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What is possible of course, is that the eshift line is also updated and more significant than we expect, but I doubt this will happen.
Indeed, in a way an outwardly more conservative offering from JVC - that offered the existing techs with some of the quality / sample variability issues ironed out - would be more satisfying.

I'd actually be completely satisfied in my viewing environment with an excellent convergence, quieter high-contrast eShift unit with fast HDMI sync times. It is really a shame that the 4K number has become "a thing" as the pursuit of this number is a detractor from improvements in other factors.
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That is the 64 million dollar question. Personally, I doubt they would have made significant strides at the chip level when it comes to native contrast. However they will have bound to have implemented few methods to compensate.

In light of that, would the compensatory methods used give acceptable results. A clue would be how the buyers of the RS4500 'see' their projector perform. They seem quite happy. Only one or two wish the native contrast was better.

Native contrast with the native 4k chips will steadily get better over time, but it will take some time, so I put my money where my thoughts are and bought a RS640/X9900 courtesy of Javs. I've been spoilt with a native contrast of in excess of 100,000:1 with my current JVC -15, small 2.4 gain 106" screen.

I'm hoping I did the right thing. In 9 more days, I'll know, either I'll kick my self or congratulate myself , if I'm wrong it won't be too bad, I'll enjoy this unit for a few years and upgrade down the track when the 4k chip is more mature and laser engines have ditched the phosphor wheel.

Always wondered about the phosphor wheel, does it continue to emit light for several milliseconds after the laser power is cut?
I also just bought the x9900 and am in the same boat of either kick or congratulate!! This is my first pj, so am looking forward to working out which screen to buy and get it all set up. With the current specials on in Aus, the price was just too good to pass up. Did you get yours from Oztheatre?
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Did you get yours from Oztheatre?
Nope.

But you should definitely hit them up for a screen, they make EXCELLENT and neutral screens. I have one myself.

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Nope.

But you should definitely hit them up for a screen, they make EXCELLENT and neutral screens. I have one myself.
I didn't get mine from them either as Im in Sydney and figured I'd stay local for the pj purchase. Thanks for the tip, I will have a look at their screens. Im in my screen research phase and trying to work my way through the marketing BS!!!! Still on the ALR or not journey.
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Still on the ALR or not journey.
My own view... IF you can't fix the room, AND the projection parameters don't exclude ALR on the basis of hotspotting (ie throw > ~1.8x screen width), AND you're not sat too close for the texture imparted by the ALR in case to be objectionable (check a sample screen) then ALR is a no-brainer.
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My own view... IF you can't fix the room, AND the projection parameters don't exclude ALR on the basis of hotspotting (ie throw > ~1.8x screen width), AND you're not sat too close for the texture imparted by the ALR in case to be objectionable (check a sample screen) then ALR is a no-brainer.
Thanks for the metrics. I would be putting in a 120 inch screen and have the projector mounted at about 3.8m with seating at about 4m, so that all fits in within your specs. The room will be reasonably dark, but not a cave.
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I also just bought the x9900 and am in the same boat of either kick or congratulate!! This is my first pj, so am looking forward to working out which screen to buy and get it all set up. With the current specials on in Aus, the price was just too good to pass up. Did you get yours from Oztheatre?
No. I did however get it from a very knowledgeable and helpful outfit called Javelin Audio!

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No. I did however get it from a very knowledgeable and helpful outfit called Javelin Audio!

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BTW Just watched Lucy(again)on the old HD750/RS20, I was lucky and scored a HD990/RS35 light engine back in 2009 when the light engine failed. I'm still blown away with the old unit. Can't wait to see how the X9900 does in comparison.

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Thanks mate. Im really looking forward to deciding on a screen and getting everything installed so I can start messing around with the pj. As its my first one, I reckon I have a lot to learn. I was impressed with how the image looked on the wall when I was testing it a few nights ago, so reckon its going to be sensational when all set up!!

Enjoy yours as well, and hopefully the new release isn't too far ahead of the current models!!!!!
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Thanks mate. Im really looking forward to deciding on a screen and getting everything installed so I can start messing around with the pj. As its my first one, I reckon I have a lot to learn. I was impressed with how the image looked on the wall when I was testing it a few nights ago, so reckon its going to be sensational when all set up!!

Enjoy yours as well, and hopefully the new release isn't too far ahead of the current models!!!!!
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I am currently using a RS500. Actively considering a 4500. I have used a Panamorph U480 lens (plus sled) for my last 4 or 5 projectors but it is probably NOT well suited to the 4500 and I'm not inclined to spend the many thousands necessary to buy one of the more suitable Panamorph lens. My screen is 120" x 51", gain of ~1, XD material, and throw distance of about 17 feet. In a complete light controlled room, will I get enough output, for a zoomed 2:35 image, to get a great HDR image and not be "required" to use an "A" lens?

Also, trying to find the correct mounting bracket for this projector. Is THIS the correct one?

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So do we want to place bets on what "be the first" means? I will get my hopes up and say it's Dolby Vision.
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So do we want to place bets on what "be the first" means? I will get my hopes up and say it's Dolby Vision.
I would be willing to take that bet.
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So do we want to place bets on what "be the first" means? I will get my hopes up and say it's Dolby Vision.
"Be the first" lowering native contrast compared to the previous e-shift 5 generation of projectors for the sake of Native 4K
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So do we want to place bets on what "be the first" means? I will get my hopes up and say it's Dolby Vision.
Can't happen. Dolby hasn't certified DolbyVision for Home Theater projection systems yet. Can't get a valid license from Dolby without them developing a standard for Home Theater.

I don't even know if DolbyVision will ever come to Home Theater projectors. Only time will tell but it can't happen this year at CEDIA.
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So do we want to place bets on what "be the first" means? I will get my hopes up and say it's Dolby Vision.
Very doubtful.

Let's hope for something that would be genuinely exciting and advancing the category... first dual modulation 4K consumer projector? That would get the contrast up for lamp based 4K above and beyond current units.

The HTGeeks interview with Rod from JVC a while ago covered it.

Interesting thought; why would he choose to talk about tech in an interview which JVC don't offer and weren't planning to offer...?
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So do we want to place bets on what "be the first" means? I will get my hopes up and say it's Dolby Vision.

We have posted about this and I think it has to be about being first to 8K (eshift) in the new 4500 model.



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We have posted about this and I think it has to be about being first to 8K (eshift) in the new 4500 model.



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That would be the most disappointing to me, I really, really hope that's not what it is.
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Very doubtful.


Interesting thought; why would he choose to talk about tech in an interview which JVC don't offer and weren't planning to offer...?
The JVC chief engineer shares almost the same name as Rod Serling from the Twilight Zone.

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NEW JVC Native 4K Lamp-Based Projectors at IFA & CEDIA 2018 | Anticipation Thread

JVC ... please don’t offer new native 4K lamp based projectors with forced 8K eshift. At least allow us to turn off eshift.


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JVC needs some new marketing lingo to differentiate themselves from Sony. That has to be eshift 8K since 99% of consumers only read 8K and they believe it’s better.

It gives dealers something to help them sell JVC.


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If they make it forced eshift, I will absolutely not buy one.
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If they make it forced eshift, I will absolutely not buy one.
Do you currently always leave e-shift off, or just some of the time?

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Do you currently always leave e-shift off, or just some of the time?

Current JVC models do not allow eshift to be off if fed a 4K signal.


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Do you currently always leave e-shift off, or just some of the time?
Off for 1080p content. I don't like the noise it makes.
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Off for 1080p content. I don't like the noise it makes.

Agree ... if JVC forces eshift I will put my money with Sony and never look back.... unless eshift is not audible over the low fan mode.


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Is e-shift that noisy? My projector is only 4.5' from my seating position but it's dead silent even in high lamp mode.

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Is e-shift that noisy? My projector is only 4.5' from my seating position but it's dead silent even in high lamp mode.

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MY RS420 is about the same distance from my head and eshift is loud enough to annoy me. High lamp mode is way too loud. The first time I put in an HDR movie and the projector kicked into high lamp mode, my wife ask why it was so angry all of the sudden
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Is e-shift that noisy? My projector is only 4.5' from my seating position but it's dead silent even in high lamp mode.



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You are in an open area with lots of noise coming through windows, exterior door etc. I am in a soundproofed theater room so even the low fan is audible. High fan sounds like a lawn blower


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MY RS420 is about the same distance from my head and eshift is loud enough to annoy me. High lamp mode is way too loud. The first time I put in an HDR movie and the projector kicked into high lamp mode, my wife ask why it was so angry all of the sudden
That is weird @Buddylee123 . My RS420 is 4 ft above my head, and is dead silent in low lamp. I can hear a little noise in high lamp when the dialogue is soft and no action scenes. Otherwise the only real noise I hear is when the RS420 boots up.
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I've heard probably a dozen JVC RSxxx units, most of them in well sorted or dedicated rooms, and I have yet to hear the e-shift buzz. It supposed to sound like an electric razor. I imagine it's unit to unit variance. But it can't be terribly common or I've just gotten very lucky to sample units without it. My hearing is still good to around 12-14KHz.

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