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Ah, good point. Sweden may be same, makes a lot more sense than goodwill.


PS, I like pricing model here better

The list price on these projectors is higher in the USA than in Canada, or ex-VAT in the EU. Not sure of street prices overseas.
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Guys while we are anticipating the NXs to ship, any thoughts on an Elunevision Audioweave 4K screen to pair with my much and impatiently awaited NX7?

I am going to treat my room to be velvet end to end that is why I think I can move away from my crappy Elitescreens Cinegrey5D ALR screen.

I need the screen to be AT because with a fixed screen I can only accommodate a screen upto 106 inches before my B&W 802s block part of it (room limitations) Hoping to install the 802s behind a 125 inch Elunevision AT screen.

I don't think I can buy better Stewart Screens ... Way too expensive ... Hence considering Elunevision.

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Guys while we are anticipating the NXs to ship, any thoughts on an Elunevision Audioweave 4K screen to pair with my much and impatiently awaited NX7?

I am going to treat my room to be velvet end to end that is why I think I can move away from my crappy Elitescreens Cinegrey5D ALR screen.

I need the screen to be AT because with a fixed screen I can only accommodate a screen upto 106 inches before my B&W 802s block part of it (room limitations) Hoping to install the 802s behind a 125 inch Elunevision AT screen.

I don't think I can buy better Stewart Screens ... Way too expensive ... Hence considering Elunevision.

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I've no experience with that screen, but did just install a v6 material screen (Screen Acoustics by AVScience) this past weekend in preparation for the RS3000/NX9. Excellent material.
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Guys while we are anticipating the NXs to ship, any thoughts on an Elunevision Audioweave 4K screen to pair with my much and impatiently awaited NX7?

I am going to treat my room to be velvet end to end that is why I think I can move away from my crappy Elitescreens Cinegrey5D ALR screen.

I need the screen to be AT because with a fixed screen I can only accommodate a screen upto 106 inches before my B&W 802s block part of it (room limitations) Hoping to install the 802s behind a 125 inch Elunevision AT screen.

I don't think I can buy better Stewart Screens ... Way too expensive ... Hence considering Elunevision.

Thoughts?
I’ve owned the EluneVision Audieweave 4k screen (16x9 135”) for about two years now and absolutely love it. I got samples from just about ever company out there and for the price it’s better than some higher priced screens and very little difference in normal viewing than some of the very high end screens. I own the Sony 286ES right now but I’ve already preordered the JVC NX7. I’m eagerly waiting its arrival. I honestly don’t think you be disappointed at all with the EluneVision screen.
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Guys while we are anticipating the NXs to ship, any thoughts on an Elunevision Audioweave 4K screen to pair with my much and impatiently awaited NX7?

I am going to treat my room to be velvet end to end that is why I think I can move away from my crappy Elitescreens Cinegrey5D ALR screen.

I need the screen to be AT because with a fixed screen I can only accommodate a screen upto 106 inches before my B&W 802s block part of it (room limitations) Hoping to install the 802s behind a 125 inch Elunevision AT screen.

I don't think I can buy better Stewart Screens ... Way too expensive ... Hence considering Elunevision.

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I ran JVC Autocal on my RS500 soon after the purchase. Professional calibration was performed about 750 lamp hours ago. I was hoping to purchase one of the new native 4K JVC models without having to run Autocal again. However, now that there is a delay of uncertain length, I think that Autocal re-calibration may be of benefit. My question is: what happens to the custom entries made by the professional calibrator (picture modes, color profiles, gamma curves) when Autocal is subsequently performed? Are they overwritten or in some way altered? Thanks for any information to help me decide how to proceed.
Really, guys? With all of the knowledge base among the followers of this thread, NO ONE can be of assistance???
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I ran JVC Autocal on my RS500 soon after the purchase. Professional calibration was performed about 750 lamp hours ago. I was hoping to purchase one of the new native 4K JVC models without having to run Autocal again. However, now that there is a delay of uncertain length, I think that Autocal re-calibration may be of benefit. My question is: what happens to the custom entries made by the professional calibrator (picture modes, color profiles, gamma curves) when Autocal is subsequently performed? Are they overwritten or in some way altered? Thanks for any information to help me decide how to proceed.
(This is really off-topic for this thread).
Running autocal will negate all the custom calibration. If you must run autocal, you would be better off resetting all the adjustments made during the custom calibration which would all be invalid after a new autocal.

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(This is really off-topic for this thread).
I really appreciate that response. As my query was related to the delayed time line of my obtaining an RS2000 and my current RS500 lamp life (the given topic of this thread being anticipation of the new line of JVC PJs), it's hardly as "OFF THREAD" as the pages upon pages of the muscle cars that have populated this thread over the past week........
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Guys while we are anticipating the NXs to ship, any thoughts on an Elunevision Audioweave 4K screen to pair with my much and impatiently awaited NX7?

I am going to treat my room to be velvet end to end that is why I think I can move away from my crappy Elitescreens Cinegrey5D ALR screen.

I need the screen to be AT because with a fixed screen I can only accommodate a screen upto 106 inches before my B&W 802s block part of it (room limitations) Hoping to install the 802s behind a 125 inch Elunevision AT screen.

I don't think I can buy better Stewart Screens ... Way too expensive ... Hence considering Elunevision.

Thoughts?

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If my budget would have been limited to the N7 I would have kept my X7000 (or at least would have done a comparison first). As I wrote before the N5 was shown vs the X7900 and the X7900 had clearly the better performance. I only did the upgrade because my funds allowed me to buy the NX9.
In your case I would definitely look at the N7 first before buying!
have you seen the n5 vs x7900 ?

in what ways was the x7900 better performance ?

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If my budget would have been limited to the N7 I would have kept my X7000 (or at least would have done a comparison first). As I wrote before the N5 was shown vs the X7900 and the X7900 had clearly the better performance. I only did the upgrade because my funds allowed me to buy the NX9.
In your case I would definitely look at the N7 first before buying!
Regarding only contrast, the N7 is double the contrast of the N5 and the x7900 is less than double the contrast of the N7, which means the difference between an N5 and N7 should be bigger than the N7 to the x7900. It's possible that the N7 would still be attractive for an x7900 owner. I just don't know.

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If my budget would have been limited to the N7 I would have kept my X7000 (or at least would have done a comparison first). As I wrote before the N5 was shown vs the X7900 and the X7900 had clearly the better performance. I only did the upgrade because my funds allowed me to buy the NX9.
In your case I would definitely look at the N7 first before buying!
have you seen the n5 vs x7900 ?

in what ways was the x7900 better performance ?

sorry I have not seen your posts prior talking about this.
No I wasn’t there but it was the statement of two dealers I talked to independanty. Main issues were black level and contrast both said. In a way it is a bit unfair as the N5 is the 5 series whilst the X7900 is the 7 series. Nevertheless from a current price point you can compare them again so you should judge what you get for your money at this point in time.
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If my budget would have been limited to the N7 I would have kept my X7000 (or at least would have done a comparison first). As I wrote before the N5 was shown vs the X7900 and the X7900 had clearly the better performance. I only did the upgrade because my funds allowed me to buy the NX9.
In your case I would definitely look at the N7 first before buying!
have you seen the n5 vs x7900 ?

in what ways was the x7900 better performance ?

sorry I have not seen your posts prior talking about this.
No I wasn’t there but it was the statement of two dealers I talked to independanty. Main issues were black level and contrast both said. In a way it is a bit unfair as the N5 is the 5 series whilst the X7900 is the 7 series. Nevertheless from a current price point you can compare them again so you should judge what you get for your money at this point in time.
Thanks I appreciate their perspective . Interesting your comment earlier with regwrds x7000. I wish I knew with respect n7 abd how it stacks up 😄

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Regarding only contrast, the N7 is double the contrast of the N5 and the x7900 is less than double the contrast of the N7, which means the difference between an N5 and N7 should be bigger than the N7 to the x7900. It's possible that the N7 would still be attractive for an x7900 owner. I just don't know.
If you are just going by written contrast numbers, my RS4500 has 1/16th the native contrast ( on paper ) that my RS600 had. But in my opinion the picture looks 16 times better on the RS4500 ! So you can't just go by specifications.

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If you are just going by written contrast numbers, my RS4500 has 1/16th the native contrast ( on paper ) that my RS600 had. But in my opinion the picture looks 16 times better on the RS4500 ! So you can't just go by specifications.
That's for sure. Have not seen a single person that moved to an RS4500, not say basically the same thing.
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Regarding only contrast, the N7 is double the contrast of the N5 and the x7900 is less than double the contrast of the N7, which means the difference between an N5 and N7 should be bigger than the N7 to the x7900. It's possible that the N7 would still be attractive for an x7900 owner. I just don't know.
If you are just going by written contrast numbers, my RS4500 has 1/16th the native contrast ( on paper ) that my RS600 had. But in my opinion the picture looks 16 times better on the RS4500 ! So you can't just go by specifications. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
So why do you think that is?
The better lens? Laser vs. bulb? Native 4k vs. eshift?
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So why do you think that is?
The better lens? Laser vs. bulb? Native 4k vs. eshift?
Sharper, cleaner, " calmer " image all around. The 150K:1 native contrast rating for the RS600 ( so actually only 15X the native contrast of the RS4500 - my bad ) is with the iris closed down all the way. There's no way I could ever use it that way. So in reality it was run at a much lower contrast setting. The 10K or 12K:1 rating for the RS4500 is the minimum with the iris wide open. So many folks will run it with a setting that gives them a higher contrast measurement anyway. Finally, the laser dimming works so well now in my system, the spec numbers are moot.

I guess the real point is all the improvements in the new JVC's - native 4K, HDR tone mapping, improved processing etc. that has trickled down from the RS4500, will more than offset what will amount to ( in most peoples setups anyway ) a minor reduction in contrast.

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The dynamic laser performance of the 4500 is quite good. It only has problems when there is a scene with LOTS of black and VERY little white, it is a tad too aggressive in that case (for my taste). Any other time it holds up really well. While I had the 4500 I showed it to a lot of other JVC owners that were local and most were really surprised by the contrast performance. It could still use a nice bump in native contrast, but I think most would be more than happy with it.
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The dynamic laser performance of the 4500 is quite good. It only has problems when there is a scene with LOTS of black and VERY little white, it is a tad too aggressive in that case (for my taste). Any other time it holds up really well. While I had the 4500 I showed it to a lot of other JVC owners that were local and most were really surprised by the contrast performance. It could still use a nice bump in native contrast, but I think most would be more than happy with it.
I've switched to using the less aggressive setting Mode 1 dimming. Still looks outstanding without getting too aggressive. " Apollo 13 " on 4K Blu-ray's space scenes looked absolutely fantastic Monday night. Still blacks out the room to the point that I do all of the wine pouring, so there aren't any spills going on. Dimming is very well behaved in mode 1.

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Regarding only contrast, the N7 is double the contrast of the N5 and the x7900 is less than double the contrast of the N7, which means the difference between an N5 and N7 should be bigger than the N7 to the x7900. It's possible that the N7 would still be attractive for an x7900 owner. I just don't know.
It probably safe to say the eshift models vs n5/n7 will be more of an apples to apples comparison vs a comparison to the 4500. Maybe even compared to the nx9, but to lesser degree.

But referencing any comparison of the eshift models to the 4500, and then suggesting we have increased expectations for new lamp based units, would seem to be a bridge too far.

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So why do you think that is?
The better lens? Laser vs. bulb? Native 4k vs. eshift?
Not Craig, but having owned or had in my room a dozen JVC projectors, including the RS4500. The complete package of the RS4500 throws a really good image. I would guess it is the sum of all of its parts. Has great lens, excellent processing, good dynamic dimming, good ANSI contrast and a lot of light output. It also may have something to do with it being laser. I will be able to answer that one better, once I get my RS3000.
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It probably safe to say the eshift models vs n5/n7 will be more of an apples to apples comparison vs a comparison to the 4500. Maybe even compared to the nx9, but to lesser degree.

But referencing any comparison of the eshift models to the 4500, and then suggesting we have increased expectations for new lamp based units, would seem to be a bridge too far.
I am not following you. The new lamp based models have far more in common with the RS4500 than they do with the old e-shift models. For one they are true 4k like the RS4500, for another they have updated video processing similar to the RS4500, and they have contrast numbers that are better than the RS4500 but not as good as the old e-shift models.

To me, it seems the new 4k models are more akin to the RS4500 than they are the old e-shift models. The primary difference being laser vs lamp for the new 4k models and the RS4500.
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I am not following you. The new lamp based models have far more in common with the RS4500 than they do with the old e-shift models. For one they are true 4k like the RS4500, for another they have updated video processing similar to the RS4500, and they have contrast numbers that are better than the RS4500 but not as good as the old e-shift models.

To me, it seems the new 4k models are more akin to the RS4500 than they are the old e-shift models. The primary difference being laser vs lamp for the new 4k models and the RS4500.
A lot of the tech in the RS4500 has been used in the new projectors coming out, no doubt. Including improved next gen 4K panels too. I was really impressed with the RS1000 at Cedia. Really sharp looking 4K Blu-ray picture.

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I would not be so quick to decide. The scaling in the 4500 was better than the Oppo. If the scaling in the new projectors is as good as the 4500, then I would let the projector do the scaling.
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It probably safe to say the eshift models vs n5/n7 will be more of an apples to apples comparison vs a comparison to the 4500. Maybe even compared to the nx9, but to lesser degree.

But referencing any comparison of the eshift models to the 4500, and then suggesting we have increased expectations for new lamp based units, would seem to be a bridge too far.
So you are saying 1080p panels with E-shift compares to a native 4k projector better than a lamp based native 4K projector compares to a laser based native 4k projector. I do not know that I agree with that. Particularly when the processing on the new JVC's will be the same or close to the same as the 4500, not the same as what the E-shift units do.

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If you are just going by written contrast numbers, my RS4500 has 1/16th the native contrast ( on paper ) that my RS600 had. But in my opinion the picture looks 16 times better on the RS4500 ! So you can't just go by specifications.
100% true..! I am afraid "Paper" specs do not always translate to the actual projected image.
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Will I see a reduction in lag if I move from a JVC RS420/X570 to the RS2000 or RS3000? I can’t remember the quoted low lag mode for each projector.


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100% true..! I am afraid "Paper" specs do not always translate to the actual projected image.
Like this projector that's states " 500,000:1 " contrast - https://www.projectorcentral.com/pdf...spec_10296.pdf

Sounds a lot better than an RS640 even - on paper !
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Like this projector that's states " 500,000:1 " contrast - https://www.projectorcentral.com/pdf...spec_10296.pdf

Sounds a lot better than an RS640 even - on paper !
Lol yeah, I mean look at that image on the PDF, it’s like an OLED, it’s looks almost . . . superimposed!
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