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post #12391 of 13653 Old 12-27-2018, 10:46 AM
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Sorry, you've not followed the argument.

The N5 has 1 iris mechanism; the lens iris. This is hooked up to the DI algorithms or can be driven manually from the UI.
The N7/NX9 have 2 iris mechanisms, the lens iris and the lamp iris. The lens iris is hooked up to the DI algorithms and can be driven manually, with the lamp iris only being driven manually, being set to a level based on the "base" iris setting that you have (ie the manual setting that was displayed before enabling DI)

The N5 - if it behaves like the previous ranges - will be at around 450 lumens with the single lens iris fully closed. The N7/NX9 - again if behaves like the previous models - should be able to have light output reduced to below 250 lumens when both irises are closed.

This is important to folk who care about correct light levels for the relevant standards and have small screens and / or high gain screens. In those situations it is possible that the N5 won't be able to get dark enough for you to hit the standards, whereas on the N7/NX9 you'll almost certainly be able to make it dark enough on all but the tiniest screens.

Ah. You're right. I did not know the N7/N9 had the additional lamp iris....interesting...
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There’s a noticeable difference in native Contrast even with the iris wide open.
I'm not aware of anyone getting intimate with their X7/X9xxx light engine and removing the entire iris mech; I think it is quite possible the iris mech's presence reduces light scatter even when fully open.

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Ah. You're right. I did not know the N7/N9 had the additional lamp iris....interesting...
It's been this way since at least the X3/X7/X9 series - 7 and 9 have always had the lamp iris.
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I have come to the conclusion that the P3 filter is very important. I went to Marry Poppins at the theater in the Dolby Vision theater and then we watch a Hulu Marry Poppins that was hooked up to the Dolby Vision ATV and TV and the colors were not even close to what the movie was like. Sold me big time to be sure to get as high color performance as I can get.
This has been discussed a few times (and I cannot speak about the new Mary Poppins), but the filter is most important for content which reaches near 100% saturation points which is largely animation. However, comparing a DV theatrical experience to that at home introduces a lot of different variables which can impact the perception of color aside from technology differences, calibration, etc. Interestingly enough, a lot of movies (non-animation) at rec 2020 tend to have a more nuanced saturation level when compared to the rec 709 BD version which can look a little more artificially pumped up by comparison especially with a more limited dynamic range.
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Interesting point. I have a Da-Lite High Power screen, and the gain will like range from 1.8 to 2.2, depending on where I end up placing the projector.

Thanks.
As another owner of the High Power 2.8 screen (measured about 2.0 in my setup), I will second bobof advice to definitely go for the models with dual irises (N7/NX9). Even with dual irises, I found the RS600/R640 too bright for SDR on my small 106" screen, even with both irises clamped all the way down. I can only imagine what it would have looked like with only a single iris. Excessive brightness on these projectors is a bad thing because it exposes various flaws in the source material (such as compression artifacts) and raises your black floor. Also seems to make the grain/texture of the HP screen material more noticeable. The additional flexibility to fine tune peak brightness is more valuable to me than the higher contrast specs.

One caveat to the above advice would be for anyone sensitive to JVC brightness flicker/pulsating. If you're in that group, it will render some of the dual iris benefits moot since you can't lower the iris very far before the flicker becomes too distracting. It's still unknown if this is an issue that was improved on these new models.
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One caveat to the above advice would be for anyone sensitive to JVC brightness flicker/pulsating. If you're in that group, it will render some of the dual iris benefits moot since you can't lower the iris very far before the flicker becomes too distracting. It's still unknown if this is an issue that was improved on these new models.
It was still there on the N5 I saw a few weeks ago. I wasn't looking for it but there was a test pattern on screen and the pulsating caught my attention straight away.

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One caveat to the above advice would be for anyone sensitive to JVC brightness flicker/pulsating. If you're in that group, it will render some of the dual iris benefits moot since you can't lower the iris very far before the flicker becomes too distracting. It's still unknown if this is an issue that was improved on these new models.
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Hello Nigel and thanks for the vote of confidence. However, because i am not in line to be an early adopter of the next series, the new owners thread would be better served by someone investing in one of the new products... Im looking forward to watching from the side lines and supporting whoever takes on the challenge.
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I nominate Nigel, so he can update the first post with his test results when he has them
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Whether it's done here, or in a new Owner's thread, I personally don't care, but I think most here trust your evaluations to be as objective and unbiased as possible, which is what AV'Science' is all about. I for one have no problem with your starting an Owner's thread... Hopefully it won't be long now!
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Anyone that promises to update the first post regularly so the thread doesn't become 500 pages of people asking the same questions has my vote!
Well, OK then!

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And when you do get yours delivered, I would suspect you'd want to be as thorough as possible, to base your observations on a wealth of evidence, and I think that's the way to do it.

But at the same time, many are likely waiting to get some information on production units as soon as possible, to clinch their decision to commit significant funds to any of these models. In that regard, you might consider posting some preliminary observations, on such matters as DI function, Sync times, whether or not there are any unexpected findings (either positive or negative), etc., as well as general comments on whether the production units live up to the considerable hype that is present so far, that can be used in finalizing those decisions.
You're absolutely correct that I will be wanting to be as thorough as possible; however, as you rightly say, many folks will be wanting objective feedback ASAP so I will indeed post my feedback accordingly, providing preliminary information as soon as is physically possible and then continuously adding to this as I complete the evaluation process; a bit like how I did with respect to the SONY 885/760ES, however this time, instead of posting the salient information across many posts throughout the thread what I will do is to continuously add to and thereby flesh out the initial posts in the thread such that all the information is retained right at the start of the thread. How does that sound?

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I know this was how it was done for all the previous models, but personally I think the models are way more similar to one another than they are different - discussions on tone mapping, custom curves, autocal etc apply equally to all three models.

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I know this was how it was done for all the previous models, but personally I think the models are way more similar to one another than they are different - discussions on tone mapping, custom curves, autocal etc apply equally to all three models.

Definitely should be just one for all three. Should have always been the case.
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I know this was how it was done for all the previous models, but personally I think the models are way more similar to one another than they are different - discussions on tone mapping, custom curves, autocal etc apply equally to all three models.
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Definitely should be just one for all three. Should have always been the case.
Very happy to go with the majority view... What does everyone else think? One owners thread for all models or keep split into two threads as per historically?

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Very happy to go with the majority view... What does everyone else think? One owners thread for all models or keep split into two threads as per historically?

I'd lean toward a single Thread, as I think all 3 models have more in common than they have differences. There is often redundant, parallel posting dealing with the same issues with the current divisions, and given how many interesting tangents arise, it might be better contained within a single thread.

As an RS400 owner, I found myself posting much more in the RS600 thread simply because the traffic was much greater there, with more knowledge and expertise available (with some exceptions, of course). I ended up having to follow both threads to learn what I needed to.

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Very happy to go with the majority view... What does everyone else think? One owners thread for all models or keep split into two threads as per historically?

Let's make avsforum history with one thread.
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Very happy to go with the majority view... What does everyone else think? One owners thread for all models or keep split into two threads as per historically?





I would second one thread for all the. Even JVC manual is just one PDF


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I'd lean toward a single Thread, as I think all 3 models have more in common than they have differences. There is often redundant, parallel posting dealing with the same issues with the current divisions, and given how many interesting tangents arise, it might be better contained within a single thread.

As an RS400 owner, I found myself posting much more in the RS600 thread simply because the traffic was much greater there, with more knowledge and expertise available (with some exceptions, of course). I ended up having to follow both threads to learn what I needed to.
The lens and 8K eshift does make the RS3000 a bit different from the RS1000 and 2000 though. For sure the RS1000 & 2000 should be in one thread.

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As another owner of the High Power 2.8 screen (measured about 2.0 in my setup), I will second bobof advice to definitely go for the models with dual irises (N7/NX9). Even with dual irises, I found the RS600/R640 too bright for SDR on my small 106" screen, even with both irises clamped all the way down. I can only imagine what it would have looked like with only a single iris. Excessive brightness on these projectors is a bad thing because it exposes various flaws in the source material (such as compression artifacts) and raises your black floor. Also seems to make the grain/texture of the HP screen material more noticeable. The additional flexibility to fine tune peak brightness is more valuable to me than the higher contrast specs.

One caveat to the above advice would be for anyone sensitive to JVC brightness flicker/pulsating. If you're in that group, it will render some of the dual iris benefits moot since you can't lower the iris very far before the flicker becomes too distracting. It's still unknown if this is an issue that was improved on these new models.

I remember back in the RS1 days, people who felt the image was too bright used neutral density filters...I'm curious if this would still be an option for those going with the RS1000/NX5.
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I'm up for a single thread too. I'd imagine that the number of RS1000/N5 owners will be few compared to the RS2000/RS3000.

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The lens and 8K eshift does make the RS3000 a bit different from the RS1000 and 2000 though. For sure the RS1000 & 2000 should be in one thread.
True. In a sense, the NX9 stands in its own category due to the different lens and the 8k eShift, as you point out. On the other hand, the lack of the Filter and Double Aperture put the NX5 in its own category, apart from the other 2.

But I think there is more to be gained by addressing their similarities in a single thread, in terms of overall efficiency, while discussion of the features they don't share in common can still take place within the thread with minimal disruption (or at least no more disruption than usually takes places in an AVS thread!!).

And it appears the 'ayes' have it, so one thread it is! Thanks to Nigel for heading this up.

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I'm up for a single thread too. I'd imagine that the number of RS1000/N5 owners will be few compared to the RS2000/RS3000.
You think so? I would love to go up to the 2000/3000, but that's a lot of dough....

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Can some of the experts in all things JVC describe and comment on the differences between the RS 3000 vs. RS2000 - on paper at least. I know the RS2000 has been absent at all the venues. That's why I'm interested in the theoretical differences. I view the 8K e shift as a non issue due to the handling of native 4K sources that are upscaled to 8K to then be E shifted. Maybe I'm wrong on that point, so correct me if I'm wrong.
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