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No. Both screens that Carada sold were 1.0 and 1.1 gain and both of them were not very uniform.
I never noticed any non-uniformity with my Carada (1.0) screen. Exactly how does one specifically look for it?

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Oops it was 172 nits, not 183.

Basically I can get that because my throw distance will be 10’2” and screen size will be 92” diagonal. Your room is probably a lot larger than mine!


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This is so true but I love my cars and could never give them up. I own 7 Toyotas and can't imagine giving any of them up. I get attached to them over the years and bought 2 new 2017 models last year. That being said I hate debt so I already paid both of them off!
You have 7 cars. I think Zombie10K has 7 projectors. it's all good.
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This is so true but I love my cars and could never give them up. I own 7 Toyotas and can't imagine giving any of them up. I get attached to them over the years and bought 2 new 2017 models last year. That being said I hate debt so I already paid both of them off!


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What video card are you running for MadVR? What is the recommended Nvidia card to be using?
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I would be curious too, but I do remember reading that there is no video card that can handle it at max settings.
That is weird that something as cheap as a Nvidia Shield can handle 4K with ease but an expensive video card cannot
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That is weird that something as cheap as a Nvidia Shield can handle 4K with ease but an expensive video card cannot


It's about very high quality upscaling


Nvidia has a lousy upscaler ... Nothing like madVR


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That is weird that something as cheap as a Nvidia Shield can handle 4K with ease but an expensive video card cannot
The shield is just playing the content. MadVR does upscaling, tone mapping,etc which are all gpu intensive. A 1070 with MadVR will get you most of the features running at high settings. I think around 1050ti is the min recommended.
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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...tpc-madvr.html


My understanding is scaling on madvr better than shield. Question is: how much better than new scaler on 4k jvcs?

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My understanding is scaling on madvr better than shield. Question is: how much better than new scaler on 4k jvcs?

Edit: hardware requirements in link above
Thanks for the link. I was looking at that a bit earlier as I was deciding on what I wanted to do. That is a lot of money to put into a computer to play videos and I do wonder how much better it is then the Panasonic UB820?

The only issue that I have with the Panasonic is that it can not bit-stream audio from MKV files. I currently use the Shield for my 4K playback but I am interested in the SDR 2020 tone mapping and Shield cannot do this.
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Thanks for the link. I was looking at that a bit earlier as I was deciding on what I wanted to do. That is a lot of money to put into a computer to play videos and I do wonder how much better it is then the Panasonic UB820?

The only issue that I have with the Panasonic is that it can not bit-stream audio from MKV files. I currently use the Shield for my 4K playback but I am interested in the SDR 2020 tone mapping and Shield cannot do this.
The tone mapping is only going to get better in MadVR. You can now measure a file prior to playing it in MadVR and use the exact luminance values throughout the movie to map, its basically HDR10+ . With this you don't have to worry about the studio's metadata on the actual disc being correct or filled like the 820 (which also only uses that one set of values at the beginning to set a curve).
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I had to ask for special bifocals. Reading lens as small as possible, mounted low as possible so can lean back and not obstruct screen, but can still quickly read buttons on bloody remote. Rest of lens non-progressive so can move eyes to edges of screen and still in focus. Do have to raise power headrest, but prefer it raised.
That’s a very good idea! BiFocal with very small close vision area. It’s a comedy of errors as I try to enter credentials on my iPad using dedicated single vision power lenses.
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I would be curious too, but I do remember reading that there is no video card that can handle it at max settings.
Im using the 1080Ti on max settings on 24 content.
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Speaking of the X9900 ...GREAT projector as it is!..... BUT i am afraid when compared directly to the NX9 it is really outclassed!

If you view them together and you dont notice the substantial advantage the NX9 has with "Sharpness" and "Detail" ...then i am afraid you may require some form of "Eye Glasses" being mentioned in previous posts here ....

Contrast.... wont comment to much , as its very dependent on screen size and throw.........with my set up there isn't much in it!
So the X9900 is outclassed by how much compared to the NX9? Is the NX9 10% better? 30%? 50%?

So in your setup there is no contrast difference between the two?
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That's an interesting point to keep in mind for us folks who have "vision issues." I wear either progressive lenses or multi-focal contacts, and I think for me also the potential improvements in the sharpness of certain projector models will not be worth the cost. But as you say, even us folks who can't see details like we used to can still see, for example, whether black is black.
Generally, what's important is 'best-corrected' visual acuity. Meaning, it's not so important that you need glasses or contacts, as long as you can see clearly with them, which is the case for most people who wear glasses and have no other eye condition. If you have an extreme prescription, or eye disease, however, you may not be able to be fully corrected.

i.e. most of you who wear glasses or contacts can still benefit from a sharper projector.
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So the X9900 is outclassed by how much compared to the NX9? Is the NX9 10% better? 30%? 50%?

So in your setup there is no contrast difference between the two?
Thats so subjective...... for me the margin is large..

Obviously the X9900 fairs a little better contrast wise......but there is not much in it.. On a small screen and a short throw, it may well be a completely different outcome? Only commenting on what myself and others see on my setup.

I have had 6 people view both the X9900 and the NX9... all chose the NX9 as preference.
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I never noticed any non-uniformity with my Carada (1.0) screen. Exactly how does one specifically look for it?
I tried their 1.0 screen and never got off the ground. The screen material had "sections" where the brightness would be different. Not easy to spot but once you did you couldn't not see it. if I remember correctly it was a perfectly straight vertical line where it started and stopped. I tried two and finally they shipped me a "hand inspected" sample. It had the same effect and asked if I would keep it for 30 days to see if it would "disappear" I let it hang for a few weeks without any difference and sent it back. Afterwards they stated it's inherently in the material/construction.

I have had numerous low-end to high-end screens and my take is you are pretty much paying for higher quality not necessarily better performance. With high-end screens you can easily disassemble and reassemble them (I have sold several). Now at the low end it gets pretty iffy. Often mounting the screen material does a job on itself via the tabs, springs or whatnot. The high-end frame is four (not six) pieces with a much better fit not to mention superior velvet. For my use I want as little texture as possible and no gain which I find little difference among the various prices. I imagine the more feature rich screens would have more of a variance.
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I don’t (yet) have a amp that accepts 4K. Therefore I plan running a hdmi cable direct to the projector.

Problem is my 4K source is an Apple TV which doesn’t have a separate audio out.

Can anyone recommend a splitter that can split out audio from hdmi to go to my amp and that will also pass the video to the NX7?


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I don’t (yet) have a amp that accepts 4K. Therefore I plan running a hdmi cable direct to the projector.

Problem is my 4K source is an Apple TV which doesn’t have a separate audio out.

Can anyone recommend a splitter that can split out audio from hdmi to go to my amp and that will also pass the video to the NX7?


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Wouldn't you need a receiver or a preprocessor to do something like this?

I have an Anthem MRX1120 which has pre-outs for all the channels that can feed into your amps. I personally don't use any external amp except for LCR which I power via MC monoblocks . For surround and Atmos height 1120 has enough power to drive them with room to spare


AVM 60 or Marantz also has good pre-processors that support all the newaudio formats etc


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I don’t (yet) have a amp that accepts 4K. Therefore I plan running a hdmi cable direct to the projector.

Problem is my 4K source is an Apple TV which doesn’t have a separate audio out.

Can anyone recommend a splitter that can split out audio from hdmi to go to my amp and that will also pass the video to the NX7?
An HDfury Vertex can do that, but might be overkill at $299. It can pass a full 4K60 600MHz 18Gbs HDCP 2.2 signal out one HDMI port, and downscale to 1080p HDCP 1.4 with full audio to the second HDMI output port. I use it for auto-selecting JVC user modes via RS-232 commands based on content type which might not be needed with the new models. And for down scaling 4K to a 1080p TV. It can also pass through the ATV flavor of Atmos; although if your AVR is an older model it might not be able to process Apple's Atmos in Dolby MAT LPCM.

The HDfury Integral2 can do the same but without a built-in OLED display for $249.

I cannot recommend the HDfury AVRKey at $149 even though it was designed for exactly this purpose. It has a tendency to overheat that results in audio drop outs.
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Mike, in your post last week you had said you were hoping to hear more by the middle of this week. Did that happen?
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I never noticed any non-uniformity with my Carada (1.0) screen. Exactly how does one specifically look for it?
Careful ... do you really want know what to look for?

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I posted earlier today, that I am hoping to hear some relevant news tomorrow, but it will not be regarding delivery date.
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So the X9900 is outclassed by how much compared to the NX9? Is the NX9 10% better? 30%? 50%?

So in your setup there is no contrast difference between the two?
Thats so subjective...... for me the margin is large..

Obviously the X9900 fairs a little better contrast wise......but there is not much in it.. On a small screen and a short throw, it may well be a completely different outcome? Only commenting on what myself and others see on my setup.

I have had 6 people view both the X9900 and the NX9... all chose the NX9 as preference.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
If the x9900 is visually better in contrast between the NX9. I’m guessing the drop in contrast on the NX7 will be too big... the NX9 is out of my budget range and I would love a 4k panel on my 135” CinemaScope from 8.5-9 feet away.

But if the contrast will be that drastic, will everything else make up for it I wonder?

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I tried their 1.0 screen and never got off the ground. The screen material had "sections" where the brightness would be different. Not easy to spot but once you did you couldn't not see it. if I remember correctly it was a perfectly straight vertical line where it started and stopped. I tried two and finally they shipped me a "hand inspected" sample. It had the same effect and asked if I would keep it for 30 days to see if it would "disappear" I let it hang for a few weeks without any difference and sent it back. Afterwards they stated it's inherently in the material/construction.

I have had numerous low-end to high-end screens and my take is you are pretty much paying for higher quality not necessarily better performance. With high-end screens you can easily disassemble and reassemble them (I have sold several). Now at the low end it gets pretty iffy. Often mounting the screen material does a job on itself via the tabs, springs or whatnot. The high-end frame is four (not six) pieces with a much better fit not to mention superior velvet. For my use I want as little texture as possible and no gain which I find little difference among the various prices. I imagine the more feature rich screens would have more of a variance.

I owned 3 Carada screens before finally giving up and going to Stewart. Was never happy with Carada, but their customer service was phenomenal!
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Thats so subjective...... for me the margin is large..

Obviously the X9900 fairs a little better contrast wise......but there is not much in it.. On a small screen and a short throw, it may well be a completely different outcome? Only commenting on what myself and others see on my setup.

I have had 6 people view both the X9900 and the NX9... all chose the NX9 as preference.
Choosing as a preference is one thing. Actually plunking down 3-4x the $$$ is something else.

But isn't that typically the equation with the items manufacturers try differentiate and retail at the higher price points? They may be better, but in the context of value, are they the better value? Especially when one considers the status of being the best is often short lived.

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Thats so subjective...... for me the margin is large..

Obviously the X9900 fairs a little better contrast wise......but there is not much in it.. On a small screen and a short throw, it may well be a completely different outcome? Only commenting on what myself and others see on my setup.

I have had 6 people view both the X9900 and the NX9... all chose the NX9 as preference.
Why don't you just check that out

Same throw, -15 on the x990, I believe the aperture on -15 on the NX9 is smaller than on the x990, so some adjustment may be required, heck go with -15 anyway. Screen size adjusted for 16 fl...........and let us know!

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I never noticed any non-uniformity with my Carada (1.0) screen. Exactly how does one specifically look for it?

You don't want to know or you'll start to look for it.



I haven't had that issue with my 118" Carada BW.
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If the x9900 is visually better in contrast between the NX9. I’m guessing the drop in contrast on the NX7 will be too big... the NX9 is out of my budget range and I would love a 4k panel on my 135” CinemaScope from 8.5-9 feet away.

But if the contrast will be that drastic, will everything else make up for it I wonder?
Did you read what he posted earlier. Said they did not really see a difference and from that you came to a completely different conclusion?
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Choosing as a preference is one thing. Actually plunking down 3-4x the $$$ is something else.

But isn't that typically the equation with the items manufacturers try differentiate and retail at the higher price points? They may be better, but in the context of value, are they the better value? Especially when one considers the status of being the best is often short lived.
If you are talking better value, why do you have an X990? If talking value, you should have a $500 projector, because the X990 certainly is not ten times better.
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Is the 640 still considered a superior projector to the NX7 with the obvious understanding that nobody has seen it yet?
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