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Anybody knows the real life difference between the N5 and the Epson 5040? Will it be worth the extra money
No comparison. Even the previous generation JVCs (including the lowly x570, x590) have way better picture quality than the 5040, which I had and kept only for a month.
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Hopefully this will be our week. If people are already being charged for the rs3000 the other 2 shouldn’t be far behind.

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No comparison. Even the previous generation JVCs (including the lowly x570, x590) have way better picture quality than the 5040, which I had and kept only for a month.
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I have seen both side by side. Unless you're a videophile, the answer is no.. especially when the price of the 5040 is so low now... the Epson is really that good! for a budget projector! in fact, after checking out all that is on offer right now, I have decided to get the Epson as my projector to wait for the next year or 2 so that they can get all the HDR and HDMI stuff together...
Well that settles it......
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Well that settles it......
That’s what you get when you ask for opinions. They are a dime a dozen.
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Well that settles it......
Well we've got the possible range of opinions covered I think. LOL

The thing that really turns me off for the 5040UB is the low bandwidth HDMI. That just makes it a PITA IMO for dealing with streaming. Admittedly I think you can manage to get 24fps out of streaming boxes *most* of the time now, but still not ideal at all.
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I've seen these Epsons a few times and to be honest they've not been very impressive; having said that they've not been in great rooms either.
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Hopefully this will be our week. If people are already being charged for the rs3000 the other 2 shouldn’t be far behind.
That's right.....What an exciting time.

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No comparison. Even the previous generation JVCs (including the lowly x570, x590) have way better picture quality than the 5040, which I had and kept only for a month.
I did a head to head to head with a JVC RS520, Epson 5040, and Optoma UHD65.

Same room, same movies. Let's just say I kept the JVC .

I have owned various Epsons over the years and they are good projectors but if you have the budget just get the JVC it's in a whole different league.
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Anybody knows the real life difference between the N5 and the Epson 5040? Will it be worth the extra money
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I have seen both side by side. Unless you're a videophile, the answer is no.. especially when the price of the 5040 is so low now... the Epson is really that good! for a budget projector! in fact, after checking out all that is on offer right now, I have decided to get the Epson as my projector to wait for the next year or 2 so that they can get all the HDR and HDMI stuff together...

Might want to do a search in the RS440 thread. Several people in that thread moved from 5040 to the RS440 and all of them spoke of it as a nice improvement. The 1000 has several improvements over the 440 the gap will just be bigger.

1000 is native 4K. 5040 E-shift
1000 has 40,000:1 best case and around 15,000:1 worst case native contrast. The 5040 is around 6,000:1.
The 1000 has 18Gbps HDMI. The 5040 has 10.2Gbps HDMI
The 5040 has the DCI P3 color filter, but can only do about 700 lumens with filter in place, so not really usable.
Calibrated the 1000 and 5040 are about the same light output, though 5040 can be brighter non calibrated, but picture color will be off quite a bit.
1000 has auto tone mapping.
1000 is quieter in low lamp and much quieter in high lamp.
The 1000 can do vertical stretch with 4k content for an A-lens
1000 can store a lot more info in lens memory.
1000 has a better lens, though the lens in the 5040 is pretty good.
1000 if it is like the 440, should be better with 3D. Will have less ghosting.
5040 is cheaper.
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Might want to do a search in the RS440 thread. Several people in that thread moved from 5040 to the RS440 and all of them spoke of it as a nice improvement.
And I don’t know of anyone going the other way
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I've seen these Epsons a few times and to be honest they've not been very impressive; having said that they've not been in great rooms either.
Totally agree. Epson is a great low cost "pretty OK" projector. You can make a really "sort of good" room out of Epson and Bose. No awesome room will be driven by Epson. I would describe Epson as "not bad". I guess if you're going for "not bad" theater room where you can describe how much $$ you didn't spend, go Epson.

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1000 is native 4K. 5040 E-shift
Pixel Shift. E-shift is a JVC marketing term. I guess the technical term is "4k enhancement".
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Might want to do a search in the RS440 thread. Several people in that thread moved from 5040 to the RS440 and all of them spoke of it as a nice improvement. The 1000 has several improvements over the 440 the gap will just be bigger.

1000 is native 4K. 5040 E-shift
1000 has 40,000:1 best case and around 15,000:1 worst case native contrast. The 5040 is around 6,000:1.
The 1000 has 18Gbps HDMI. The 5040 has 10.2Gbps HDMI
The 5040 has the DCI P3 color filter, but can only do about 700 lumens with filter in place, so not really usable.
Calibrated the 1000 and 5040 are about the same light output, though 5040 can be brighter non calibrated, but picture color will be off quite a bit.
1000 has auto tone mapping.
1000 is quieter in low lamp and much quieter in high lamp.
The 1000 can do vertical stretch with 4k content for an A-lens
1000 can store a lot more info in lens memory.
1000 has a better lens, though the lens in the 5040 is pretty good.
1000 if it is like the 440, should be better with 3D. Will have less ghosting.
5040 is cheaper.

Good list.
Would add 1000 has better fill ratio on pixels. 5040 LCD pixels can be like looking through screen door.
5040 remote more capable, but Harmony with 1000 even better.


(I know you've posted this in past, just adding here for completeness)


Edit: screen door bad enough can even see it at times on a 117" wide screen 9-10 feet away using an A lens, especially on bright uniform background. Looking forward to JVC's
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I've seen these Epsons a few times and to be honest they've not been very impressive; having said that they've not been in great rooms either.
Have you seen either the 7300 or 9300 at Ricky's? I was able to compare the 9300 to the N5 and it did a lot better than expected.

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Have you seen either the 7300 or 9300 at Ricky's? I was able to compare the 9300 to the N5 and it did a lot better than expected.


What content?


On some content, I admittedly wonder if ordering JVC was worth it,

On other content, I can't wait for JVC to get here!



Strangely, there is variance on both dark and bright content.

On some dark content, the DI makes Epson pretty watchable. Other times the greys come to bear,

On bright content, mostly good, but pixel grid can rear its ugly head, especially on bright uniform backgrounds.


I think the JVC will be more consistently good across varied content
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What content?


On some content, I admittedly wonder if ordering JVC was worth it,

On other content, I can't wait for JVC to get here!



Strangely, there is variance on both dark and bright content.

On some dark content, the DI makes Epson pretty watchable. Other times the greys come to bear,

On bright content, mostly good, but pixel grid can rear its ugly head, especially on bright uniform backgrounds.


I think the JVC will be more consistently good across varied content
Things we watched with the N5/9300 were the latest Jumanji and Infinity War, both in 4K, and some other stuff I can't quite remember - we did use the end T-Rex scene from the first Jurassic World but can't remember if that was BD or UHD. The new entry level 4K Sony was also on demo and being compared at the time as well. I guess I remember the 9300 more because it compared better than expected in this set up. It was used because one of the other guys there owned one so it was more out of interest than anything else, and the another guy had an N5 on pre-order but wanted to see it in action before actually buying it. He didn't in the end and now has something else.

I had seen the 9300 against an eshift JVC a couple of years ago, and there the contrast/black level differences were more obvious, but everything else looked similar - image sharpness was comparable, with small convergence errors being more noticeable than anything else when up close to the screen, pausing Batman on his bike Vs The Joker (TDK?).

I think it's quite likely that the different algorithms and DI capabilities would show up the differences you mention as JVC seem to have got a pretty good handle on it now, and I think Epsons DI isn't quite there yet. With current prices for the outgoing 9300 I think it represents very good value though.
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Good list.
Would add 1000 has better fill ratio on pixels. 5040 LCD pixels can be like looking through screen door.
5040 remote more capable, but Harmony with 1000 even better.


(I know you've posted this in past, just adding here for completeness)


Edit: screen door bad enough can even see it at times on a 117" wide screen 9-10 feet away using an A lens, especially on bright uniform background. Looking forward to JVC's
This is exactly why we were waiting for native 4K. There was nothing wrong with the picture on my Sim Lumis, except I could start to see pixels on my 118" wide screen at 12'. So in my opinion, even 1080p content benefits being watched on a 4K projector - because you can sit closer if you want ( or I suppose have a larger screen ) !
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Might want to do a search in the RS440 thread. Several people in that thread moved from 5040 to the RS440 and all of them spoke of it as a nice improvement. The 1000 has several improvements over the 440 the gap will just be bigger.

1000 is native 4K. 5040 E-shift
1000 has 40,000:1 best case and around 15,000:1 worst case native contrast. The 5040 is around 6,000:1.
The 1000 has 18Gbps HDMI. The 5040 has 10.2Gbps HDMI
The 5040 has the DCI P3 color filter, but can only do about 700 lumens with filter in place, so not really usable.
Calibrated the 1000 and 5040 are about the same light output, though 5040 can be brighter non calibrated, but picture color will be off quite a bit.
1000 has auto tone mapping.
1000 is quieter in low lamp and much quieter in high lamp.
The 1000 can do vertical stretch with 4k content for an A-lens
1000 can store a lot more info in lens memory.
1000 has a better lens, though the lens in the 5040 is pretty good.
1000 if it is like the 440, should be better with 3D. Will have less ghosting.
5040 is cheaper.

Considering the 5040 is several thousand cheaper you should be able to do a blind test and in 10 seconds know which one you are looking at by a wide margin. The prices between these two aren't even close and you would expect the picture quality to reflect that.
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Well that settles it......
Don't get me wrong. The JVC is definitely better.. but the question was is it worth it? I guess that depends on how deep pockets ppl are... if money is no object then the JVC, but if you're like me, can only afford a flagship projector once every 5-6 years, i really see no reason to buy the JVC now or any of the flagships now as they haven't gotten everything right yet... we'll see the dust settles inside of 2 years i guess. The Epson is stunning for the price esp for the street prices nowadays.

BTW: You'll also have to be careful about superlatives on these forums.. such as 'this will kick that one's ass', 'night and day', 'colors completely off', etc... you'll really have to see the projectors yourself first and see if you liked them. I have many times gotten something that's 'truly amazing' on these forums, then have a chance to see them, and i am like, 'oh, ok, nice, but no tingling sensations all over my body type nice'... and then i have seen projectors that are so called 'dregs of the lot' and when i see them, 'hey, not that bad at all'...
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Don't get me wrong. The JVC is definitely better.. but the question was is it worth it? I guess that depends on how deep pockets ppl are... if money is no object then the JVC, but if you're like me, can only afford a flagship projector once every 5-6 years, i really see no reason to buy the JVC now or any of the flagships now as they haven't gotten everything right yet... we'll see the dust settles inside of 2 years i guess. The Epson is stunning for the price esp for the street prices nowadays.

BTW: You'll also have to be careful about superlatives on these forums.. such as 'this will kick that one's ass', 'night and day', 'colors completely off', etc... you'll really have to see the projectors yourself first and see if you liked them. I have many times gotten something that's 'truly amazing' on these forums, then have a chance to see them, and i am like, 'oh, ok, nice, but no tingling sensations all over my body type nice'... and then i have seen projectors that are so called 'dregs of the lot' and when i see them, 'hey, not that bad at all'...
Would it make more sense to compare the 5040 to the JVC 540? Prices have dropped to a MSRP of $3999 and it will have a much higher contrast compared to the 5040.
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Don't get me wrong. The JVC is definitely better.. but the question was is it worth it? I guess that depends on how deep pockets ppl are... if money is no object then the JVC, but if you're like me, can only afford a flagship projector once every 5-6 years, i really see no reason to buy the JVC now or any of the flagships now as they haven't gotten everything right yet... we'll see the dust settles inside of 2 years i guess. The Epson is stunning for the price esp for the street prices nowadays.

BTW: You'll also have to be careful about superlatives on these forums.. such as 'this will kick that one's ass', 'night and day', 'colors completely off', etc... you'll really have to see the projectors yourself first and see if you liked them. I have many times gotten something that's 'truly amazing' on these forums, then have a chance to see them, and i am like, 'oh, ok, nice, but no tingling sensations all over my body type nice'... and then i have seen projectors that are so called 'dregs of the lot' and when i see them, 'hey, not that bad at all'...
Depends which JVC projector model and when you buy. If you wait for closeout and Bstock you can get steep discounts off MSRP. I was able to get 50% off MSRP on a new closeout JVC model when I bought.
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Would it make more sense to compare the 5040 to the JVC 540? Prices have dropped to a MSRP of $3999 and it will have a much higher contrast compared to the 5040.



That's still close to double what you can get a 5040 for. As was brought up earlier, the 5040 is at a pretty low price point right now for the value. By all accounts the 5040 is an inferior home theater projector and for the price it had better be so by a wide margin. The 640 was only about 10% higher than the 540 price you're showing as of about 10 days ago assuming they still have inventory left. Now you're talking about getting a lot of projector for the money.
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Have you seen either the 7300 or 9300 at Ricky's? I was able to compare the 9300 to the N5 and it did a lot better than expected.
No, I've seen it in an owner's house on an ALR screen in a grey room, at Jags place on an AT screen (filmex) without any useful light control in the room, and at a pretty dark dedicated room at one of the UK distributors. I found it most impressive on the ALR screen to be honest but my direct comparison there was my own X30 at the time on the same ALR screen surface in my own home which had white walls in that room. Resolution was better on the Epson but as you'd expect the contrast was quite a bit better even on a JVC of yesteryear.

It would be nice to see it directly compared in A/B at some point on the same screen at the same time.
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I think it's quite likely that the different algorithms and DI capabilities would show up the differences you mention as JVC seem to have got a pretty good handle on it now, and I think Epsons DI isn't quite there yet. With current prices for the outgoing 9300 I think it represents very good value though.
Out of interest, do you think the DI is any better on the new range than the X7900?

I had another of my "hate DI, turn it off forever (honest)" moments yesterday. Watching House of Cards (nice having a screen that masks down to less common ratios like 2.0) - in a dimly lit scene with some bright highlights the DI pumping was pretty noticeable, with the whole scene luminance fluctuating several times - obviously the scene was just on the cusp of triggering the DI level change.
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I debated on where to post this bust since my RS2000 isn't in my hands yet I decided this was probably the place. 7 years ago when I got my first projector I threw together a box but it was very basic and honestly not a good design. With news my mythical yeti might be showing up sooner than later I decided it time to get to work on designing a new hush box and I want to get opinions on the design.

I have a 4" vent in my ceiling above the projector location that pulls air into the adjacent utility room using two 8" duct fans in series. It moves good air. So my thought with this design was to separate the front of the box from the rear and pull the hot air from the front chamber. As a precaution and also as a source of air to pull from I wanted to add to side vents to the front chamber in case the project fan was accidentally not turned on the hot air should just vent to the room. The rear chamber pulls cool fresh air in through the back bottom vent. I think I have good spacing and size of my ventilation but interested in hearing what you guys think. The cream color is where I will use a foam to seal against the projector. All exterior surfaces and vent openings will be in velvet.

My only real concern is the proximity of the front of the projector to the front of the box but it appears the exhaust vents are shaped to direct air to the sides. Can anyone help confirm that for me?

I have attached the sketchup file as well as that might be easier to look at if anyone was interested.

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Side Exhaust / Vent fan inlet


Side Exhast / Vent fan inlet with side panels removed


Rear Fresh intake


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Out of interest, do you think the DI is any better on the new range than the X7900?

I had another of my "hate DI, turn it off forever (honest)" moments yesterday. Watching House of Cards (nice having a screen that masks down to less common ratios like 2.0) - in a dimly lit scene with some bright highlights the DI pumping was pretty noticeable, with the whole scene luminance fluctuating several times - obviously the scene was just on the cusp of triggering the DI level change.
Im like you, I went back in 3 days ago and turned it back on, two days of artifacts really drives me nuts, its off again! However I can live with no DI on the X9900, not sure if I could on the lesser models.

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I debated on where to post this bust since my RS2000 isn't in my hands yet I decided this was probably the place. 7 years ago when I got my first projector I threw together a box but it was very basic and honestly not a good design. With news my mythical yeti might be showing up sooner than later I decided it time to get to work on designing a new hush box and I want to get opinions on the design.

I have a 4" vent in my ceiling above the projector location that pulls air into the adjacent utility room using two 8" duct fans in series. It moves good air. So my thought with this design was to separate the front of the box from the rear and pull the hot air from the front chamber. As a precaution and also as a source of air to pull from I wanted to add to side vents to the front chamber in case the project fan was accidentally not turned on the hot air should just vent to the room. The rear chamber pulls cool fresh air in through the back bottom vent. I think I have good spacing and size of my ventilation but interested in hearing what you guys think. The cream color is where I will use a foam to seal against the projector. All exterior surfaces and vent openings will be in velvet.

My only real concern is the proximity of the front of the projector to the front of the box but it appears the exhaust vents are shaped to direct air to the sides. Can anyone help confirm that for me?
I guess you're making the (Perhaps dangerous) assumption that there isn't any heat radiated out to the rear of the front section; that it all manages to leave via the exhausts.
Would you to that end not be better off with the split in the box being towards the back end of the box? Otherwise any radiated heat from the chassis is either added to the inlet air temperature or hangs around cooking stuff slowly.
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Im like you, I went back in 3 days ago and turned it back on, two days of artifacts really drives me nuts, its off again! However I can live with no DI on the X9900, not sure if I could on the lesser models.
Hehe, I'd done the same. Noticed I'd turned it off, so turned it back on again 3 days ago, only to turn it back off last night. 3 days in reality is only watching 8-10 hours of content for me.
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I was watching Superman II (1980) recently and was surprised to notice the product placement - every TV in the movie was a JVC.
Capedwonder found this little promotional JVC gem from December 1978...in anticipation of the then new Superman The Movie

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