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The VW1000 is not the same projector as the VW285, any more than a Yugo is the same car and a BMW or Lexus. And there is no economy of scale for home theater projectors. In fact, look how many brands have dropped out of the home theater projector market in the last 10 years and disappeared. Maybe native 4K projection will trickle down to Epson PC 4050 prices eventually. That would be great. But don't expect a RS3000 quality lens at that price - ever. Good glass never goes down in price.
The fact remains a 4K projector is now $4k. I can see now those who said it's impossible are coming out of the wood work to say it isn't so lolz!

And lens, as with lasers, as with iris, etc, all marketing ploy to do product differentiations... to set far higher selling prices that need be... sure, of course there are small differences... but that's not the point here... the point is none of the actual materials are going to make a dent in the manufacturing process...
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The VW1000 is not the same projector as the VW285, any more than a Yugo is the same car and a BMW or Lexus. And there is no economy of scale for home theater projectors. In fact, look how many brands have dropped out of the home theater projector market in the last 10 years and disappeared. Maybe native 4K projection will trickle down to Epson PC 4050 prices eventually. That would be great. But don't expect a RS3000 quality lens at that price - ever. Good glass never goes down in price.
I guess you haven't seen the latest prices on the BenQ HT9050 or LK970. I would search a link, but it's really late.
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The VW1000 is not the same projector as the VW285, any more than a Yugo is the same car and a BMW or Lexus. And there is no economy of scale for home theater projectors. In fact, look how many brands have dropped out of the home theater projector market in the last 10 years and disappeared. Maybe native 4K projection will trickle down to Epson PC 4050 prices eventually. That would be great. But don't expect a RS3000 quality lens at that price - ever. Good glass never goes down in price.
This is interesting.
Even with all their carful and exacting processes, some of the lenses are still discarded when inspected.
I suppose as manufacturing processes are refined even more, costs may come down, although after watching the video, I can't see how a given manufacturer could achieve this.

Maybe the discarded ones end up in the Sony 295es projectors.

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I guess you haven't seen the latest prices on the BenQ HT9050 or LK970. I would search a link, but it's really late.
Are you seriously comparing the lens on the Benq LK970 to the Sony ARC-F lens?

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Not true.. They went from $25K to $4k in just a few years in their 4K lineup... When Sony came out with the 1000ES, I said I'll wait 2-3 years for the price to drop to 4K street... everyone one the forum went berserk saying it's impossible... that the lens needed for 4K is what's going to keep the price skyhigh... of course that's all nonsense... we now see 4K projectors (native) at the 4K price... and once there are 3rd party manufacturers for 4K chips, and every company in the world can make a 4K projector, you'll see price drops drastically... it's called the technology S-Curve... initially things move slot, but it'll be a geometric growth as soon as competition gets into the space... not a linear process... right now, we are at the cusp of 2k going 4k in the projector world.. a couple years back that was the TV world... and nowadays, you can get a 4K TV for cheaper than you can get a 2K tv just a few years back...
Seriously?

The modern equivalent for the 1000ES is the 995ES and the price has gone up to $35k.

The 295 is nowhere near the same thing as a 1000ES. Sony may have produced a $4k native 4k projector but in order to do it they went barebones on the lens, light source, no iris, etc. You do notice that the next step up in the 4k native lineup by Sony is $10k and it still doesn't even include an all glass lens.

Sure technology gets cheaper over time. But that is in competitive markets that have large mass sales. In the Home Theater market things move much slower. I really doubt the new RS1000,2000,3000 price will change in the next couple of years and I doubt there will be many significant changes over the next 18 month period.
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If you upgrade your GPU now, I'd recommend going with the 20xx range, for reasons I don't want to talk about right now.
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Even if there's a refresh in November, that's still 10-11 months out. Life is literally too short to be waiting on the next thing that may come out. Look at the differences between the RS600 and RS620. They were pretty insignificant minus game mode. From the RS620 to RS640 also pretty insigificant changes. Nothing major is coming christmas 2019 this round.


If I didnt play games constantly and only sit 7 feet from my screen, I'd probably stick with that combo you listed for many years.


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Not true.. They went from $25K to $4k in just a few years in their 4K lineup... When Sony came out with the 1000ES, I said I'll wait 2-3 years for the price to drop to 4K street... everyone one the forum went berserk saying it's impossible... that the lens needed for 4K is what's going to keep the price skyhigh... of course that's all nonsense... we now see 4K projectors (native) at the 4K price... and once there are 3rd party manufacturers for 4K chips, and every company in the world can make a 4K projector, you'll see price drops drastically... it's called the technology S-Curve... initially things move slot, but it'll be a geometric growth as soon as competition gets into the space... not a linear process... right now, we are at the cusp of 2k going 4k in the projector world.. a couple years back that was the TV world... and nowadays, you can get a 4K TV for cheaper than you can get a 2K tv just a few years back...
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Seriously?

The modern equivalent for the 1000ES is the 995ES and the price has gone up to $35k.

The 295 is nowhere near the same thing as a 1000ES. Sony may have produced a $4k native 4k projector but in order to do it they went barebones on the lens, light source, no iris, etc. You do notice that the next step up in the 4k native lineup by Sony is $10k and it still doesn't even include an all glass lens.

Sure technology gets cheaper over time. But that is in competitive markets that have large mass sales. In the Home Theater market things move much slower. I really doubt the new RS1000,2000,3000 price will change in the next couple of years and I doubt there will be many significant changes over the next 18 month period.
And yet the 1000ES measures circa 300,000 - 350,000:1 peak ON/OFF contrast, which is a very considerable many times the performance of the SONY 995/870ES...

Where the fact of the matter is that if SONY had not deliberately scuttled the SONY 1000ES by withholding the HDR and other upgrades that SONY made to all other pre-existing models as a marketing ploy to boost sales of the 5000ES, then it could very well still be SONY's overall best performing home theater projector, especially if they'd also swapped out the lamp for a laser light source

Suffice to say that I am still waiting for SONY to release a new projector that impresses me as much as the SONY 1000ES did.

So, damn right the 295 is nowhere near the same thing as a 1000ES!

Sure the 295 is technically 4K resolution, but that's with smearing, ghosting, streaking, blooming, and uniformity issues, with a lens quality that's debatable as to whether or not it delineates native 4K content properly, and certainly not optimally.

The fact of the matter is that to attain at least as good native 4K performance as compared with the SONY 1000ES as of right now that's the JVC RS3000/NX9, wherein with an MSRP of $18K today this represents a significant cost reduction as compared with the SONY 1000ES that cost $25K 6 years ago; where in fact the JVC RS3000/NX9 outperforms the SONY 1000ES in pretty much every respect... unlike the SONY 995/870ES, which does not, and yet costs $35K

So, no you most certainly cannot obtain the same standard of 4K performance today for $4K. Sorry!

In short, you get what you pay for, especially when it comes to lenses and optics.


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My local dealer told me that he sales about 50 projectors a year in our area of 50,000. Thats a ratio of 1:1000. So in a country of 350 Million that would be about 350,000 projectors a year. My guess is that commercial projectors sell at a lot higher percentage and then you have a lot of the cheap DLP projectors. Sony probably out sells JVC 5 to 1 or more.

Even taking all that into consideration, JVC is releasing 3 new models and a year of sales for all 3 models should be at least 20,000. If it is a good year possibly 50,000. That would be roughly 1/17th to 1/7th of the market.
It seems very high. Here in Norway, which is considered a very rich country where the wealth is distributed more evenly than the US, I dont think that JVC sells one per 100,000. I would estimate 30 to 50 projectors a years for the entire line.

Lets say that the US has 300 million in population, but a big part of this isnt near a income that will make them potential buyers. So lets say 250 millions. Compared to Norway thats a factor of 50. So 50 x 50 is 2500. So 20,000 to 50,000 seems unlikely that it sells 10 to 20 times more in the US than Norway.

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It seems very high. Here in Norway, which is considered a very rich country where the wealth is distributed more evenly than the US, I dont think that JVC sells one per 100,000. I would estimate 30 to 50 projectors a years for the entire line.

Lets say that the US has 300 million in population, but a big part of this isnt near a income that will make them potential buyers. So lets say 250 millions. Compared to Norway thats a factor of 50. So 50 x 50 is 2500. So 20,000 to 50,000 seems unlikely that it sells 10 to 20 times more in the US than Norway.
You forgot to factor in that many of us Americans are idiots that would just assume take a loan out on their house or get a new credit card and get the projector even though they cant afford it. That could increase the number sold in the USA especially on the lower end.

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You forgot to factor in that many of us Americans are idiots that would just assume take a loan out on their house or get a new credit card and get the projector even though they cant afford it. That could increase the number sold in the USA especially on the lower end.
You have plenty of thoose idiots here in Norway also.
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Do want to discuss more but is the reason in a thread somewhere? Curious to see the benefits.
There are no benefits yet between two equally powerful models in either range, but there might be some later for RTX models, due to the different architecture. AFAIK Madshi hasn't said why in another thread, and he doesn't want to discuss it further as he indicated. He's unlikely to confirm or deny, but the new shader units in the RTX models (which aren't present in the GTX models) might be put to good use in MadVR in the future. No promises, no ETA (could be tomorrow, could be in a year, could be never).

That's my guess, based on Madshi's recommendation for the RTX range on a couple of occasions. I have no insider info. I'll replace my 1080ti with a RTX model when they offer a 7nm model with HDMI 2.1 support, hopefully next year.

This is 100% off topic, which probably means that it's on-topic, given the recent past in this thread. I hear that on topic posts are being reported to mods, because they stand out too much. .
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As long as were off topic . . . has anyone reading this thread made the jump from iRule to Demopad? And, if you have made the switch have you had any success getting the ip commands for the JVC working in DemoPad?

Please pm me if you have, or answer in the DemoPad thread.

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I doubt JVC drops the price much on these new projectors or their refresh. The reason for the big price drop on the eshift series is because they are being replaced by native 4k. Eventually e-shift will disappear from the market unless it is e-shift 8k.

The native 4k projectors should hold their price for awhile. Just look at how little Sony has changed pricing on their native 4k line over the years.
One thing is for sure, projectors are not like TV prices. They are pretty darn stable......
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hopefully JVC supplies 2 free bulbs for pain and suffering OR they did not want to give away any free bulbs and delayed availability
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Interesting - JVC changed name in Canada to DLA-NX7B (added B)- likely just means black but maybe revision ?

http://ca.jvc.com/projectors/procision/dla_nx7b/

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Are you seriously comparing the lens on the Benq LK970 to the Sony ARC-F lens?
Yes. Going by an owner who has both, while they're not quite at that level, those particular BenQs have very good glass. Other factors seem to have brought their prices down notwithstanding.

MSRP of $18K for the NX9/RS3000 is a new price category for JVC, but it would be interesting to see what the average street price will be by next year's end.
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It just denotes that it is BLACK. It does not refer to any revision

The same coding system is used in the UK and Europe, where 'B' denotes BLACK and 'W' denotes WHITE: https://eu.jvc.com/projectors/d-ila-projector/

Incidentally, WHITE projectors... go very nicely with WHITE walls... and perhaps finish your home theater/cinema with a mirrored ceiling as well... plus since its Christmas decorate your WHITE projector with some twinkling LED Fairy String Lights aimed at the screen

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It just denotes that it is BLACK. It does not refer to any revision

The same coding system is used in the UK and Europe, where 'B' denotes BLACK and 'W' denotes WHITE: https://eu.jvc.com/projectors/d-ila-projector/

WHITE projectors... go very nicely with WHITE walls... and perhaps finish the room with a mirrored ceiling as well... plus since its Christmas you can always decorate your WHITE projector with some twinkling LED Fairy String Lights aimed at the screen

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It seems very high. Here in Norway, which is considered a very rich country where the wealth is distributed more evenly than the US, I dont think that JVC sells one per 100,000. I would estimate 30 to 50 projectors a years for the entire line.

Lets say that the US has 300 million in population, but a big part of this isnt near a income that will make them potential buyers. So lets say 250 millions. Compared to Norway thats a factor of 50. So 50 x 50 is 2500. So 20,000 to 50,000 seems unlikely that it sells 10 to 20 times more in the US than Norway.
Don't point out the flaws in the US.

Since AVAD buys all of the JVCs in the US, I doubt they are fronting that much money to purchase the entire lot. Also, IIRC AVScience is the biggest seller of JVCs. If Mike and Craig were selling 10k JVCs a year, then they would have retired by now.

I could see a couple of thousand total for the US, but I would guess that is high. I would think no more than two thousand. It must be remembered that while JVC is popular with those in the know they don't have the brand recognition of a Sony among the general public.



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Yes. Going by an owner who has both, while they're not quite at that level, those particular BenQs have very good glass. Other factors seem to have brought their prices down notwithstanding.

MSRP of $18K for the NX9/RS3000 is a new price category for JVC, but it would be interesting to see what the average street price will be by next year's end.
IIRC Kris did say the lens was really good in the 9050 that he reviewed. Of course he said that was about the only good thing about the pj.

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Since AVAD buys all of the JVCs in the US, I doubt they are fronting that much money to purchase the entire lot. Also, IIRC AVScience is the biggest seller of JVCs. If Mike and Craig were selling 10k JVCs a year, then they would have retired by now.

I could see a couple of thousand total for the US, but I would guess that is high. I would think no more than two thousand. It must be remembered that while JVC is popular with those in the know they don't have the brand recognition of a Sony among the general public.
You make some good points, Eric. I'm not in salesman but I think it will depend on how demand changes too.

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IIRC Kris did say the lens was really good in the 9050 that he reviewed. Of course he said that was about the only good thing about the pj.
The lens on the LK970 has been reported to be even better than the HT9050's, and the price drop on their refurbs has been significant. All I was suggesting was that there are things that affect pricing other than the quality of the lens. These displays have a common theme: good processor, good lens, good light engine.

Think about this: You can use the RS3000's lens and its processing/tech (savings?) but if you later add just one word, it will be a game changer --LASER!
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And yet the 1000ES measures circa 300,000 - 350,000:1 peak ON/OFF contrast, which is a very considerable many times the performance of the SONY 995/870ES...

Where the fact of the matter is that if SONY had not deliberately scuttled the SONY 1000ES by withholding the HDR and other upgrades that SONY made to all other pre-existing models as a marketing ploy to boost sales of the 5000ES, then it could very well still be SONY's overall best performing home theater projector, especially if they'd also swapped out the lamp for a laser light source

Suffice to say that I am still waiting for SONY to release a new projector that impresses me as much as the SONY 1000ES did.

So, damn right the 295 is nowhere near the same thing as a 1000ES!

Sure the 295 is technically 4K resolution, but that's with smearing, ghosting, streaking, blooming, and uniformity issues, with a lens quality that's debatable as to whether or not it delineates native 4K content properly, and certainly not optimally.

The fact of the matter is that to attain at least as good native 4K performance as compared with the SONY 1000ES as of right now that's the JVC RS3000/NX9, wherein with an MSRP of $18K today this represents a significant cost reduction as compared with the SONY 1000ES that cost $25K 6 years ago; where in fact the JVC RS3000/NX9 outperforms the SONY 1000ES in pretty much every respect... unlike the SONY 995/870ES, which does not, and yet costs $35K

So, no you most certainly cannot obtain the same standard of 4K performance today for $4K. Sorry!

In short, you get what you pay for, especially when it comes to lenses and optics.

Got a chime in on this one as the obligatory 1000es owner

Here in the UK the 1000es cost 16000 to 18000 £s back in 2012....depending on where you got it from.

Brand new 1000/1100es's are still retailing for that amount now!

The NX9 is going to retail at 18000£(in the uk) so it looks like the price has stayed constant or even increased.

I could probably flog my 1000es from roughly 5000-6000£s on the 2nd hand market and then use the proceeds to contribute towards an NX9.

The 1000es in rec 709 mode is spectacular(literally takes my JVC rs600 to the cleaners each time).


UHDs are more problematic depending on how they have been mastered......but the x800 does a great job of tone mapping the content to the 1000es's capabilities.

The question for me is not so much that the NX9 is better......but how much better?.....and under what conditions.

If I get a lumagen(for about £4000) and link that up to the 1000es.....it might be as good or better than the NX9.

I am assuming the 1000es still has the advantage in ANSI...…something that MarkH reported on when he first got his Z1 and did a mental comparison to his 1100es in 2017.


The achilles heel of the 1000/1100es is the posterization.

It can be fleeting but it is difficult to ignore once you spot it.

This is where I expect the NX9 to eat up the 1000/1100es.
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The lens on these units are comparable. I have both now. The JVC lens is slightly better than the ARC-F from what I have seen. The LK970 lens is 90-95% of the ARC-F from a lens standpoint. The LK970 is sharper due to just the nature of DLP.


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Are you seriously comparing the lens on the Benq LK970 to the Sony ARC-F lens?
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^^ The achilles heel of the 1000/1100 were the degrading panels
That too.....although how prevalent that was amongst all the 1000/1100s that were released is still open to debate.

Posterization/color banding on the other hand is something that has afflicted all 1000/1100es and all the other Sony models(from the 5000es to the lower end 4k models).

If posterization has been eradicated on the 995es then that is something that is worth considering when contemplating an Z1(or Z2),NX9.....or a 995es.
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It seems very high. Here in Norway, which is considered a very rich country where the wealth is distributed more evenly than the US, I dont think that JVC sells one per 100,000. I would estimate 30 to 50 projectors a years for the entire line.

Lets say that the US has 300 million in population, but a big part of this isnt near a income that will make them potential buyers. So lets say 250 millions. Compared to Norway thats a factor of 50. So 50 x 50 is 2500. So 20,000 to 50,000 seems unlikely that it sells 10 to 20 times more in the US than Norway.
You are talking about just consumer JVC projectors. I was talking about all projectors, commercial, consumer, DLP, etc.

I suspect the US sells a lot more per capita projectors than Norway because the US is the largest consumer economy in the world. The US spends a lot more for luxury consumer items than anywhere in the world.

If you are saying 1 in a million consumers in Norway would purchase a JVC projector then that is a laughable number compared to US consumers. I live in a town of 50,000 and I personally know 10 people who own JVCs.

Do you really think that JVC would even have a projector division if they only sold 30 -50 projectors a year for the entire line? I bet Mike G. has more than 30 - 50 pre-orders already for just his company.

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Got a chime in on this one as the obligatory 1000es owner

Here in the UK the 1000es cost 16000 to 18000 £s back in 2012....depending on where you got it from. Brand new 1000/1100es's are still retailing for that amount now! The NX9 is going to retail at 18000£(in the uk) so it looks like the price has stayed constant or even increased.
In the UK and Europe, yes. In the United States, no

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I am assuming the 1000es still has the advantage in ANSI...…something that MarkH reported on when he first got his Z1 and did a mental comparison to his 1100es in 2017.
Nope. The new projectors are reportedly circa 50% higher ANSI contrast performance which would place them essentially on par with the SONY projectors, including the 1000ES.

That said, ANSI is pretty much irrelevant as far as 99.9% of actual video content. It's the contrast between the ON/OFF and 20% ADL (Average Display Luminance) that's most relevant, where ANSI is 50% ADL. Where for example an additional 100 ANSI contrast is by no means going to produce a noticeable difference in video performance in itself, it's a significant bump within the range 0 - 20% ADL that's going to produce the perceivable difference; where brighter content will have superior black levels if the 10 - 20% ADL contrast is comparatively significantly higher

But if the ANSI contrast with the new JVCs is indeed circa 50% higher then this will indubitably not only place the ANSI essentially on par with the SONYs but because the ON/OFF (0% ADL) will be significantly higher then it's likely that the 1 - 20% ADL will be comparatively higher as compared with the SONY 1000ES as well.

In other words, the black levels should be noticeably superior with the JVC RS3000/NX9 with pretty much all video content as compared with the SONY 1000ES


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The achilles heel of the 1000/1100es is the posterization.

It can be fleeting but it is difficult to ignore once you spot it.

This is where I expect the NX9 to eat up the 1000/1100es
That's because the SONY projectors do not process 10-bit colour internally properly, which is why they all currently suffer from posterization/banding issues particularly with HDR content

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Posterization/color banding on the other hand is something that has afflicted all 1000/1100es and all the other Sony models(from the 5000es to the lower end 4k models).
Yup

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If posterization has been eradicated on the 995es then that is something that is worth considering when contemplating an Z1(or Z2),NX9.....or a 995es.
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The lens on these units are comparable. I have both now. The JVC lens is slightly better than the ARC-F from what I have seen. The LK970 lens is 90-95% of the ARC-F from a lens standpoint. The LK970 is sharper due to just the nature of DLP.
In my experience so far, the JVC lens as compared with the ARC-F lens ranges from slightly to significantly superior according to interunit variance; with the spread trending towards the latter

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That too.....although how prevalent that was amongst all the 1000/1100s that were released is still open to debate.
In my experience, VERY prevalent. I recently measured a SONY 1000ES where the native ON/OFF contrast performance has dropped to 1700:1 !

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