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I'm on the fence between the NX5 and the NX7 -- and have been for some time (my rear end is getting sore). When I look in the difference in price, it seems small enough to justify the upgrade to the NX\7, even though the specs seem pretty similar except for the contrast ratio. OTOH, when I watch my current projector, which is an old JVC RS1, it still looks pretty darn good (the adage "ignorance is bliss" is somewhat applicable here since I have nothing to compare it to).

So I'm wondering if the NX5 will give me 80% or so of the improvements the NX7 will bring - you know, the usual issue of diminishing returns. But then, I see a lot of folks who aren't in the NX9 territory talking about how they have the NX7 on pre-order, and I hear less talk about the NX5.

So the question I have is: what do you guys think are the meaningful real-world differences between the NX5 and the NX7 that might justify the extra expenditure?
I guess this post is too much on-topic. My bad.

However, I am also trying to decide between putting fireplace glass in a new fireplace or sticking with the more traditional ceramic logs. Any thoughts on that?

Also, I drive a 2017 Subaru.
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They've been vague from the very beginning. First implying these were 1 week from shipping back in October and then suddenly telling us they didn't even start mass manufacturing. Only way we'll know for sure is when they actually show up on someones doorstep.
That is 100% for sure, they will show up sooner or later I can tell you that.

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GREAT NEWS! I just got word from JVC that the new NX units are expected to arrive by JVC early next week.
That will be great news
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I would think if those next week dates were true, JVC would have put out a memo or letter letting dealers know this info. I gather Mike and Chris haven't received such a letter. So again with the unknown status..... But the true and factual status is they will be here when they get here. Not a day sooner or later.
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I would think if those next week dates were true, JVC would have put out a memo or letter letting dealers know this info. I gather Mike and Chris haven't received such a letter. So again with the unknown status..... But the true and factual status is they will be here when they get here. Not a day sooner or later.
The person who posted that is also a JVC dealer. Judging from the fact that it was in quotes, I would assume he is quoting some communication he received and not something he just made up.
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Since JVC announced on the 21st, that production actually started, I do not expect the wait to be very long before we see some units arriving in the US. Looking forward to actually having an owners thread.
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The person who posted that is also a JVC dealer. Judging from the fact that it was in quotes, I would assume he is quoting some communication he received and not something he just made up.
That dealer absolutely could be correct. I hope he gets his ASAP, because that would mean the same for all the other dealers out there.

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GREAT NEWS! I just got word from JVC that the new NX units are expected to arrive by JVC early next week.

"Great news on the production of the DLANX7 and DLANX9. We are expecting our first imports and initial quantities to arrive early next week! They will go through QC testing and then will be available for shipment. The initial imports quantities are small to start, but we are expecting additional units to follow (no set ETA yet). I will keep you updated!"

We've got a couple units allocated to us on that initial shipment; not nearly enough to meet all pre-orders but it's a good start.
That's fantastic news, Brian! Great job keeping us posted. I'm very excited now.
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I would think if those next week dates were true, JVC would have put out a memo or letter letting dealers know this info. I gather Mike and Chris haven't received such a letter. So again with the unknown status..... But the true and factual status is they will be here when they get here. Not a day sooner or later.
That's Brian Gluck of Projectionscreen.com; they're an authorized JVC dealer. I purchased from them in the past; great guy too. Apparently they are getting early NX shipments which is excellent news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm eager to get some impressions, I was slated to get the NX7 before the delay and since I went with the 695es. I love it but I always told myself I'd go back to JVC when they came out. Hopefully they are worth the wait!
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I'm on the fence between the NX5 and the NX7 -- and have been for some time (my rear end is getting sore). When I look in the difference in price, it seems small enough to justify the upgrade to the NX\7, even though the specs seem pretty similar except for the contrast ratio. OTOH, when I watch my current projector, which is an old JVC RS1, it still looks pretty darn good (the adage "ignorance is bliss" is somewhat applicable here since I have nothing to compare it to).

So I'm wondering if the NX5 will give me 80% or so of the improvements the NX7 will bring - you know, the usual issue of diminishing returns. But then, I see a lot of folks who aren't in the NX9 territory talking about how they have the NX7 on pre-order, and I hear less talk about the NX5.

So the question I have is: what do you guys think are the meaningful real-world differences between the NX5 and the NX7 that might justify the extra expenditure?
The two biggest differences are:

● Double the ON/OFF contrast | 80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast

AND

● 103%+ coverage of DCI-P3 Color Gamut vs circa 90% coverage; albeit wih circa 19% (T.B.C.) light reduction due to the BT.2020 color filter but which is partially offfset by slightly higher light output of +100 lumens


Personally I consider the additional cost to be well worth it


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The two biggest differences are:

● Double the ON/OFF contrast | 80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast

AND

● 103%+ coverage of DCI-P3 Color Gamut vs circa 90% coverage; albeit wih circa 19% (T.B.C.) light reduction due to the BT.2020 color filter but which is partially offfset by slightly higher light output of +100 lumens


Personally I consider the additional cost to be well worth it


I agree.
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I would think if those next week dates were true, JVC would have put out a memo or letter letting dealers know this info. I gather Mike and Chris haven't received such a letter. So again with the unknown status..... But the true and factual status is they will be here when they get here. Not a day sooner or later.
JVC put out a memo one business day ago. They said they are proceeding with production. I stated that it does not take long for actual manufacturing and that shipping only took a day. So I expected arrival to happen pretty soon. But once they arrive, they still have to go through customs and JVC USA QC, but neither of those items should take long. As for what I know and what I can say, not always the same.
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I agree.
Most of the people on AVSF agree also, based on the numbers.
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Most of the people on AVSF agree also, based on the numbers.
Unfortunately, I'm at the back of the list of getting one, but I'm patient. All US orders need to be fulfilled.

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Unfortunately, I'm at the back of the list of getting one, but I'm patient. All US orders need to be fulfilled.


I’m a day one RS2000 preorder with Mike, so this is all very exciting to me. I told them regardless of the wait I’d stick with my word on keeping my preorder, glad I made that decision.

I’m putting up a crap ton of velvet covered panels tomorrow, so this is pushing me to finish that also.
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The two biggest differences are:

● Double the ON/OFF contrast | 80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast

AND

● 103%+ coverage of DCI-P3 Color Gamut vs circa 90% coverage; albeit with circa 19% (T.B.C.) light reduction due to the BT.2020 color filter but which is partially offfset by slightly higher light output of +100 lumens
Thanks for your comments, guys. They are sincerely appreciated.

It seems to me that the first difference is likely to be more significant to me than the second, at least at this point. But I wonder how much of a real-world difference it is likely to make. Just as an example, a stereo receiver might have a spec of .05% total harmonic distortion, and another receiver might have a spec of .1 % THD. So it appears that the first receiver's spec is significantly better, but as a practical matter, one has to wonder whether anyone without "golden ears" could hear such a difference. At least, that's my understanding from reading some of the relevant literature/test results in the past.

So my question is whether "80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast" is likely to be a noticeable difference to an average viewer or even a "non-obsessive" enthusiast (assuming there is such a thing).
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I guess this post is too much on-topic. My bad.

However, I am also trying to decide between putting fireplace glass in a new fireplace or sticking with the more traditional ceramic logs. Any thoughts on that?

Also, I drive a 2017 Subaru.
The RS1 is spec'd at 15,000 to 1 and the RX5 is 40,000 to 1, so in that respect, it will be worth the upgrade, assuming that you have a good light controlled room.
And as posted before, HDR tone mapping, better lens, etc. that's assuming that you're going to be watching UHD.

Or you could wait until your RS1 dies and by that time, there will be new stuff that's even better and the RX5/7 will be less expensive.
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The RS1 is spec'd at 15,000 to 1 and the RX5 is 40,000 to 1, so in that respect, it will be worth the upgrade, assuming that you have a good light controlled room. And as posted before, HDR tone mapping, better lens, etc. that's assuming that you're going to be watching UHD.

Or you could wait until your RS1 dies and by that time, there will be new stuff that's even better and the RX5/7 will be less expensive.
OMG, I hope my wife doesn't read that last comment!

Seriously, the one thing that bugs me a bit with the RS1 is the motion processing, and I'm assuming that this will likely be significantly better on models that are quite a few generations (and 12 years) later. Also, the black level, while good for the time, leaves something to be desired. I assume the new models will reveal quite a difference in that area.
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Since JVC announced on the 21st, that production actually started, I do not expect the wait to be very long before we see some units arriving in the US. Looking forward to actually having an owners thread.
I sent you an email like you asked Mike when I spoke to you last Saturday. Didn't see a reply so I thought I would mention it here also.

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I'm on the fence between the NX5 and the NX7 -- and have been for some time (my rear end is getting sore). When I look in the difference in price, it seems small enough to justify the upgrade to the NX\7, even though the specs seem pretty similar except for the contrast ratio. OTOH, when I watch my current projector, which is an old JVC RS1, it still looks pretty darn good (the adage "ignorance is bliss" is somewhat applicable here since I have nothing to compare it to).

So I'm wondering if the NX5 will give me 80% or so of the improvements the NX7 will bring - you know, the usual issue of diminishing returns. But then, I see a lot of folks who aren't in the NX9 territory talking about how they have the NX7 on pre-order, and I hear less talk about the NX5.

So the question I have is: what do you guys think are the meaningful real-world differences between the NX5 and the NX7 that might justify the extra expenditure?
I had the same issue and after hearing from several different people I went with the RS2000/NX7. I don't upgrade my projector every year or 2 and will keep this for many years so that was also a reason why I went with the better RS2000.

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I guess this post is too much on-topic. My bad.

However, I am also trying to decide between putting fireplace glass in a new fireplace or sticking with the more traditional ceramic logs. Any thoughts on that?

Also, I drive a 2017 Subaru.
This made men laugh!

And for the record I drive a 2017 Toyota.

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The two biggest differences are:

● Double the ON/OFF contrast | 80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast

AND

● 103%+ coverage of DCI-P3 Color Gamut vs circa 90% coverage; albeit wih circa 19% (T.B.C.) light reduction due to the BT.2020 color filter but which is partially offfset by slightly higher light output of +100 lumens


Personally I consider the additional cost to be well worth it

And once more I'm reminded that I made the right choice!

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Thanks for your comments, guys. They are sincerely appreciated.

It seems to me that the first difference is likely to be more significant to me than the second, at least at this point. But I wonder how much of a real-world difference it is likely to make. Just as an example, a stereo receiver might have a spec of .05% total harmonic distortion, and another receiver might have a spec of .1 % THD. So it appears that the first receiver's spec is significantly better, but as a practical matter, one has to wonder whether anyone without "golden ears" could hear such a difference. At least, that's my understanding from reading some of the relevant literature/test results in the past.

So my question is whether "80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast" is likely to be a noticeable difference to an average viewer or even a "non-obsessive" enthusiast (assuming there is such a thing).
I also knew if I went with the cheaper NX5/RS1000 I would always be kicking myself so I'm okay with getting the pre-order price on the RS2000.
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So my question is whether "80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast" is likely to be a noticeable difference to an average viewer or even a "non-obsessive" enthusiast (assuming there is such a thing).
The general rule of thumb is that contrast differences are noticeable to a typical viewer when there is a doubling of the value so most people should be able to perceive the contrast difference between these two projectors. That said, if you get the cheaper projector and never view the more expensive one then you can't notice what you missed out on.
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I don't upgrade my projector every year or 2 and will keep this for many years so that was also a reason why I went with the better RS2000.
Yeah, I don't upgrade that often either (as you can see given that I still have an RS1), so I was thinking the same thing.

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Yeah, I was thinking that also. Thanks for your input.
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OMG, I hope my wife doesn't read that last comment!

Seriously, the one thing that bugs me a bit with the RS1 is the motion processing, and I'm assuming that this will likely be significantly better on models that are quite a few generations (and 12 years) later. Also, the black level, while good for the time, leaves something to be desired. I assume the new models will reveal quite a difference in that area.
The RS1 was good at the time ( 2007 ), but everything has improved over the last 11 years. Motion included. If you are only upgrading every 11 years, you are certainly getting your moneys worth out of your projectors ! You're doing it right !
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Re: N5 vs N7 - if your screen is small or has high-gain the N5 might actually be too bright as you don't get the additional lamp iris. The additional lamp iris allows you to reduce the light output on an N7 to be much lower than the lowest setting of N5.

Hopefully the lamp iris mech has been refined though, as on the X7900 it seems both fragile with a spate of failures, and very noisy even when working.
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JVC Japan has officially announced availability for end of January (Japan market)
great news purple X, suspect rest of world should follow

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NEW JVC RS3000/NX9 RS2000/N7 RS1000/N5 Native 4K Projectors Anticipation Thread

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