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^ You forgot fade to black. - 4500.
If NX9 blacks are as good as my RS640, I'd consider it a wash. It takes more than 10 seconds for me to see *anything* over here on a fade to black.
Edit: I have also noticed that fade-to-black is much darker than hitting the "hide" button on my remote.

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Great feedback guys. I should be able to post more about this tomorrow.
A good frame interpolation plug in would also be appreciated like Dmitri Render _ something, as with MadVR, that can be upgraded and be perpetually improved upon with out having to spend upwards of 8 grand or more every 2 or 3 years on a new projector.

The other problem with these free and unlicensed apps are just that, we are forced to use grey area software to utilize them.
It's a worry that there is a huge force out there that is doing everything in its power to stop this, and one day, it may come to an end.

So with that said, I would gladly pay 1000.00 or 2000.00$ for a box with said applications that would work with all the latest protections in place with out having to resort using grey-ware to use them.

All it would take is for these free players to be licensed would it not ????

I would easily pay the same price for MPC-HC as with Power DVD.
And it would only be fair that Madshi and Dmitri Render would get a piece of the pie.
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It's a worry that there is a huge force out there that is doing everything in its power to stop this, and one day, it may come to an end.
DRM has *never* beaten the hackers on any platform. You have a company with a couple security guys working against a whole world of talented hackers that want to accomplish something. I'm not suggesting anything illegal. I'm only pointing out DRM never wins.
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DRM has *never* beaten the hackers on any platform. You have a company with a couple security guys working against a whole world of talented hackers that want to accomplish something. I'm not suggesting anything illegal. I'm only pointing out DRM never wins.
Nothing here illegal either, I have all my own discs.

OK, but you have to admit that the DRM came pretty close with AACS 2.0/2.1 etc...
And even then, it's not just plug and play, still a few hoops to jump through.
If everyone would just play nice, it could be.

Probably asking and expecting too much.
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That is not correct. A pre-order, by definition, will continue till they are released......
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I have the NX-7 on order. I have a few thoughts about aspect ratios. My currect setup is a Sony VW-95ES projector running through a Lumagen Radiance 2020, for correct scaling to my 2.40:1 screen. The Radiance 2020 is not 4k, so it will have to go. My question is what kind of scaling / zoom is possible with the NX-7 for these scenarios? For example, several movies use mixed aspect ratios throughout the movie (Interstellar, Dunkirk etc) which makes watching them a hassle when the picture overshoots the top and bottom of the screen. The Lumagen solves this perfectly of course, keeping all at fixed ratios, but how do you guys solve this issue without the use of an external scaler? I do plan to purchase the Lumagen Pro 4242 at a later day. I feel it is expensive for what it does, but this issue annoys the hell out of me. The burdens of a cinemascope screen..

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I have a 540 and I'm seriously considering buying the nx7 and selling my 540. I just bought it like 4 months ago - I knew I should have waited! Does anyone know the input lag on these new ones? Im game on my projector about 50% of the time and the lack of true 4k is killing me.
I was told 37ms on the new models which is 10ms slower than the 540, so I wouldn't be kicking myself too hard. Why is the lack of true 4k killing you?
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I have the NX-7 on order. I have a few thoughts about aspect ratios. My currect setup is a Sony VW-95ES projector running through a Lumagen Radiance 2020, for correct scaling to my 2.40:1 screen. The Radiance 2020 is not 4k, so it will have to go. My question is what kind of scaling / zoom is possible with the NX-7 for these scenarios? For example, several movies use mixed aspect ratios throughout the movie (Interstellar, Dunkirk etc) which makes watching them a hassle when the picture overshoots the top and bottom of the screen. The Lumagen solves this perfectly of course, keeping all at fixed ratios, but how do you guys solve this issue without the use of an external scaler? I do plan to purchase the Lumagen Pro 4242 at a later day. I feel it is expensive for what it does, but this issue annoys the hell out of me. The burdens of a cinemascope screen..
Best solution is obviously a Radiance Pro, but you would setup a picture mode on the JVC that has blanking applied just like the Lumagen so any overshoot would not be visible.

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If NX9 blacks are as good as my RS640, I'd consider it a wash. It takes more than 10 seconds for me to see *anything* over here on a fade to black.
Edit: I have also noticed that fade-to-black is much darker than hitting the "hide" button on my remote.
Fade to black is darker because of eye bias. That is why a fade to black looks completely black for a few moments. Even a bright low contrast projector can do this to a certain extent if the content biased your eyes enough to begin with. Typically the illusion is broken as soon as you move your eyes.
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I have the NX-7 on order. I have a few thoughts about aspect ratios. My currect setup is a Sony VW-95ES projector running through a Lumagen Radiance 2020, for correct scaling to my 2.40:1 screen. The Radiance 2020 is not 4k, so it will have to go. My question is what kind of scaling / zoom is possible with the NX-7 for these scenarios? For example, several movies use mixed aspect ratios throughout the movie (Interstellar, Dunkirk etc) which makes watching them a hassle when the picture overshoots the top and bottom of the screen. The Lumagen solves this perfectly of course, keeping all at fixed ratios, but how do you guys solve this issue without the use of an external scaler? I do plan to purchase the Lumagen Pro 4242 at a later day. I feel it is expensive for what it does, but this issue annoys the hell out of me. The burdens of a cinemascope screen..
A perfect use for one of the lens memories on the new JVC. Just set one up with the included masking for aspect ratio changing movies on your scope screen. Then whenever it switches to 16:9 the portions above and below your screen will be masked off.
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I have the NX-7 on order. I have a few thoughts about aspect ratios. My currect setup is a Sony VW-95ES projector running through a Lumagen Radiance 2020, for correct scaling to my 2.40:1 screen. The Radiance 2020 is not 4k, so it will have to go. My question is what kind of scaling / zoom is possible with the NX-7 for these scenarios? For example, several movies use mixed aspect ratios throughout the movie (Interstellar, Dunkirk etc) which makes watching them a hassle when the picture overshoots the top and bottom of the screen. The Lumagen solves this perfectly of course, keeping all at fixed ratios, but how do you guys solve this issue without the use of an external scaler? I do plan to purchase the Lumagen Pro 4242 at a later day. I feel it is expensive for what it does, but this issue annoys the hell out of me. The burdens of a cinemascope screen..
There is masking on the JVC. So, no overshoot above or below the screen. You can save this to memory as well.
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.................. For example, several movies use mixed aspect ratios throughout the movie (Interstellar, Dunkirk etc) which makes watching them a hassle when the picture overshoots the top and bottom of the screen. The Lumagen solves this perfectly of course, keeping all at fixed ratios, but how do you guys solve this issue without the use of an external scaler? ..............................

That's easy, buy a 16:9 screen.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
On a slightly more serious note, in the recent past many people here, including the more committed (or perhaps wealthy or perhaps obsessed) in the Ultra Hi-End HT Gear ($20,000+) forum had 2.35:1 screens and anamorphic lenses (as I did) but with the coming of 4k many got rid of them. Much less talk about such things nowdays. Get a 16:9 screen and put with the extra wasted screen space with 2.35:1 content. Then Dunkirk etc work better, if not perfectly. Of course, there are always some kind of constraints, room size and shape matter especially here. I'm sure a 4k Lumagen will arrive sooner or later.
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Chief with SLB281 projector interface plate.
This works then?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...tor_Mount.html

I'm seeing conjecture over SLB281 vs. SLM281, but maybe the SLM is an older bracket?

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...tor_Mount.html

I'm seeing conjecture over SLB281 vs. SLM281, but maybe the SLM is an older bracket?

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I have the NX-7 on order. I have a few thoughts about aspect ratios. My currect setup is a Sony VW-95ES projector running through a Lumagen Radiance 2020, for correct scaling to my 2.40:1 screen. The Radiance 2020 is not 4k, so it will have to go. My question is what kind of scaling / zoom is possible with the NX-7 for these scenarios? For example, several movies use mixed aspect ratios throughout the movie (Interstellar, Dunkirk etc) which makes watching them a hassle when the picture overshoots the top and bottom of the screen. The Lumagen solves this perfectly of course, keeping all at fixed ratios, but how do you guys solve this issue without the use of an external scaler? I do plan to purchase the Lumagen Pro 4242 at a later day. I feel it is expensive for what it does, but this issue annoys the hell out of me. The burdens of a cinemascope screen..
I'm running a 2.40 ratio CIH set up but on a semi permanently masked 16:9 screen. The seating distance is designed with scope in mind and I'm using an anamorphic lens (with an eshift pj), but if I want to watch any aspect changing movies like Dunkirk etc, I can either keep the lens in place (no overspill) or remove the A lens and top and bottom masking and see the movie like I was at an IMAX theatre - my front row is 2x screen heights back from the CIH set up, but with the masking removed, it's 1.5xSH, which is probably around the back row of an IMAX theatre.

IMAX say their horizontal viewing angle is 70 degrees (don't know what row that is for, but assume the front or centre), and mine is 60 degrees, so that's further back and probably higher than the centre seats. It's more LIEMAX than IMAX, but at least it keeps the relationship of all ratios correct and you're not seeing 1.85 and IMAX at the same size.
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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...tor_Mount.html

I'm seeing conjecture over SLB281 vs. SLM281, but maybe the SLM is an older bracket?

There's also RPA elite vs. custom brackets.
I prefer the Chief RPMA with custom plate. Easier to adjust with the gear adjustment.
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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That works for some and not others. I can do a wider screen than tall because of room conditions, so a scope screen makes more sense. And I don't really care about the handful of titles that have shifting aspect ratios, I just crop them.

There has been a 4K Lumagen for some time now that works just fine, it is just price prohibitive for many.
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Which custom plate works better SLB281 or SLM281?
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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With HDR, anamorphic lenses like the Panamorph Paladin DCR lens really help by adding back the 38% of the brightness you just throw away as heat now. So i'd say lenses are back. We need all the brightness we can possibly get.
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No hesitation about how close the weight of the projector (44 lbs) comes to the weight limit of the mount (50 lbs)?


I know that 44 is less than 50, but I guess I'm looking for impressions from people about how close to rated weight capacities on mounts is acceptable. Having the RPA mount work is much preferable to me, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't want to come downstairs and see the projector laying on the floor...

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I have the NX-7 on order. I have a few thoughts about aspect ratios. My currect setup is a Sony VW-95ES projector running through a Lumagen Radiance 2020, for correct scaling to my 2.40:1 screen. The Radiance 2020 is not 4k, so it will have to go. My question is what kind of scaling / zoom is possible with the NX-7 for these scenarios? For example, several movies use mixed aspect ratios throughout the movie (Interstellar, Dunkirk etc) which makes watching them a hassle when the picture overshoots the top and bottom of the screen. The Lumagen solves this perfectly of course, keeping all at fixed ratios, but how do you guys solve this issue without the use of an external scaler? I do plan to purchase the Lumagen Pro 4242 at a later day. I feel it is expensive for what it does, but this issue annoys the hell out of me. The burdens of a cinemascope screen..
Two words - two screens ( I just couldn't resist ). I watch Dunkirk on my 16:9 screen - seems like 1/2 the movie or more was shot for IMAX. I watch Interstellar on my scope screen - there aren't enough IMAX scenes to care about. And with the new JVC's, they have the internal masking feature as mentioned, which works great ! But so does my DCR lens for scope !
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With HDR, anamorphic lenses like the Panamorph Paladin DCR lens really help by adding back the 38% of the brightness you just throw away as heat now. So i'd say lenses are back. We need all the brightness we can possibly get.
Depends. Lens memories are better than ever, digital masking works well and we have much smaller pixel size. No one is going to argue that a lens doesn't enhance the experience with the extra brightness, but for someone like me that struggles to buy something like an NX7 the cost:beneit ratio will simply never be there until a quality lens hits a MUCH lower price point. And we know quality optics aren't likely to decrease in cost. I've seen more RS4xx and RS5xx in homes where $3K+ on a lens would likely be considered a major expenditure vs. homes where it wouldn't.

I'll be just as happy zooming with a replacement to my RS520 and I know what I will be missing by doing so. I do think you'll see the folks with more disposable income providing a bit of a resurgence over the next few years. But most of us on a budget will probably be sticking with lens memory unless someone makes a huge breakthrough with optics manufacturing.

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Two words - two screens ( I just couldn't resist ). I watch Dunkirk on my 16:9 screen - seems like 1/2 the movie or more was shot for IMAX. I watch Interstellar on my scope screen - there aren't enough IMAX scenes to care about. And with the new JVC's, they have the internal masking feature as mentioned, which works great ! But so does my DCR lens for scope !
What are the references of your screens? I don't like motorized screens because if they are not tensioned properly, the screen surface is not perfectly flat. Yours look fine. If a room is neither height nor width limited, this is a great solution.

Mine is both height and width limited (slanted ceiling in loft), so 16/9 is the best option, but I don't plan to stay in that room for ever...

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No hesitation about how close the weight of the projector (44 lbs) comes to the weight limit of the mount (50 lbs)?


I know that 44 is less than 50, but I guess I'm looking for impressions from people about how close to rated weight capacities on mounts is acceptable. Having the RPA mount work is much preferable to me, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't want to come downstairs and see the projector laying on the floor...
You are fine with either of the Chief mounts with the JVC.
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Depends. Lens memories are better than ever, digital masking works well and we have much smaller pixel size. No one is going to argue that a lens doesn't enhance the experience with the extra brightness, but for someone like me that struggles to buy something like an NX7 the cost:beneit ratio will simply never be there until a quality lens hits a MUCH lower price point. And we know quality optics aren't likely to decrease in cost. I've seen more RS4xx and RS5xx in homes where $3K+ on a lens would likely be considered a major expenditure vs. homes where it wouldn't.

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A-lens is expensive, but the cost of an A-lens can be spread out over a much larger lifetime than a projector. I have used my A-lens with five different projectors.
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