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This confusing to me. If you have the same projector I have, then why are you not finding the fade to blacks as dark as I am?
I do find the blacks dark, I run mine -15, DI off. However during an extended blackout period and the eyes adjusts, the black level could be better as in full black out. But for short duration FTB I agree it's fine.

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Is there another mount or part that’s sturdier than that? Or another suggestion you have besides making my own box?
I think you will be fine will all the choices everyone has mentioned. We all in one way shape or form are doing the same, no issues over here.....
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I do find the blacks dark, I run mine -15, DI off. However during an extended blackout period and the eyes adjusts, the black level could be better as in full black out. But for short duration FTB I agree it's fine.
Yea that explains it. You run DI off. The DI on fade to black goes *way* darker than just manual -15. If you're already at -15 why not turn on the iris? There's going to be no noticeable pumping when you're already at -15.
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I use to think this, too but did some tests. I can take a fully white screen and hit hide and its nowhere near as dark as fade to black scene. If I hit hide, I can still make out the screen borders instantly. If I let a show do a fade to black I cannot make out the borders on my screen even looking all around but after about maybe 10 seconds I *kind of* can but even then its still hard. At least on my RS640, fade to black is significantly darker than hide button.
That's because the auto iris works even if you press the hide button (at least on my X9500). When you play normal content and press the hide button you can see the iris still opening and closing. So if you would take a full black screen instead of a full white screen when pressing hide, you will notice that the iris is closed further.

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I think you will be fine will all the choices everyone has mentioned. We all in one way shape or form are doing the same, no issues over here.....


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Thanks all for the info on the integrated digital masking on the new JVCs. That will have to make do until I can get the Lumagen Pro
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That's because the auto iris works even if you press the hide button (at least on my X9500). When you play normal content and press the hide button you can see the iris still opening and closing. So if you would take a full black screen instead of a full white screen when pressing hide, you will notice that the iris is closed further.
ok that makes more sense.

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Why is it that all HDR projectors (under $5000) seem to be just average on the lumens output? Even the (out of my price range) JVC DLS-RS600 is 1900 lumens. And while laser-based is way-out of my price range, even entry-level laser is less than 1900 lumens. I feel like I'm missing something. Is 1900 lumens "Reference" or something?

I need to project 120-inches from 16ft. in a (non-light-controlled) multi-use room. The 3LCD-based 2000-lumen Epson-8350 seems to handle it but I was hoping for a bit more light for earlier-dusk viewings.
1900 lumens is NOT "average." The commercial theater standard for light off the screen is 48 nits. On a 120" 16:9 unity gain screen 1900 lumens will produce 152 nits, more than triple what's required for professional applications. Of course, this assumes a light controlled environment.

For HDR it is a little different not the least reason being that there really is no standard for HDR with projectors. The general feeling though is that an HDR projector ought to able to produce at least 100 nits at the screen, which a 1900 lumen projector will easily do and then some. There is a really simple solution to your situation:
1) Limit your viewing to a light controlled environment (maybe invest in some drapes?) OR
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UPDATE:

Bad news folks... regarding the ETA for the new JVC projectors... I have just received word that shipping date for the first production run has been delayed by JVC by circa 1 month to end of November

This specifically relates to the UK and Europe. Not sure what is the situation elsewhere... @Mike Garrett , @Craig Peer , @Cleveland Plasma have you heard anything regards United States?

And @Javs , @woofer , @OzHDHT what about Australasia?

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UPDATE:

Bad news folks... regarding the ETA for the new JVC projectors... I have just received word that shipping date for the first production run has been delayed by JVC by circa 1 month to end of November

This specifically relates to the UK and Europe. Not sure what is the situation elsewhere... @Mike Garrett , @Craig Peer , @Cleveland Plasma have you heard anything regards United States?

And @Javs , @woofer , @OzHDHT what about Australasia?

Hey Nigel, I hope you're doing okay mate.

Have they given the reason for the delay - are they still trying to get the DI working properly?
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I only have a 13.85' throw distance. But that's OK, because I just sit closer and have 47 foot lamberts on my 128" diagonal Studiotek 130 for HDR ( and 25 foot lamberts for Blu-ray ) ! I like it bright.
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I Do-Not recall what you have said as to what laser power your running your's at ???
Medium or High buddy ???
And the reason I ask I run mine on High 100% of the time and No-Worries ever of being concerned over it ramping to Turbo-Mode.
Since I'm on high laser and sit 12' 6" from what many here think is a small screen at 123" 16x9.
I'm wondering if I would really actually need the lens you guys speak of all the time for the extra Brightness ???
(Panamorph Paladin DCR lens really help by adding back the 38% of the brightness)


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I Do-Not recall what you have said as to what laser power your running your's at ???
Medium or High buddy ???
And the reason I ask I run mine on High 100% of the time and No-Worries ever of being concerned over it ramping to Turbo-Mode.
Since I'm on high laser and sit 12' 6" from what many here think is a small screen at 123" 16x9.
I'm wondering if I would really actually need the lens you guys speak of all the time for the extra Brightness ???
(Panamorph Paladin DCR lens really help by adding back the 38% of the brightness)


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Thanks Terry
You don't need the lens with that size of screen, plus the lens is designed for those with scope screens, not 16x9.

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UPDATE:

Bad news folks... regarding the ETA for the new JVC projectors... I have just received word that shipping date for the first production run has been delayed by JVC by circa 1 month to end of November

This specifically relates to the UK and Europe. Not sure what is the situation elsewhere... @Mike Garrett , @Craig Peer , @Cleveland Plasma have you heard anything regards United States?

And @Javs , @woofer , @OzHDHT what about Australasia?

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I would suppose if the units are delayed overseas then they are also in the U.S.
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Trying not to panic...trying not to panic. Hoping its because the demand in the US is so high we are getting their shipments as well at the end of October
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I bet it is the DI. I despise DI tell them to send me a unit without it.

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You don't need the lens with that size of screen, plus the lens is designed for those with scope screens, not 16x9.

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Well your the type of Poster/Guy/Fellow I love right to the meat of what I actually needed to know.
Thank-You Mr. Deering and this will be the last time I will post that question as IMHO I completely TRUST your opinion.
I'd much prefer saving as I am doing to add the Atmos to my HT rather than spend UN-Necessary monies on a lens I don't even want and honestly was hoping didn't really need.


Kind Sir you have just made my day !!!


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Chris,


Well your the type of Poster/Guy/Fellow I love right to the meat of what I actually needed to know.
Thank-You Mr. Deering and this will be the last time I will post that question as IMHO I completely TRUST your opinion.
I'd much prefer saving as I am doing to add the Atmos to my HT rather than spend UN-Necessary monies on a lens I don't even want and honestly was hoping didn't really need.


Kind Sir you have just made my day !!!


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I guess you don't remember, but we talked about this a while back, before you purchased your RS4500. You definitely do not need or want an A-lens. You would need to change your screen to scope.
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UPDATE:

Bad news folks... regarding the ETA for the new JVC projectors... I have just received word that shipping date for the first production run has been delayed by JVC by circa 1 month to end of November

This specifically relates to the UK and Europe. Not sure what is the situation elsewhere... @Mike Garrett , @Craig Peer , @Cleveland Plasma have you heard anything regards United States?

And @Javs , @woofer , @OzHDHT what about Australasia?

They are revising the color filter on the units so it will reach 99% P3 but with only a 10% loss in lumen output.
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I guess you don't remember, but we talked about this a while back, before you purchased your RS4500. You definitely do not need or want an A-lens. You would need to change your screen to scope.
Mike Garrett,


Sorry buddy I was not paying close enough attention and was thinking it was Chris replying when I later realized it was Mr. Garrett.

Well being now a ripe old 73 I did totally forget that you had told me this (Before) I actually got my RS4500.
However, there is good news now that I have gotten it and you have once again taken the time to (Remind) me.
I'm pretty confident I'll remember for the future buddy.

Seriously though I'm glad you were on this Thread and saw my post as I have read so much about the lens it just kept jumping to my attention.

Have a good day Sir and once again, thanks.
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UPDATE:

Bad news folks... regarding the ETA for the new JVC projectors... I have just received word that shipping date for the first production run has been delayed by JVC by circa 1 month to end of November


I'm not surprised as they didn't have a production unit fully functioning at CEDIA a month ago.

Not that anyone on this thread would care even in the slightest but apparently the Sonys are now shipping. At least we should be getting some real-world reviews of those fairly soon, assuming there are actually clueless, ill-informed, non-forum reading ding-dongs dumb enough to order them.
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Gosh folks I'm sorry I just went to the site and looked at the price of the DCR (which is what you would likely want). Next time I guess I should I consult several dealers before posting a price in a reply

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Hey Nigel, I hope you're doing okay mate.

Have they given the reason for the delay - are they still trying to get the DI working properly?
Sounds like it isn't quite ready for "prime time" release.

The last thing JVC wants to do is release their new first model year full line of 4K projectors before all of the major bugs have been worked out; and DI, if that is the case, is major.

If they released it prematurely with a major issue, the blowback would be enormous. Future sales would tank, and potential customers would be reluctant to "take a chance" on spending 6 to 18 thousand dollars on an entirely new JVC 4K projector line with known, unresolved "issues".

Best to get it right and get it fixed BEFORE release than have to issue a massive recall, or refuse to ever admit or acknowledge the problem/defect even exists, like SONY Corp has for years concerning the KNOW, PROVEN "PANEL DEGRADATION" issue that is present across their entire PJ line. *People SAY this problem has finally been "fixed",.

But since SONY Corp has NEVER, EVER admitted it even exists, who can say? And how could anyone ever have the confidence to trust the "rumors" and 3rd party hearsay and assurances that the "problem" has finally been fixed when SONY Corp's official attitude and response has consistently been: "Panel degradation problem? What problem? We don't know about any problem!."

Which is why, after owning two SONY PJ's I'm not buying another SONY projector, but am looking to purchase a 4K JVC PJ instead. After I am sure there aren't any known "issues".

Like I said at the outset, better to get it right BEFORE release, even if it takes a bit longer.
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Good point above.

As far as I am concerned, JVC can wait till January to release their projectors if it means that they are putting out a product they know is solid.
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I'm not surprised as they didn't have a production unit fully functioning at CEDIA a month ago.

Not that anyone on this thread would care even in the slightest but apparently the Sonys are now shipping. At least we should be getting some real-world reviews of those fairly soon, assuming there are actually clueless, ill-informed, non-forum reading ding-dongs dumb enough to order them.
Often times the units at CEDIA are not fully functional. Many of the manufacturers just do not talk about it. Sony currently shows zero VW295's, 695's and 995's available in any of their US warehouses.

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I wonder what is holding up Sony, a lot less changes from the previous model.

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Bad news folks... regarding the ETA for the new JVC projectors... I have just received word that shipping date for the first production run has been delayed by JVC by circa 1 month to end of November

This specifically relates to the UK and Europe. Not sure what is the situation elsewhere... @Mike Garrett , @Craig Peer , @Cleveland Plasma have you heard anything regards United States?

And @Javs , @woofer , @OzHDHT what about Australasia?

Don't be raining on the parade, lol.....we will have to see.......
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Often times the units at CEDIA are not fully functional. Many of the manufacturers just do not talk about it. Sony currently shows zero VW295's, 695's and 995's available in any of their US warehouses.
Some dude over in the Sony thread is reporting that his 295 is being delivered today.
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Some dude over in the Sony thread is reporting that his 295 is being delivered today.
It's almost the same as last year, a guy from Amazon bought a 285ES and he was being told that no way he was getting a 285, there were none in stock, none in warehouse, and yet what showed up at his house was a 285ES.
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I Do-Not recall what you have said as to what laser power your running your's at ???
Medium or High buddy ???
And the reason I ask I run mine on High 100% of the time and No-Worries ever of being concerned over it ramping to Turbo-Mode.
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I'm wondering if I would really actually need the lens you guys speak of all the time for the extra Brightness ???
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Thanks Terry
I run on low laser for SDR / Blu-ray ( at over 20 foot lamberts ) and mid laser for HDR ( at 47 foot lamberts ). Plenty bright without using high laser !
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