Originally Posted by coolgeek
Not true.. They went from $25K to $4k in just a few years in their 4K lineup... When Sony came out with the 1000ES, I said I'll wait 2-3 years for the price to drop to 4K street... everyone one the forum went berserk saying it's impossible... that the lens needed for 4K is what's going to keep the price skyhigh... of course that's all nonsense... we now see 4K projectors (native) at the 4K price... and once there are 3rd party manufacturers for 4K chips, and every company in the world can make a 4K projector, you'll see price drops drastically... it's called the technology S-Curve... initially things move slot, but it'll be a geometric growth as soon as competition gets into the space... not a linear process... right now, we are at the cusp of 2k going 4k in the projector world.. a couple years back that was the TV world... and nowadays, you can get a 4K TV for cheaper than you can get a 2K tv just a few years back...
Originally Posted by Craig Peer
The VW1000 is not the same projector as the VW285, any more than a Yugo is the same car and a BMW or Lexus. And there is no economy of scale for home theater projectors. In fact, look how many brands have dropped out of the home theater projector market in the last 10 years and disappeared. Maybe native 4K projection will trickle down to Epson PC 4050 prices eventually. That would be great. But don't expect a RS3000 quality lens at that price - ever. Good glass never goes down in price.
Originally Posted by GregCh
The modern equivalent for the 1000ES is the 995ES and the price has gone up to $35k.
The 295 is nowhere near the same thing as a 1000ES. Sony may have produced a $4k native 4k projector but in order to do it they went barebones on the lens, light source, no iris, etc. You do notice that the next step up in the 4k native lineup by Sony is $10k and it still doesn't even include an all glass lens.
Sure technology gets cheaper over time. But that is in competitive markets that have large mass sales. In the Home Theater market things move much slower. I really doubt the new RS1000,2000,3000 price will change in the next couple of years and I doubt there will be many significant changes over the next 18 month period.
And yet the 1000ES measures circa 300,000 - 350,000:1 peak ON/OFF contrast, which is a very considerable many times the performance of the SONY 995/870ES...
Where the fact of the matter is that if SONY had not deliberately scuttled the SONY 1000ES by withholding the HDR and other upgrades that SONY made to all other pre-existing models as a marketing ploy to boost sales of the 5000ES, then it could very well still be SONY's overall best performing home theater projector, especially if they'd also swapped out the lamp for a laser light source
Suffice to say that I am still waiting for SONY to release a new projector that impresses me as much as the SONY 1000ES did.
So, damn right the 295 is nowhere near the same thing as a 1000ES!
Sure the 295 is technically 4K resolution, but that's with smearing, ghosting, streaking, blooming, and uniformity issues, with a lens quality that's debatable as to whether or not it delineates native 4K content properly, and certainly not optimally.
The fact of the matter is that to attain at least as good native 4K performance as compared with the SONY 1000ES as of right now that's the JVC RS3000/NX9, wherein with an MSRP of $18K today this represents a significant cost reduction as compared with the SONY 1000ES that cost $25K 6 years ago; where in fact the JVC RS3000/NX9 outperforms the SONY 1000ES in pretty much every respect... unlike the SONY 995/870ES, which does not, and yet costs $35K
So, no you most certainly cannot obtain the same standard of 4K performance today for $4K. Sorry!
In short, you get what you pay for, especially when it comes to lenses and optics.