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The general rule of thumb is that contrast differences are noticeable to a typical viewer when there is a doubling of the value so most people should be able to perceive the contrast difference between these two projectors. That said, if you get the cheaper projector and never view the more expensive one then you can't notice what you missed out on.
Would have to also add the room will have a big effect on contrast too. If you have a RS1000 and 2000 in a room with lighter colored walls and furnishings you may have a difficult time telling any difference in contrast levels.
My guess is if you spend the additional money to get the RS2000 you should also spend some money for room darkening to get the best performance from it.
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Great news that the projectors are comming. So what we have to see now is how large the volume is on this initial shipment is. The interesting thing to know is when the main shipment by sea is comming.

How few will benefit from the initial shipment?

Some here is quoting that between 20,000 to 50,000 in the US are buying JVC projectors, so quite a few will still have to wait for some time?

(I am a skeptical quy, and think this sounds like some sort of panic-action from JVC to get some action out there, but I realize that I am probaly wrong).

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So... the “official “ thread protocol to start is ....
1st owner? (Is this a user forum)
1st dealer to get one stateside? ( is this a dealer forum)
Most prolific AVS poster ? (Ahh, what determines a “good” poster)
it really should be someone that is going to own it and stick with it. keep the 1st post fully updated over the long haul, etc. A good (bad..) example was the RS500/600 thread. nearly 1.5 million views, tons of great info spread throughout the thread and OP only had a few updates, last in early 2016 only a few months after release.

that's just one example but unfortunately happens too often.
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Great news that the projectors are comming. So what we have to see now is how large the volume is on this initial shipment is. The interesting thing to know is when the main shipment by sea is comming.

How few will benefit from the initial shipment?
I do not know but we will find out soon enough it is looking......
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So... the “official “ thread protocol to start is ....
1st owner? (Is this a user forum)
1st dealer to get one stateside? ( is this a dealer forum)
Most prolific AVS poster ? (Ahh, what determines a “good” poster)
it really should be someone that is going to own it and stick with it. keep the 1st post fully updated over the long haul, etc. A good (bad..) example was the RS500/600 thread. nearly 1.5 million views, tons of great info spread throughout the thread and OP only had a few updates, last in early 2016 only a few months after release.

that's just one example but unfortunately happens too often.
I nominate Nigel, so he can update the first post with his test results when he has them
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You are correct, actual quote from JVC themselves. I would expect some of the other dealers on AVS will be getting similar messages today. This one did not come in the form of an official announcement from Japan, but as a personal communication from the powers that be at JVC here in the USA letting me know the good news and what my allocation will be from the first shipment (which of course I did not include in my post).
Or it could be, the guys that know early are asked not to say specifics. Why do you think I have been dropping hints for the last few days.
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The two biggest differences are:

● Double the ON/OFF contrast | 80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast

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● 103%+ coverage of DCI-P3 Color Gamut vs circa 90% coverage; albeit wih circa 19% (T.B.C.) light reduction due to the BT.2020 color filter but which is partially offfset by slightly higher light output of +100 lumens


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Thanks for your comments, guys. They are sincerely appreciated.

It seems to me that the first difference is likely to be more significant to me than the second, at least at this point. But I wonder how much of a real-world difference it is likely to make. Just as an example, a stereo receiver might have a spec of .05% total harmonic distortion, and another receiver might have a spec of .1 % THD. So it appears that the first receiver's spec is significantly better, but as a practical matter, one has to wonder whether anyone without "golden ears" could hear such a difference. At least, that's my understanding from reading some of the relevant literature/test results in the past.

So my question is whether "80,000:1 vs 40,000:1 native ON/OFF contrast and 800,000:1 vs 400,000:1 dynamic ON/OFF contrast" is likely to be a noticeable difference to an average viewer or even a "non-obsessive" enthusiast (assuming there is such a thing).
I would not understimate what can be the noticeable effects of significantly better chroma / color performance. This can enrich the image to a considerable degree, depending upon to what extent is the difference. Also, it has a synergistic effect with increased contrast performance to the extent that it should be a double-whammy of additional video performance.

I should add that the difference in contrast performance, unlike with the eShift range, is NOT simply due to binning and cherry-picking D-ILA panels. In other words, they are not the same identical components; there now exists a hardware difference.

Either way I do not think that the perceivable difference will be slight

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Or it could be, the guys that know early are asked not to say specifics. Why do you think I have been dropping hints for the last few days.
If I see at the offical communcation before, and suddenly some units is rushed to the market now, to me it seems a little strange, but that is the half empty glass that is talking. The half full glass is happy that some units is comming.

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Great news that the projectors are comming. So what we have to see now is how large the volume is on this initial shipment is. The interesting thing to know is when the main shipment by sea is comming.

How few will benefit from the initial shipment?

Some here is quoting that between 20,000 to 50,000 in the US are buying JVC projectors, so quite a few will still have to wait for some time?

(I am a skeptical quy, and think this sounds like some sort of panic-action from JVC to get some action out there, but I realize that I am probaly wrong).
They could probably fill the Norwegian allocation on a Cessna 2xx!
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it really should be someone that is going to own it and stick with it. keep the 1st post fully updated over the long haul, etc. A good (bad..) example was the RS500/600 thread. nearly 1.5 million views, tons of great info spread throughout the thread and OP only had a few updates, last in early 2016 only a few months after release.

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I nominate Nigel, so he can update the first post with his test results when he has them
Well I will be receiving mine out of the first delivery to Europe, so I should be one of the first Owner's... and I suppose will be going to town regards feeding back results of comprehensive evaluation, analysis, and measurements etc. so I would be happy to oblige and take on this responsibility and commit to keeping the OP fuly updated over time if that's what people would like. That said, I don't want to steal the role away from someone else if folks feel somebody else would be more suitable. What does everyone else think?

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it really should be someone that is going to own it and stick with it. keep the 1st post fully updated over the long haul, etc. A good (bad..) example was the RS500/600 thread. nearly 1.5 million views, tons of great info spread throughout the thread and OP only had a few updates, last in early 2016 only a few months after release.

that's just one example but unfortunately happens too often.
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I nominate Nigel, so he can update the first post with his test results when he has them
Well I will be receiving mine out of the first delivery to Europe, so I should be one of the first Owner's... and I suppose will be going to town regards feeding back results of comprehensive evaluation, analysis, and measurements etc. so I would be happy to oblige and take on this responsibility and commit to keeping the OP fuly updated over time if that's what people would like. That said, I don't want to steal the role away from someone else if folks feel somebody else would be more suitable. What does everyone else think? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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Anyone that promises to update the first post regularly so the thread doesn't become 500 pages of people asking the same questions has my vote!
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Would have to also add the room will have a big effect on contrast too. If you have a RS1000 and 2000 in a room with lighter colored walls and furnishings you may have a difficult time telling any difference in contrast levels.
My guess is if you spend the additional money to get the RS2000 you should also spend some money for room darkening to get the best performance from it.
I think this is a misnomer. The difference between the RS1000 and RS2000 is in on/off contrast and will be noticeable in very black scenes when the projector is projecting almost no light. If you have no ambient light in your room but you have white walls and furnishings, the black when the projector is in its blackest mode is still the same. It's the ANSI contrast that gets lowered. It requires some decent light coming from the screen to reflect back off those white walls to wash out the blacks. The RS1000 and RS2000 have the same ANSI contrast specs so it should be fully noticeable the difference between the two in any light controlled room regardless of wall colors.
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Anyone that promises to update the first post regularly so the thread doesn't become 500 pages of people asking the same questions has my vote!
Well, I could add a rolling Q&A to the initial post and keep this updated with all the various questions and answers that arise over time. That way we can create a useful resource for new owners. How does that sound?

However, I do consider it important that the Owner's thread remain an Owner's thread... where I am going to also be carrying out some direct comparisons versus the equivalent SONY projectors for example, so I would need to setup a separate thread for all of that kind of comparison type stuff

Although I am conscious of the fact that historically it's typically been Owner's who don't work professionally within the AV industry who are the ones to OP Owner's threads, so I wouldn't want to upset the apple cart in any way... So I'm interested to hear what others think about this

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If I see at the offical communcation before, and suddenly some units is rushed to the market now, to me it seems a little strange, but that is the half empty glass that is talking. The half full glass is happy that some units is comming.
There are production delays every single year with different electronics. If these show up soon it will be a 2 month delay, I have seen 6 months. I have seen product lines released for a few runs, then bam, plant closed, and product taken off the books forever. Samsung OLED comes to mind.
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Well, I could add a rolling Q&A to the initial post and keep this updated with all the various questions and answers that arise over time. That way we can create a useful resource for new owners. How does that sound?

However, I do consider it important that the Owner's thread remain an Owner's thread... where I am going to also be carrying out some direct comparisons versus the equivalent SONY projectors for example, so I would need to setup a separate thread for all of that kind of comparison type stuff

Although I am conscious of the fact that historically it's typically been Owner's who don't work professionally within the AV industry who are the ones to OP Owner's threads, so I wouldn't want to upset the apple cart in any way... So I'm interested to hear what others think about this

Whether it's done here, or in a new Owner's thread, I personally don't care, but I think most here trust your evaluations to be as objective and unbiased as possible, which is what AV'Science' is all about. I for one have no problem with your starting an Owner's thread at the appropriate time, and keeping that first post or two updated.

And when you do get yours delivered, I would suspect you'd want to be as thorough as possible, to base your observations on a wealth of evidence, and I think that's the way to do it.

But at the same time, many are likely waiting to get some information on production units as soon as possible, to clinch their decision to commit significant funds to any of these models. In that regard, you might consider posting some preliminary observations, on such matters as DI function, Sync times, whether or not there are any unexpected findings (either positive or negative), etc., as well as general comments on whether the production units live up to the considerable hype that is present so far, that can be used in finalizing those decisions.

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I would not understimate what can be the noticeable effects of significantly better chroma / color performance. This can enrich the image to a considerable degree, depending upon to what extent is the difference. Also, it has a synergistic effect with increased contrast performance to the extent that it should be a double-whammy of additional video performance. Either way I do not think that the perceivable difference will be slight

I have come to the conclusion that the P3 filter is very important. I went to Marry Poppins at the theater in the Dolby Vision theater and then we watch a Hulu Marry Poppins that was hooked up to the Dolby Vision ATV and TV and the colors were not even close to what the movie was like. Sold me big time to be sure to get as high color performance as I can get.
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The owners thread should serve a few goals...

- owner resource links

- product reviews

- calibration options and recommendations

- technical reviews and evaluations

- customer support advice

- owner feedback, questions and comments.

I believe many of us would agree it is practically impossible to avoid endless questions, even if info is available early in the thread.

The post count of any thread is somewhat proportional to the excitement generated by the product. Those really exciting products are just going to generate lots of interest and comment.

Problems can also generate activity, but such activity which serves to find remedies for owners is a good thing.

The larger HT community is best served by candid discussion, letting the chips fall where they may.

I look forward to the new owners thread getting underway.

Ps... it is not uncommon for folks to post to create placeholders which they can fill out later. I know Javs and I did that in the X40/x90/x990 owners thread.
Hey @Bytehoven how about you? You've done a great job with the JVC - 20LTD - RS640 (x990/x9900) - RS540 (X790/x7900) - Owners Thread

How about you also be the OP for the RS3000/NX9 and RS2000/NX7/N7 Owners Thread? There's going to be quite a lot in common so it would kinda make sense, if you are up for it

I'm very happy to play Robin to your Batman so to speak and post my measurements and findings etc in a supporting role. What do to you think?

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JVC put out a memo one business day ago. They said they are proceeding with production. I stated that it does not take long for actual manufacturing and that shipping only took a day. So I expected arrival to happen pretty soon. But once they arrive, they still have to go through customs and JVC USA QC, but neither of those items should take long. As for what I know and what I can say, not always the same.

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Re: N5 vs N7 - if your screen is small or has high-gain the N5 might actually be too bright as you don't get the additional lamp iris. The additional lamp iris allows you to reduce the light output on an N7 to be much lower than the lowest setting of N5.
Interesting point. I have a Da-Lite High Power screen, and the gain will like range from 1.8 to 2.2, depending on where I end up placing the projector.

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I would not understimate what can be the noticeable effects of significantly better chroma / color performance. This can enrich the image to a considerable degree, depending upon to what extent is the difference. Also, it has a synergistic effect with increased contrast performance to the extent that it should be a double-whammy of additional video performance.
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I have come to the conclusion that the P3 filter is very important. I went to Marry Poppins at the theater in the Dolby Vision theater and then we watch a Hulu Marry Poppins that was hooked up to the Dolby Vision ATV and TV and the colors were not even close to what the movie was like. Sold me big time to be sure to get as high color performance as I can get.
So did I! I watched Mary Poppins Returns in the Dolby Cinema in New York next to Times Square and Central Park (AMC Empire 25) the day before yesterday. The colors were fantastic!

That said, shame about the fact there's still a lot of enviromental lighting wherein the image you are seeing on screen is only circa 80,000:1 contrast performance, which still considerably superior as compared with typical commericial cinemas, but nothing like what it would be in a properly blacked out environment.

However, as impressive as the Dolby Vision projectors in Dolby Cinemas are, the video performance is inferior to the performance of the new projector by CHRISTIE that utlizes the same technology but which offers significantly superior video performance in more ways than one: NEW CHRISTIE HIGH CONTRAST 4K HDR RGB LASER PROJECTOR

My point being that even what you will be experiencing in Dolby Cinemas is not the best that can be achieved as of right now. Seriously, you should see the color performance of this new Christie projector. Coupled with the increased contrast the image is utterly mesmerizing. Where in this regard it has the same double-whammy of concomitant higher contrast and better chroma/color performance as does the difference between the JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 and the JVC RS2000/NX7/N7, but on a grander scale. That projector in itself is irrefutable proof of just how much chroma/color can affect overall video image quality

And it is because of this that I have to applaud JVC for taking the chroma/color performance with these new projectors not just to 100% of DCI-P3 but in fact above and beyond.

Where even with content that isn't mastered to fully take advantage of what is above the 100% of DCI-P3 mark, albeit with the increasingly expanding library of consumer video content mastered for BT.2020 they most certainly will , this should in all instances lead to better tracking of the DCI-P3 primaries and secondaries, and hence overall comparatively significantly superior chroma/color performance as compared with other projectors that achieve significantly less coverage of DCI-P3 with not-so-good tracking of the primaries and secondaries.

Which by the way, I am not sure whether many people realize this but %age gamut coverage is not the only important influencing factor here, it is also how well it tracks the primaries and secondaries that's important, meaning you can have two projectors with identical %age gamut coverage but where one is perceivably superior as compared with the other if the tracking of the primaries and secondaries significantly differs.

[PLEASE NOTE: I am referencing this Christie projector solely because it is relevant to this discussion and not because I am seeking to promote this projector or Christie as a brand. At the time of writing this post I have never in my life to date sold nor currently sell Christie projectors]


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So did I! I watched Mary Poppins Returns in the Dolby Cinema in New York next to Times Square and Central Park (AMC Empire 25) the day before yesterday. The colors were fantastic!

That said, shame about the fact there's still a lot of enviromental lighting wherein the image you are seeing on screen is only circa 80,000:1 contrast performance, which still considerably superior as compared with typical commericial cinemas, but nothing like what it would be in a properly blacked out environment.

However, as impressive as the Dolby Vision projectors in Dolby Cinemas are, the video performance is inferior to the performance of the new projector by CHRISTIE that utlizes the same technology but which offers significantly superior video performance in more ways than one: NEW CHRISTIE HIGH CONTRAST 4K HDR RGB LASER PROJECTOR

My point being that even what you will be experiencing in Dolby Cinemas is not the best that can be achieved as of right now. Seriously, you should see the color performance of this new Christie projector. Coupled with the increased contrast the image is utterly mesmerizing. Where in this regard it has the same double-whammy of concomitant higher contrast and better chroma/color performance as does the difference between the JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 and the JVC RS2000/NX7/N7, but on a grander scale. That projector in itself is irrefutable proof of just how much chroma/color can affect overall video image quality

And it is because of this that I have to applaud JVC for taking the chroma/color performance with these new projectors not just to 100% of DCI-P3 but in fact above and beyond.

Where even with content that isn't mastered to fully take advantage of what is above the 100% of DCI-P3 mark, albeit with the increasingly expanding library of consumer video content mastered for BT.2020 they most certainly will , this should in all instances lead to better tracking of the DCI-P3 primaries and secondaries, and hence overall comparatively significantly superior chroma/color performance as compared with other projectors that achieve significantly less coverage of DCI-P3 with not-so-good tracking of the primaries and secondaries.

Which by the way, I am not sure whether many people realize this but %age gamut coverage is not the only important influencing factor here, it is also how well it tracks the primaries and secondaries that's important, meaning you can have two projectors with identical %age gamut coverage but where one is perceivably superior as compared with the other if the tracking of the primaries and secondaries significantly differs.

[PLEASE NOTE: I am referencing this Christie projector solely because it is relevant to this discussion and not because I am seeking to promote this projector or Christie as a brand. At the time of writing this post I have never in my life to date sold nor currently sell Christie projectors]

Agreed and I am sure that the Christie is amazing. Now if I could just win that PowerBall. I have not seen a lot of information on the comparison of projectors on how well the track the primaries and secondary's. I may have missed it. See everyting about contrast. That is something I would be very interested in. How does JVC and the new projectors compare to the Sony.

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I would not understimate what can be the noticeable effects of significantly better chroma / color performance. This can enrich the image to a considerable degree, depending upon to what extent is the difference. Also, it has a synergistic effect with increased contrast performance to the extent that it should be a double-whammy of additional video performance.

I should add that the difference in contrast performance, unlike with the eShift range, is NOT simply due to binning and cherry-picking D-ILA panels. In other words, they are not the same identical components; there now exists a hardware difference.

Either way I do not think that the perceivable difference will be slight

Would this indicate bright corners and unit to unit variance less of an issue now?
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Re: N5 vs N7 - if your screen is small or has high-gain the N5 might actually be too bright as you don't get the additional lamp iris. The additional lamp iris allows you to reduce the light output on an N7 to be much lower than the lowest setting of N5.

Hopefully the lamp iris mech has been refined though, as on the X7900 it seems both fragile with a spate of failures, and very noisy even when working.

The RS1000/N5 actually does have the dynamic iris. This is why I chose it. The native contrast difference between 5/7(1000/2000) may be noticeable, but I currently have an RS40 which has black levels that I find very good . With the addition of the iris as well as slightly higher native contrast, I doubt i'll have any complaints about black levels of the RS1000. I have an OLED tv and while I can definitely tell the difference between the two, I don't find the black level of my RS40 to be the area I need the upgrade in... for me, at this point it's resolution/sharpness. The RS40 throws a great picture but it's a bit soft and obviously cant handle 4K. I avoided the e-shift because I wanted my upgrade to be noticeable when I finally made the jump.



So for me, the biggest consideration is the 103% P3 vs 90~%. I'm pretty sure, side by side, i'd be able to see the difference, but this is one area where not seeing the better one will definitely help. I'm going to put the price-difference in a bucket for a new model in 5+ yrs.
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Agreed and I am sure that the Christie is amazing. Now if I could just win that PowerBall. I have not seen a lot of information on the comparison of projectors on how well the track the primaries and secondary's. I may have missed it. See everyting about contrast. That is something I would be very interested in. How does JVC and the new projectors compare to the Sony.

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Would this indicate bright corners and unit to unit variance less of an issue now?
Not necessarily. All I know from JVC at this stage is that there exists a hardware difference with respect to the RS2000/NX7/N7's higher contrast performance as compared with the RS1000/NX5/N5. There will almost certainly still be inter-unit variance, wherein to what degree I will be hopefully able to impart some information because I will be evaluating multiple units and will be specifically assessing this, so should be able to provide some data points regarding variance in this regard.

Regarding 'bright corners' this phenomenon is by no means associated exclusively with JVC projectors, but in fact ALL projectors that are LCoS technology based, so that includes both JVC D-ILA and SONY SXRD for starters. Where, if you were to measure the sides/corners of SONY SXRD projectors you will find quite the difference in luminance as well. Specifically regarding the new JVC projectors I will be assessing and measuring such differences, amongst other things, so I will be able to feedback accordingly once I have received my units. One thing I can say is that I have not seen bright sides or corners with any of the pre-production units that I have experienced so far, however, this is only a small sample, and does not mean that the situation is any different than previously. I will of course also be measuring and assessing the SONYs in this department was well both in their own right and as directly compared with the JVCs. Should be interesting

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The RS1000/N5 actually does have the dynamic iris. This is why I chose it. The native contrast difference between 5/7(1000/2000) may be noticeable, but I currently have an RS40 which has black levels that I find very good . With the addition of the iris as well as slightly higher native contrast, I doubt i'll have any complaints about black levels of the RS1000. I have an OLED tv and while I can definitely tell the difference between the two, I don't find the black level of my RS40 to be the area I need the upgrade in... for me, at this point it's resolution/sharpness. The RS40 throws a great picture but it's a bit soft and obviously cant handle 4K. I avoided the e-shift because I wanted my upgrade to be noticeable when I finally made the jump.

So for me, the biggest consideration is the 103% P3 vs 90~%. I'm pretty sure, side by side, i'd be able to see the difference, but this is one area where not seeing the better one will definitely help. I'm going to put the price-difference in a bucket for a new model in 5+ yrs.
Sorry, you've not followed the argument.

The N5 has 1 iris mechanism; the lens iris. This is hooked up to the DI algorithms or can be driven manually from the UI.
The N7/NX9 have 2 iris mechanisms, the lens iris and the lamp iris. The lens iris is hooked up to the DI algorithms and can be driven manually, with the lamp iris only being driven manually, being set to a level based on the "base" iris setting that you have (ie the manual setting that was displayed before enabling DI)

The N5 - if it behaves like the previous ranges - will be at around 450 lumens with the single lens iris fully closed. The N7/NX9 - again if behaves like the previous models - should be able to have light output reduced to below 250 lumens when both irises are closed.

This is important to folk who care about correct light levels for the relevant standards and have small screens and / or high gain screens. In those situations it is possible that the N5 won't be able to get dark enough for you to hit the standards, whereas on the N7/NX9 you'll almost certainly be able to make it dark enough on all but the tiniest screens.
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I would not understimate what can be the noticeable effects of significantly better chroma / color performance. This can enrich the image to a considerable degree, depending upon to what extent is the difference. Also, it has a synergistic effect with increased contrast performance to the extent that it should be a double-whammy of additional video performance.

I should add that the difference in contrast performance, unlike with the eShift range, is NOT simply due to binning and cherry-picking D-ILA panels. In other words, they are not the same identical components; there now exists a hardware difference.

Either way I do not think that the perceivable difference will be slight

The bulk of the 80,000 vs 40,000 comes the same way as it does on the existing units surely? I thought most of it is from the addition of the lamp iris, with a small portion coming from the increased lumens (which are achieved by using the very top of the panel response).
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The bulk of the 80,000 vs 40,000 comes the same way as it does on the existing units surely? I thought most of it is from the addition of the lamp iris, with a small portion coming from the increased lumens (which are achieved by using the very top of the panel response).
There’s a noticeable difference in native Contrast even with the iris wide open.
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