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My North American JVC Dealer had also sent me an email today stating that I would get my JVC DLA-NX7 in the 2nd or 3rd week of January..
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Not true if you have the proper curves. See the comparison between 75 nits peak and 120 nits peak; nowhere near 37% darker.

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re eki facebook post, anyone with any more insights to provide a bit more back ground around the below ? he is ever so brief with the drip feeds.... leaves a bit wanting I would suggest



is there some sort of embargo on comments or something because I think a bit more substance is required to back up this stuff. how long does it take to make these comparisons anyways ? seems to be weeks eeeking out with this stuff ? and yet all some crumbs....

EDIT: as has been pointed out.... the JVC photo is clearly with camera mis focussed - noting the screen perforations which are not even in focus ! bizarre ... I will leave it at that....

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Color filter is going to reduce brightness by 18% regardless of curves or iris settings.
No, colour filter reduces the peak luminance, so only affects specular highlights or very saturated bright colours. The curve can bring the mid tone and “normal” highlights back to the same level. See the comparison pictures (75 nits vs 120 nits). Often you can’t even tell which is which. See the previous link for more.


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No, colour filter reduces the peak luminance, so only affects specular highlights or very saturated bright colours. The curve can bring the mid tone and “normal” highlights back to the same level. See the comparison pictures. Often you can’t even tell which is which.
No it darkens the entire picture, you wouldn't have to bring back mid tone and "normal" highlights if they weren't being reduced in the first place.

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Thats great news! Do you know when the others models will start hitting out shores?
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No it darkens the entire picture, you wouldn't have to bring back mid tone and "normal" highlights if they were being reduced in the first place.
Unless you have 4000 nits peak, you would have to have a curve for tone mapping in any case, so it’s just a matter of designing the curve according to the peak nits. It’s not literally “bringing back” from one curve to the other.

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re eki facebook post, anyone with any more insights to provide a bit more back ground around the below ? he is ever so brief with the drip feeds.... leaves a bit wanting I would suggest



is there some sort of embargo on comments or something because I think a bit more substance is required to back up this stuff. how long does it take to make these comparisons anyways ? seems to be weeks eeeking out with this stuff ? and yet all some crumbs....
I think that's what @*Mori* mentioned right after the shootout, where the Sony was sharper for black on white (Windows desktop) but they were the same for white on black. I wouldn't have expected the NX9 to look that bad in comparison though (yet it has no CA but the Sony has a touch of it, but that wouldn't be noticeable except like here at the screen).
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re eki facebook post, anyone with any more insights to provide a bit more back ground around the below ? he is ever so brief with the drip feeds.... leaves a bit wanting I would suggest

is there some sort of embargo on comments or something because I think a bit more substance is required to back up this stuff. how long does it take to make these comparisons anyways ? seems to be weeks eeeking out with this stuff ? and yet all some crumbs....
I don't know if I can really take anything Ekki posts anymore as serious. He used to be a good unbiased reviewer but lately he has been so pro Sony and has spread so much misinformation that I am skeptical of any new information he provides. I will wait and see what Kris Deering and Arrow-AV provide for comparisons.
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His camera seems out of focus on the JVC image. Even the screen perforations are out of focus.
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I think that's what @Mori mentioned right after the shootout, where the Sony was sharper for black on white (Windows desktop) but they were the same for white on black. I wouldn't have expected the NX9 to look that bad in comparison though (yet it has no CA but the Sony has a touch of it, but that wouldn't be noticeable except like here at the screen).
yeah am looking for a bit more context. I dont really care much for at the screen type comparisons as since if at viewing distance a non event, then would be a non event.

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I don't know if I can really take anything Ekki posts anymore as serious. He used to be a good unbiased reviewer but lately he has been so pro Sony and has spread so much misinformation that I am skeptical of any new information he provides. I will wait and see what Kris Deering and Arrow-AV provide for comparisons.
yeah I read he had some major bust up with jvc, so take his comments with a mountain of himalayan salt still any info is info in this complete lack of info we seem to have .... even with units now shipping bizarre !
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I think that's what @Mori mentioned right after the shootout, where the Sony was sharper for black on white (Windows desktop) but they were the same for white on black. I wouldn't have expected the NX9 to look that bad in comparison though (yet it has no CA but the Sony has a touch of it, but that wouldn't be noticeable except like here at the screen).
I don't buy it, that picture simply looks out of focus.
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His camera seems out of focus on the JVC image. Even the screen perforations are out of focus.
that is a very good point actually. the screen perfs are a going point of reference. and you are right they are QUITE out of focus ???? kinda crazy he'd put a photo up like that if SO flawed ! I would have re taken the photo or just not posted it

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His camera seems out of focus on the JVC image. Even the screen perforations are out of focus.
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I think it is more like Ekki is applying his own Reality Manipulation filter.
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I think that's what @Mori mentioned right after the shootout, where the Sony was sharper...
I'm calling B.S. on this... you can very clearly see that the JVC image is all out of focus, so the difference in focus is NOT relating to what is the actual performance of the projectors


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His camera seems out of focus on the JVC image. Even the screen perforations are out of focus.
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I don't buy it, that picture simply looks out of focus.
Precisely. Total and utter B.S.

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No it darkens the entire picture, you wouldn't have to bring back mid tone and "normal" highlights if they weren't being reduced in the first place.
There are some slightly perverse arguments you can get into around this.

No one is watching HDR content on projectors in "Panel Gamma" - everything is tone mapped, the question is what is the map.
Some thoughts to mess with your thought process and mojo:

1) HDR is not High Brightness, but High Dynamic Range. Black to midtone is just as important as midtone to specular highlights (arguably more important).
2) If all you did is have extra brightness from leaving the filter off, your peak white has improved but contrast has actually stayed the same. But your native black level has worsened.
3) Now, if you have two maps that put the bulk of the midtone of the dynamic range in more-or-less the same luminance range, you've actually given yourself improved dynamic range between black and the midtone in the case with the filter in place and lower peak brightness, and improved contrast between the midtone and black. Albeit at the cost of some of the top end of the dynamic range at the very top (specular highlights)... But you can't have all the specular highlights described anyway. You are already MILES away from what those specular highights should be. I mean, a highlight which should be 1000nits is, for example, 164nits instead of 200nits. (20% vs 16.4% of target). Doesn't sound like a lot in those terms. For a 10000 nit title it is even bigger.
4) In putting the filter in place you're also representing the black - midtone area of the dynamic range with more of the panel gamma, so you have improved colour resolution between the midtone and black.

It's just not as clearcut as more peak brightness is the best HDR image.
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His camera seems out of focus on the JVC image. Even the screen perforations are out of focus.
Yep. It does not make sense to post that pic, unless you had an agenda. It is clearly out of focus, but only on the JVC. As you said, if image was in focus, microperf would be sharp.
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Yep. It does not make sense to post that pic, unless you had an agenda. It is clearly out of focus, but only on the JVC. As you said, if image was in focus, microperf would be sharp.
He has an agenda, personally i never bought into the he hates jvc loves sony argument until now. No way he forgot to "focus" his camera in a direct comparison when the only thing he had todo was focus his camera.
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There are some slightly perverse arguments you can get into around this.

No one is watching HDR content on projectors in "Panel Gamma" - everything is tone mapped, the question is what is the map.
Some thoughts to mess with your thought process and mojo:

1) HDR is not High Brightness, but High Dynamic Range. Black to midtone is just as important as midtone to specular highlights (arguably more important).
2) If all you did is have extra brightness from leaving the filter off, your peak contrast has actually stayed the same. But your native black level has worsened.
3) Now, if you have two maps that put the bulk of the midtone of the dynamic range in more-or-less the same luminance range, you've actually given yourself improved dynamic range between black and the midtone in the case with the filter in place and lower peak brightness, and improved contrast between the midtone and black. Albeit at the cost of some of the top end of the dynamic range at the very top (specular highlights)... But you can't have all the specular highlights described anyway. You are already MILES away from what those specular highights should be. I mean, a highlight which should be 1000nits is, for example, 164nits instead of 200nits. (20% vs 16.4% of target). Doesn't sound like a lot in those terms. For a 10000 nit title it is even bigger.
4) In putting the filter in place you're also representing the black - midtone area of the dynamic range with more of the panel gamma, so you have improved colour resolution between the midtone and black.

It's just not as clearcut as more peak brightness is the best HDR image.
Another complication is color volume. It is all fine and well to hit P3 colorspace at gamma 2.4 but what happens to that colorspace at brighter and dimmer levels. You need more light intensity and better color saturation to fill out the color volume properly at higher gamma levels.

So brighter is better only when you don't sacrifice color saturation, black levels, and contrast levels. It is a tough balance with projection systems.
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Just FYI this is what @*Mori* wrote in the 995 thread from the shootout he attended:

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Interestingly: we compared a Windows folder with several file names. Tiny black fonts on white background. Text was more distinct and better to read on both of the Sony. Even at the edge. However if you did a test with white writings on dark background the NX9 was better.
So much to the better lense ..
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I fear jvc and others will focus more R&D on support of 8k resolution, while dropping the ball on maximizing the performance of the 4k light engine as they did with 1080.
I don't see this happening at JVC. Perhaps at Sony. But JVC has been known for highest contrast and i would expect their 4k line to be around for a very long time. At some point it may turn into 8k e-shift across the board, but I wouldn't expect 8K panels anytime in the next 5+ years. It's just not needed and 8K vs 4K is not going to be noticeable even at 160 screen sizes with how far back people like to sit. I don't think I'd notice 8k vs 4k at 7 feet from my 135". I think JVC knows this.

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Yep. It does not make sense to post that pic, unless you had an agenda. It is clearly out of focus, but only on the JVC. As you said, if image was in focus, microperf would be sharp.
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Oh for Heaven's Sake! I'm calling total B.S. on this... you can very clearly see that either: (1) the JVC image has been photoshopped since it's all blurred including the physical screen and perforations; OR: (2) Ekki has deliberately changed the camera focus settings prior to photographing the JVC to deliberately blur the image so as to create the illusion that the SONY is 'superior'.

Sorry, but I will be filing this in the same B.S. folder as the SONY 885/760ES producing 80,000:1 contrast as well as the SONY 995/870ES producing 50,000:1 contrast and the dynamic dimming increasing the contrast dynamic range by a x2.5 multiplier... which as it happens the same folder that also contains photos of flying pigs, and the technical specifications for glass hammers and left-handed screwdrivers. What a load of baloney!

And so the list of examples continues to grow and get longer and longer...

Yup. It's gotten beyond a joke now

Could it be the e-shift element that’s doing this, Ekki also only measured 1:145 ANSI contrast.
@Mori saw this blurring with his own eyes, he was there.

Hopefully Mori can tell more,,,
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Could it be the e-shift element that’s doing this, Ekki also only measured 1:145 ANSI contrast.
@Mori saw this blurring with his own eyes, he was there.

Hopefully Mori can tell more,,,
e-shift can't blur the physical perforations in the screen. Nor can e-shift alter the native RGB values from the camera.

Comeon this is blatant distortion by Ekki for who knows what reason.
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