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So if an RS640 is 30K contrast wide open shouldnt we expect 15k for RS2000 and 7.5k for RS1000?
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I don't think anyone asked for it to look GAWD AWFUL.
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As long as I bought a Ushio NSHA250JK, am I winning the lottery?
Maybe, maybe not. Bare lamps seem to vary widely. It's like the good quality ones are bought by the manufacturers and the rejects go out as bare lamps. They don't seem as consistent. But they are cheap.
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Ushio makes high quality bulbs so be sure to buy the OEM Ushio bulb mentioned in this thread and
not some cheap knockoff.

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While that is useful for the side walls, the back wall must present more of an issue I guess with a >1.0 gain screen?
Yes and no. Depends on how close and how reflective.
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@Mike Garrett - how can I contact you? Can’t find your email address anywhere.
Have you tried looking at his posts. There is one just above with his e-mail clearly displayed a the bottom??????


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I don't think anyone asked for it to look GAWD AWFUL.
What do you mean? Kris looked at and measured one. At the time it was the best lamp based projector JVC made. Are you referring to the one over in Europe that arrived damaged and had to be sent back?
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So if an RS640 is 30K contrast wide open shouldnt we expect 15k for RS2000 and 7.5k for RS1000?
Not what I am expecting.
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My only reason for doubting this at all is that there are 760ES owners that think that machine has great black levels and it for sure doesn't.

I have had my friends 760ES here on several occasions , The 760ES has NO WAY near the black level performance of the Z1/RS4500....my friend agrees 100% with this.

What is interesting though , is my friend came from an X9500, apart from very low APL performance he MUCH prefers the 760ES over the X9500 because of it many other strong points.
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What do you mean? Kris looked at and measured one. At the time it was the best lamp based projector JVC made. Are you referring to the one over in Europe that arrived damaged and had to be sent back?
I think he is simply referring to the color/finish (glossy/tacky red)

I'm sure the price had something to do with the lack of interest. It was clearly one of the last eshift models, saving money for a 4K model was the clever thing to do. Had they brought it to market a couple of years ago, in black, then the story might have been different. There's no way I'd put a projector that's not black (preferably non glossy) in my dedicated room.

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Not what I am expecting.
Mike, Maybe you or Arrow or Javs can explain why reducing the brightness and enhancing native contrast via the manual iris is any different than turning down the lamp setting or applying the light reducing P3 color filter? I am a bit confused by this.

In other words, lets assume the P3 color filter reduces light output by 30%, if I reduce the total light output using the manual iris by 30% and have the P3 filter off, does it enhance contrast more than say running the iris wide open but turning the P3 filter on? Likewise if the low lamp setting is 30% less than high lamp, is contrast enhanced more by running on high lamp with iris reducing light output by 30%, or by running iris wide open but on low lamp?

Is there something different that the JVC does with the iris that enhances contrast even if the total light output is matched with another setting without stopping down the iris as much?

The reason I am asking is because I have a Cima Neve 110" 16:9 screen, 1.1 gain, my room is dark gray and light controlled, my throw is about 14 feet. I am getting the RS3000 and it should have plenty of brightness for my setup. Right now I have a Sony 385 at 1350 Lumens calibrated and it is plenty bright.

However, I am wondering for HDR whether it is better for deeper blacks and yet to have good color volume to run the RS3000 on high lamp, color filter engaged, and iris set to stop down total light output to a reasonable 30 FL level. Or should I go with high lamp, P3 filter off, iris set lower still and screen brightness set closer to 40 FL. Would my blacks be better in the second setting, and yet still have very bright highlights, thus improving contrast ratio?
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I think he is simply referring to the color/finish (glossy/tacky red)

I'm sure the price had something to do with the lack of interest. It was clearly one of the last eshift models, saving money for a 4K model was the clever thing to do. Had they brought it to market a couple of years ago, in black, then the story might have been different. There's no way I'd put a projector that's not black (preferably non glossy) in my dedicated room.
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What do you mean? Kris looked at and measured one. At the time it was the best lamp based projector JVC made. Are you referring to the one over in Europe that arrived damaged and had to be sent back?
As manni01 says, just the finish says everything you need to know about the product; we had to make it red to be interesting. And maybe it passes for style in some parts of the world, but it just makes me want to hurl.
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As manni01 says, just the finish says everything you need to know about the product; we had to make it red to be interesting. And maybe it passes for style in some parts of the world, but it just makes me want to hurl.
They should have made it black with maybe a thin, dull red racing stripe around it instead.
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Yeah I might cave ,but to even try it I will have to track down and buy a drive that can rip UHD (I already have a drive but its not on the compatibility list). My main issue being when I watch movies, I want to sit down and watch it, not get into the black hole of constantly tweaking, or have PC issues that always seem to pop up.
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I have a 540 and I'm seriously considering buying the nx7 and selling my 540. I just bought it like 4 months ago - I knew I should have waited! Does anyone know the input lag on these new ones? Im game on my projector about 50% of the time and the lack of true 4k is killing me.
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So if an RS640 is 30K contrast wide open shouldnt we expect 15k for RS2000 and 7.5k for RS1000?
Why would you expect numbers that low? The RS1000 is rated 40,000:1 with 1800 lumens - identical in both ways to the RS440 which does 15,000:1 with iris wide open. Of course, the RS2000 should have even higher contrast with the iris wide open.
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How much would you be willing to pay for a magic off-the-shelf box (not a HTPC) that enabled you to run madVR on ALL your sources, with 3D LUT calibration, scaling, and dynamic frame by frame HDR tone mapping? Same question for all my fellow AVS members (not just grendelrt).
I'd be interested. Let's say $500, since that is what an Oppo 203 ran.
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No more than $1,500 bit preferably around $500 or less.


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How much would you be willing to pay for a magic off-the-shelf box (not a HTPC) that enabled you to run madVR on ALL your sources, with 3D LUT calibration, scaling, and dynamic frame by frame HDR tone mapping? Same question for all my fellow AVS members (not just grendelrt).
My Delta would be $500-1000 since that is how much I would spend for a comparable DIY PC (HTPC) that does all that. Heck, if madshi could just make madvr work on a Shield I would send him the $$$.
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I have a 540 and I'm seriously considering buying the nx7 and selling my 540. I just bought it like 4 months ago - I knew I should have waited! Does anyone know the input lag on these new ones? Im game on my projector about 50% of the time and the lack of true 4k is killing me.

I will be very interested to hear your thoughts if you switch to the NX7. I game using PS4 Pro and Xbox one x sitting 12.5 ft from my 118” wide 2.40:1 screen which gives me just over 100” 16x9.

My JVC x570/RS420 is so sharp I can’t imagine gaining anything by moving to 4K at my viewing distance for games. But maybe I will.

For movies I expect a very slight improvement for cinemascope (2.35:1, 2.39:1, 2.40:1, etc) since I zoom to fill the 2.40 aspect ratio.


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Would sure like $500, but then thought of cost of a good graphics coat alone, seems tough to achieve, so $1000-$1500, but would like to have USB or online update if spending that kind of money.


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How much would you be willing to pay for a magic off-the-shelf box (not a HTPC) that enabled you to run madVR on ALL your sources, with 3D LUT calibration, scaling, and dynamic frame by frame HDR tone mapping? Same question for all my fellow AVS members (not just grendelrt).
There are major hurdles which are pretty insurmountable with available hardware to doing this with MadVR as it currently stands; the biggest is getting HDCP protected video into the computer, through MadVR, and out again, in a way which HDMI.org would deem acceptably secure.

If you remove the requirement to support HDCP (ie you'll use some kind of external device to strip HDCP coming in) then you've still got the not insignificant cost of a suitable HDMI capture solution, plus all the high-end PC hardware.

The reality is that doing this with PC hardware will leave you with a product which has a higher bill of materials than the Lumagen Pro products.
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I would pay up to $1k
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I’m listening.
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I know for a fact that when i ran my X9500 and X9900 i was getting in the vicinity of 30,000:1 certainly NO way near the "160,00:1" as with the iris fully closed. .....
Ok, based on your observation 9500/9900 of 30k open iris, wouldn't we expect something around these numbers for the new units at open iris?

nx9 - 18.5k
n7 - 15k
n5 - 9.4k

If no, why not? If yes, Mike has said we would notice double the contrast, so we would notice the difference between the n7 and 640/990/9900.

In my bat cave ht, i could notice the difference between the 520 and 990, at -5 manual iris on both projectors and also with iris wide open on both. So, i expect I'd also notice the difference between the nx9 and 990.

I agree many things go into the viewing experience, but on off contrast has been near or at the top of "our" list. Granted when on off contrast is a superior statistic, maybe that was a factor in giving it greater priority.

The current on off contrast advantage of the new JVC units over the Sony product is one of the reasons given to choose the JVC. What is the delta on the new JVCs and SONYs? Don't we expect the Sony units to be in the 5k-15k range iris wide open?

It would just seem you can't have it both ways. On off contrast either matters and should be factored in, or it doesn't.

Will the total package provided on the n5, n7 and nx9 redefine the standard and the aesthetic? I'd conceed for many absolutely yes, but others maybe not so much.

I feel i risk very little to wait and see how things shake out. I simply request we not move the goal posts in order to serve a new narrative.
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How much would you be willing to pay for a magic off-the-shelf box (not a HTPC) that enabled you to run madVR on ALL your sources, with 3D LUT calibration, scaling, and dynamic frame by frame HDR tone mapping? Same question for all my fellow AVS members (not just grendelrt).
I will agree with most others, probably around 500-800. I am looking into doing MADVR now since I already have a 1080ti hooked up to my projector, but an all in one set it and forget solution with no ripping would be optimal.
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Why would you expect numbers that low? The RS1000 is rated 40,000:1 with 1800 lumens - identical in both ways to the RS440 which does 15,000:1 with iris wide open. Of course, the RS2000 should have even higher contrast with the iris wide open.
I was just doing the math. if the rs640 wide open is 30k i was thinking the rs2000 would be 1/2 of that.

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