time. My choice has nothing to do with JVC. I sincerely appreciate your input.
Sony, hands down. I have a 133" and was using a 6040UB before I went to the 285 and picture quality and colors were a huge upgrade. Mine is a dedicated HT with controlled light and it's plenty bright, even on low lamp. There wasn't anything bad about the 6040 but the Sony looks so much better to me.

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135" is more than fine on a JVC, even the Sony as well.
150" would be pushing it a bit, but it all depends on how many times he wants to replace the lamp.

Coder you seem to be the lumens expert. If I'm looking to stay under 5K and value the following which projector leads the pack for you.
1.) About 50% sports 50% movies and I'll watch the sports with some lighting on in the room.
2.) Its more of a sports bar / media room but for movies it can get dark. It's in a basement and I've painted all the walls and ceiling a dark grey in the viewing area. Outside light and reflection are not an issue when it's movie time.
3.) I do enjoy 3D
4.) Looking to upgrade to 4k/eshift/whatever is above 1080p.
5.) Minimal gaming. Not a priority.
6.) Screen is a 150" 16:9 Carada Brilliant White. I'll just use the latest Accucal screen report and call the gain 1.04. Close enough.
7.) The other pertinent info is "I got a guy" I can get JVC and Sony projectors from at about 25% off so that brings the JVC 540 into play in the price range. I'll also only consider the Epson 5040/6040 if they do the HDMI 18Gbps upgrade as rumored this fall.


So based on the info above what do you consider the best fit? I'm currently using an Epson 3700 and really enjoy the extra lumen pop and am making the change to finally take advantage of 4K. I realize I'm missing out on blacks with this projector but I've never ever been bothered by the current black level.
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"Do not lose many lumens" means different things to different people. What % would you say they lose after 1,000 hours? 1,600-1,700 is acceptable on my 150" figuring that gives me about 25fl at peak with my screen. The question is how far does that drop off 1,000 hours later.
What projector are you suggesting the poster to use? The Epson 5040, when calibrated is not any brighter than the JVC? Around 1,600/1,700 calibrated lumens is around the max you get when looking at 5K and less HT projectors.
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Coder you seem to be the lumens expert. If I'm looking to stay under 5K and value the following which projector leads the pack for you.
1.) About 50% sports 50% movies and I'll watch the sports with some lighting on in the room.
2.) Its more of a sports bar / media room but for movies it can get dark. It's in a basement and I've painted all the walls and ceiling a dark grey in the viewing area. Outside light and reflection are not an issue when it's movie time.
3.) I do enjoy 3D
4.) Looking to upgrade to 4k/eshift/whatever is above 1080p.
5.) Minimal gaming. Not a priority.
6.) Screen is a 150" 16:9 Carada Brilliant White. I'll just use the latest Accucal screen report and call the gain 1.04. Close enough.
7.) The other pertinent info is "I got a guy" I can get JVC and Sony projectors from at about 25% off so that brings the JVC 540 into play in the price range. I'll also only consider the Epson 5040/6040 if they do the HDMI 18Gbps upgrade as rumored this fall.

So based on the info above what do you consider the best fit? I'm currently using an Epson 3700 and really enjoy the extra lumen pop and am making the change to finally take advantage of 4K. I realize I'm missing out on blacks with this projector but I've never ever been bothered by the current black level.
I would lean towards the JVC RS-540 in your case. I would not go by pricing from just 1 dealer, also give Mike Garrett (above) a call or send him a PM and compare pricing.

Technically though, the best fit in your case would be a 2 projector solution if you can fit it, but I know some people are against 2 projectors.
Viewsonic and Benq often have sales where you can get a 1080p projector for under $500 (that's less than the cost of 1 Sony or JVC lamp).

So what I'd do is use a DLP projector for sports in ambient lighting, and use a JVC or Sony for movies.
You can run the DLP projector in High Lamp mode without feeling guilty about burning through $400 to $600 lamps.

Otherwise, if you want to just have 1 projector, that is fine as well, just keep in mind that at 150", you'll be replacing the lamp more than some do.
My personal belief is having 2 projectors is cheaper than 1 projector over the long haul, because of the cost of the JVC or Sony lamps.

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Or just keep your Epson 3700 for Sports and add the JVC as a secondary projector.
You can watch sports on the JVC too if you want, but for a lot of sports you can use the Epson 3700 to save on the JVC lamps.

That's what I'd do.

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Or just keep your Epson 3700 for Sports and add the JVC as a secondary projector.
You can watch sports on the JVC too if you want, but for a lot of sports you can use the Epson 3700 to save on the JVC lamps.

That's what I'd do.
That makes a lot of sense. Because I ceiling mount my projector the logistics of that are a bit challenging but I'll see what I can come up with. I'll also wait until after CEDIA to see if JVC does a refresh of any kind on the 540.
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