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They were supposed to be available for sale in late October originally though. Then that changed to landing, as you say, in late November. My excitement that began back in September is now waning.
You should be extra excited that they are spending extra time polishing the light engines and buffing the cases. And perhaps dialing in the firmware, just right.
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I absolutely love my ( not perf'd ) StudioTek 130 screen. It provides a razor sharp image with just the right amount of gain. That's probably why they are used for projector demos at Cedia so often. I've seen the micro perf version in home theaters and they look very good. Get a sample.

The first thing to do is decide whether you are going with an AT screen or not - sounds like you aren't sure.

Definitely get a sample.. different people sensitive to different things. I can see DI pumping, but doesn't bug me much. Never seen a rainbow, so they definitely dont bug me. But sparkles...

Loving brightness like you, was really excited about gain on 130. Then when I saw it in action, i couldn't stop looking at sparkles in highlights. To me, it was like mustard on a white shirt, hard not to stare at. Understand I may be in minority based on great reputation of 130.

Still tempting, I may get a sample and try again someday in my home environment. After awhile might be able to ignore the mustard, er I mean sparkles, and focus on what film is saying lol
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You should be extra excited that they are spending extra time polishing the light engines and buffing the cases. And perhaps dialing in the firmware, just right.
I was hoping they would have taken care of all that sooner. Well, I respect your pep talk and it helped. Thanks. Emotional intelligence is a real thing. I get that there's been less and less tech talk and more and more anticipation going on, and I'm sorry for my part. One member may have even "ignore listed" a whole lot of us and I feel bad for him if he did that and missed out on info.; but the reality is we can only speculate so much.

Moving on, let's hope for some good news next week.
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Definitely get a sample.. different people sensitive to different things. I can see DI pumping, but doesn't bug me much. Never seen a rainbow, so they definitely dont bug me. But sparkles...

Loving brightness like you, was really excited about gain on 130. Then when I saw it in action, i couldn't stop looking at sparkles in highlights. To me, it was like mustard on a white shirt, hard not to stare at. Understand I may be in minority based on great reputation of 130.

Still tempting, I may get a sample and try again someday in my home environment. After awhile might be able to ignore the mustard, er I mean sparkles, and focus on what film is saying lol
Your particular setup might also have effected how your screen looked ( much more lens shift vs a lower projector with minimal lens shift = more sheen ? ). It's true you can see a bit of shimmer at times on the very brightest parts of the picture on my ST130. Doesn't bother me. Every time I see a Studiotek 100 used for a demo at CES or Cedia, I can tell it's not a ST130 right away. It looks dull to me. And every VW5000 at Cedia on an AT screen looked slightly soft picture wise to me. All 5 of them. I'm used to super sharp and very bright. That's what I like - and it took me a decade to get there ( no projectors were ever bright enough until relatively recently ). Some people prefer better center channel location. You have to pick your poison !
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Fan noise in the new JVC 4K projectors

I am considering a purchase of the NX7 projector, when they become available. Most of the recent JVC projectors, like the X7990R, have listed noise levels of 21 db when lamp is in low mode. I have heard them at dealers and their fan noise is quiet. I am one who hates loud fan noise in projectors and it is a deal breaker in my theater room. No where can I find listed the fan noise levels for the NX7, the NX5 or NX9. It is not listed in either the brochures or under specification in the owner's manuals. I am a little suspect that the fan noise level is left out on all three new projectors.
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I am considering a purchase of the NX7 projector, when they become available. Most of the recent JVC projectors, like the X7990R, have listed noise levels of 21 db when lamp is in low mode. I have heard them at dealers and their fan noise is quiet. I am one who hates loud fan noise in projectors and it is a deal breaker in my theater room. No where can I find listed the fan noise levels for the NX7, the NX5 or NX9. It is not listed in either the brochures or under specification in the owner's manuals. I am a little suspect that the fan noise level is left out on all three new projectors.

I believe Mike Garret stayed it was 24dB in low lamp. A 3dB increase will likely be perceptible but it’s probably not a deal breaker for me since the old 21dB fans were so quiet.

I agree with you as I have a very quiet theater but my projector is mounted on the ceiling over the second row of seats.


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I was hoping they would have taken care of all that sooner. Well, I respect your pep talk and it helped. Thanks. Emotional intelligence is a real thing. I get that there's been less and less tech talk and more and more anticipation going on, and I'm sorry for my part. One member may have even "ignore listed" a whole lot of us and I feel bad for him if he did that and missed out on info.; but the reality is we can only speculate so much.

Moving on, let's hope for some good news next week.
I know it's tough waiting for new gear. Still, better for JVC to take more time to get things right. After 16 years in home theater, and multiple Cedia's and CES trips ( not to mention a cellar full of wine that takes 10+ years to be ready to drink ), " good things are worth waiting for " !!
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Your particular setup might also have effected how your screen looked ( much more lens shift vs a lower projector with minimal lens shift = more sheen ? ). It's true you can see a bit of shimmer at times on the very brightest parts of the picture on my ST130. Doesn't bother me. Every time I see a Studiotek 100 used for a demo at CES or Cedia, I can tell it's not a ST130 right away. It looks dull to me. And every VW5000 at Cedia on an AT screen looked slightly soft picture wise to me. All 5 of them. I'm used to super sharp and very bright. That's what I like - and it took me a decade to get there ( no projectors were ever bright enough until relatively recently ). Some people prefer better center channel location. You have to pick your poison !
Craig, I would be curious your observations on the Cima screen we both have vs. the 130.

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... One member may have even "ignore listed" a whole lot of us and I feel bad for him if he did that and missed out on info.; but the reality is we can only speculate so much.

Moving on, let's hope for some good news next week.
52+ plus 10 to 15 new ones in this thread only! Haven't missed a thing!! (the clueless don't know anything)!!!
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Craig, I would be curious your observations on the Cima screen we both have vs. the 130.
They are really close. I think the ST130 is slightly finer grained surface texture wise. The gain isn't as far apart as the advertised number suggests I don't think. I do the ST130 has a little bit smoother " more refined " picture for quite a bit more money. ST130 = cost no object. Cima Neve = best bang for the buck.
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They are really close. I think the ST130 is slightly finer grained surface texture wise. The gain isn't as far apart as the advertised number suggests I don't think. I do the ST130 has a little bit smoother " more refined " picture for quite a bit more money. ST130 = cost no object. Cima Neve = best bang for the buck.
I have a ST130 micro perf 150" curved scope and currently using an X9900 on low lamp, I have heaps of light. Ive had many woven screens and I will NEVER go back, this ST130 micro perf produces and amazing bright and very sharp image. Everyone who has seen it cant believe how much better the image looks over the woven screens I have had in the past. I cant say enough about the ST130 microperf, I had every sample out there, woven and micro and none were as good as the ST130. I dont like the price of them, but after the initial sting, I would never ever go back to any of the other brands...
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I have a ST130 micro perf 150" curved scope and currently using an X9900 on low lamp, I have heaps of light. Ive had many woven screens and I will NEVER go back, this ST130 micro perf produces and amazing bright and very sharp image. Everyone who has seen it cant believe how much better the image looks over the woven screens I have had in the past. I cant say enough about the ST130 microperf, I had every sample out there, woven and micro and none were as good as the ST130. I dont like the price of them, but after the initial sting, I would never ever go back to any of the other brands...
I installed a JVC RS540 in a house in South Lake Tahoe that had a ST130 micro perf in an existing theater, and I thought it looked great. In fact, at first I didn't even realize it was an AT screen, until it dawned on me.
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You should be extra excited that they are spending extra time polishing the light engines and buffing the cases. And perhaps dialing in the firmware, just right.
Hard to believe there could be any technical issues this late in the game! For the kind of engineering, manufacturing, testing, and QA that would have to go into a product like this.... technical issues discovered now would seem to spell delays on the order of months to re-engineer and resolve.

I’d, instead, be expecting more logistics type delays at this point - dealer allocations, shipping, customs, paperwork ...

I guess we’ll see.

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Hard to believe there could be any technical issues this late in the game! For the kind of engineering, manufacturing, testing, and QA that would have to go into a product like this.... technical issues discovered now would seem to spell delays on the order of months to re-engineer and resolve.

I’d, instead, be expecting more logistics type delays at this point - dealer allocations, shipping, customs, paperwork ...

I guess we’ll see.

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For the record, no one except JVC knows why the delay. However, there have been previous years where they said the projectors would ship on X date, and they were late. One year they shipped right before Xmas. So, it's not like they haven't shipped late before. Other manufacturers ship / release product late too. Just the way it is. hell, I'm still waiting on Avatar 2. Just how many years does it take to make a damn sequel ?

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Preproduction units are here in the US also. I know of an RS3000 that has been making some rounds. Currently in CO.
Who and where in Colorado is this Preproduction unit? I would love to have a chance to view this RS3000.
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You cannot directly de-select the filter. Any time you select a colour profile that does not require the filter (such as Manni’s Rec709NF or BT2020NF) th projector automatically de-selects the filter. Same with selecting it.
I don't have any of Manni's curves in my PJ. I do have custom HDR/SDR BT2020 curves prepared by Chad B. which don't use gamma D. Would these de-select the filter, as well?
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I'm not aware of any that bypass the filter. Especially on the forum that try to get as much performance out as possible. I have heard that without the filter, the JVC can get up to 93% of the WCG compared to 99% with the filter.
Just out of curiosity, will the middle aged human eye actually perceive a difference in image reality by "only" seeing 93% of WCG, when compared with 97%, in the typical home theater of the posters here??? There is at least one ophthalmologist who monitors this thread, so maybe he could enlighten us. If not, then it would seem to be merely chasing (unobtainable) perfection......
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Great. How is the acoustic attenuation and how was mounting it? It seems like the groove-based installation could be tricky and result in uneven tension.
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... hell, I'm still waiting on Avatar 2. Just how many years does it take to make a damn sequel ?
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Just out of curiosity, will the middle aged human eye actually perceive a difference in image reality by "only" seeing 93% of WCG, when compared with 97%, in the typical home theater of the posters here??? There is at least one ophthalmologist who monitors this thread, so maybe he could enlighten us. If not, then it would seem to be merely chasing (unobtainable) perfection......
Probably not, but I should actually do the test myself. I heard that uhd bd cover between 90-95% of WCG anyways.
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I don't have any of Manni's curves in my PJ. I do have custom HDR/SDR BT2020 curves prepared by Chad B. which don't use gamma D. Would these de-select the filter, as well?
The filters are automatically selected/de-selected based on the Colour Profile, and are indendent of the curves.
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Interesting. My current screen is a Seymour XD, and now that I've preordered the NX7, I've started thinking XD might not cut it for 4k. I made some inquiries this morning about getting samples of Seymour UF, Enlightor 4k, and the V6. Sounds like two of those may have been a waste of time.
I have used XD, Enlightor 4K and V6, along with a few other AT screens. V6 is what I currently use.
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For the record, no one except JVC knows why the delay. However, there have been previous years where they said the projectors would ship on X date, and they were late. One year they shipped right before Xmas. So, it's not like they haven't shipped late before. Other manufacturers ship / release product late too. Just the way it is. hell, I'm still waiting on Avatar 2. Just how many years does it take to make a damn sequel ?

Craig, I might have a chance to get the Sony 885ES for a real good price. Since you have the 45000 do you think its better for me to go with a Sony laser or the RS3000? Aside from lamp life is there any other inherit benefits to laser projectors?
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Just my two cents. The Seymour XD is rated to 4K on their site and I used it with a Sony 4K projector and I thought it looked great and showed the 4k detail just fine. Doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy looking for a new toy
You need to compare the XD to UF, EN4K, NEO or V6. You will find all of these fabrics much better than XD. XD does have an advantage in gain, but nothing else. Also the gain advantage of XD is very small over V6.
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They were supposed to be available for sale in late October originally though. Then that changed to landing, as you say, in late November. My excitement that began back in September is now waning.
They were never stated as available for sale, late October. When JVC says shipping at the end of october, they always mean arrive at west coast then. At least that is how it has been for the last several years.
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I am considering using a Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 screen with the upcoming N7. My screen right now (Jamestown) is mounted on the wall with center channel below, but I've had thoughts of building a baffle wall and moving the speakers behind the screen at some point in the future.

I have a question for those familiar with that screen material. How noticable is the AT microperf option? If I never end up actually using it, it would be a shame to compromise on image quality. Would I be better off just getting the 130 without microperf? Is there a better performing AT screen material option to consider?

Thanks! Beyond excited for the N7, I have upgraded almost everything else in the theater in anticipation
What is your planned viewing distance? You need at least 12' viewing, if using microperf. Also you will lose 10% brightness, due to the perf.
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The material has very little stretch, so just a little tension with one hand pulling it to the outer edge of the frame and then using my other hand with the Betty Crocker pizza cutter to insert into the groove was not too hard. That cutter has a very bendy wheel though, and so I needed to straighten it a couple of times but it worked. The wheel needs to be thin, but if I ever need to take it down and remount, the wheel that came with my $15 pizza stone from Lowes is as thin but much stiffer. I used that wheel on samples of Fabricmate track without issue.

I took REW measurements for 20-20k sweeps for both screens, but they are very noisy and I need to redo them. Subjectively I'd say there is less attenuation in the treble though. I only use ARC (on my Anthem 1120) to 250Hz, which doesn't affect the drivers behind the screen, so I did not rerun to see how it sees things as having changed. If I find time I will do that too.
I just used one of our pizza wheels from our kitchen. Worked great.
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Probably not, but I should actually do the test myself. I heard that uhd bd cover between 90-95% of WCG anyways.
That brings up the question as to how faithful the UHD Blu-Ray color space is relative to the cinematographer's initial rendering, as I'd guess that should be the "gold standard". I don't know how to obtain that information.
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Jvc put out a different polarity then other projectors but this only matters if the screen holds the polarity what is ur screen material hopefully someone knows if it does or not
It is not that JVC used a different polarity than other manufacturers. JVC maintained polarity all the way through the design. By doing this, you lose less brightness, if your screen retains polarization and you use the matching glasses. So you get brighter 3D. The drawback is, it costs you brightness if you use the wrong glasses, with a screen that retains polarization and you have changing brightness, depending on head position.
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I believe Mike Garret stayed it was 24dB in low lamp. A 3dB increase will likely be perceptible but it’s probably not a deal breaker for me since the old 21dB fans were so quiet.

I hope this isn't the case. Every 3dB increase doubles the volume of fan noise.
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