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The text should actually read:


The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.


Then every letter of the alphabet is used.


In Arrow's version, there is no use of the letter 's'.
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Yea, that was very important in the day of type writers when you needed to test every key and letter, but not so much for video pixel tests. I doubt that there's anything in the font of the letter 's' that would demonstrate poor 4K resolution that would be missed by the rest of this diagram.
I think that he is JOKING...

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Frankly, I'm disgusted. There has clearly been an attempt to subvert the results of the comparison. Everyone knows that Sony's have far superior rendering of the letter S, with JVC blurring this letter in disgust at it having been used in a competitor's name.
I DEMAND A REFUND.
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Yea, that was very important in the day of type writers when you needed to test every key and letter, but not so much for video pixel tests. I doubt that there's anything in the font of the letter 's' that would demonstrate poor 4K resolution that would be missed by the rest of this diagram.
I see you're in on the scam too! :-p
Surely the s is the most difficult letter to accurately represent? :-p
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check the owner thread, there are n7 photos being posted... in box and out
Thanks, I just found the owner's thread this morning.
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Mike dont they say even if one turns off e-shift on the NX9 its still not really off and could affect the image to some degree?
Nope, if you turn off E-shift, E-shift is off.
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Nope, if you turn off E-shift, E-shift is off.
I think the point made previously was that the lens element that shifts the pixels is still in the light path, even when e-shift is switched off.
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I think the point made previously was that the lens element that shifts the pixels is still in the light path, even when e-shift is switched off.
And how is that different from any of the last few E-shift projectors? Also that is what was said to have lowered the ANSI, but per their measurement it was not lowered. ANSI is hard to measure and if anything, comes out on the low side, if not properly set up. So waiting for more numbers.
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I heard the word free today as in free lamp.

Will be a lamp coupon for a new PK-L2618.
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Would be wonderful!
JVC will be announcing details today at CES.
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And how is that different from any of the last few E-shift projectors? Also that is what was said to have lowered the ANSI, but per their measurement it was not lowered. ANSI is hard to measure and if anything, comes out on the low side, if not properly set up. So waiting for more numbers.
I guess its different in that the native pixels are a quarter of the size, so there might be more possibility of inter-pixel light scatter caused by the e-shift element, especially given that Woofer has noted his Z1 is still sharper.

I'm just surmising - as you say, we need more data points.
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I guess its different in that the native pixels are a quarter of the size, so there might be more possibility of inter-pixel light scatter caused by the e-shift element, especially given that Woofer has noted his Z1 is still sharper.

I'm just surmising - as you say, we need more data points.
The 4500 lens should not be better than the RS3000 lens, but like everything manufactured, there are tolerances. If you look at several of each, you would find they averaged the same. Might even find the 3000 slightly ahead, since improvements were reportedly made on the 3000 lens. But do not know if the improvement result in actual improvement in the performance.
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Has anyone heard info on when the NX7s will be shipped? Sounds like JVC is focusing on a few NX9s but us with less disposable income want our projectors also. Mid to end of March maybe??
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That is a bit like asking upfront how long a car engine will last until it loses some HP. I guess nobody can give you that assurance.
Do you think that an automobile manufacturer can stay in the market for 13 years manufacturing models whose engine loses power massively?

What is the use of comparing the ON / OFF or ANSI contrast of a Sony projector, if we know that it can have a loss of up to 90% of its value?

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I have measured a batch of one year old VW760 couple of weeks ago, where no one showed any degradation at all. However, this is still a rather short period of time, too short, to conclude it will not happen anytime. If you really switch projectors every 2-3 years, I do not think you will really get to the point anyway.

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The model 760 is Laser, and from what we have seen in the Epson Laser models, it seems that they do not degrade, or otherwise they degrade very slowly. Can you affirm the same in the lamp models?

It is true that you were one of the first to warn of the problem of degradation in the Sony projectors and for that reason I got in touch with you, but why has your attitude changed?

Lately problems have been detected in the LG OLEDs of 2018 and some reviewers such as Vincent Teoh and John Archer have made this problem public asking for a solution to LG:

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And it seems that LG has recognized the problem and has answered:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#40e09fe72c25

I expected the same from you and not this: http://www.cine4home.de/knowhow/sony...ngzeittest.htm

I believe that consumers and affected people have the right to know what has happened in these years, what the problem is, how it can be fixed and if Sony solved it in all its projectors.
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I have to say I really like the new design of the projector...and remote for that matter.
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I'm going for the N7 for that precise reason -- not based on my own analysis or expertise, but on what others have said. Plus, it seems to me that at the end of the day the real-world price difference between the two models will like warrant the upgrade for the other additional features offered by the N7 -- which is why I would guess that people keep saying it will probably be the most popular model.
Thanks - I just saw your posts in the 'owners' thread. I think I'm with you.... Need to go with the N7 if you want to be able to get decent HDR and SDR.

It will be interesting to see what what N5 owners have to say and what they do when it comes to HDR vs SDR. I'm no expert but it seems like if you go with the N5 you'll need to pick HDR or SDR.
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Thanks - I just saw your posts in the 'owners' thread. I think I'm with you.... Need to go with the N7 if you want to be able to get decent HDR and SDR.

It will be interesting to see what what N5 owners have to say and what they do when it comes to HDR vs SDR. I'm no expert but it seems like if you go with the N5 you'll need to pick HDR or SDR.
Depends on the setup. If someone has a large enough screen/throw that the N5 is fine for SDR in low lamp (16+ FL, but not too high) they can run high lamp for HDR to hit that closer to 30 FL range most seem to like. I think the only setup that it would be too hard is a short throw and small screen because SDR would be way too bright, but you can use filters over the lens as someone mentioned to drop the brightness.
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Depends on the setup. If someone has a large enough screen/throw that the N5 is fine for SDR in low lamp (16+ FL, but not too high) they can run high lamp for HDR to hit that closer to 30 FL range most seem to like. I think the only setup that it would be too hard is a short throw and small screen because SDR would be way too bright, but you can use filters over the lens as someone mentioned to drop the brightness.
Oh - I'll have to do some checking on a filter - maybe that would be the answer!

Playing with calculators I haven't really been able to cover HDR/SDR at decent levels with any screen size... But... I certainly don't know what I'm doing!
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Oh - I'll have to do some checking on a filter - maybe that would be the answer!

Playing with calculators I haven't really been able to cover HDR/SDR at decent levels with any screen size... But... I certainly don't know what I'm doing!
Calculators are hard to use as well since they dont take into account calibration drops and aging. If you know your throw and screen sizes you can get a general idea, if you wait until some reviews come out they will give you the calibrated low lamp and high lamp values and you can use those to try and figure out how it would play out in your room. If you are that worried about it though, the NX7 would solve those issues because the manual iris would allow you to drop the lumen output for SDR and run it full out for HDR. I have a short throw and small screen so I immediately went NX7 for those reasons, my Sony is limited on iris now to keep the output low enough for SDR.
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It's not that I couldn't afford the NS2000 it was if the difference was worth it. Without seeing them I had to go with my gut. Many times I've seen things and been able to compare and don't feel that the more expensive option is worth it. In this case though I felt like what the RS2000 offered over the RS1000 was worth it. I'm also doing this more for the HDR benefits soo if I wasn't worried about that i would have just stayed with my RS4810 as I still love the picture it throws.

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It's not that I couldn't afford the NS2000 it was if the difference was worth it. Without seeing them I had to go with my gut. Many times I've seen things and been able to compare and don't feel that the more expensive option is worth it. In this case though I felt like what the RS2000 offered over the RS1000 was worth it. I'm also doing this more for the HDR benefits soo if I wasn't worried about that i would have just stayed with my RS4810 as I still love the picture it throws.
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RE: the NX5/RS1000 brightness, the issue is there is no second iris, so it can only reduce output so far (I think Mike said around 40%). So on low lamp with the iris clamped down, any screen above 90" with a "normal" gain is fine, even if the projector is as far forward as you can get it. For moderate gain, you would want to move the projector back if possible to keep your brightness down around 30fL with low lamp and the iris closed as far as it will go. But if you have a smaller high gain screen, like a 100" 2.8 gain, you will have too much light for SDR in a dark room no matter what you do.
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Having an easily removable ND filter may help if the 50% reduction allowed an acceptable level of reflectance.
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Need some help figuring out what mount to get for my NX5.

Screen is 132” 16x9 screen.

Projector will be mounted 14 ft. from the screen.
Ceiling height is 8’9”.
The bottom of the screen is 26” off the ground.
The top of the screen is 7’3” off the ground.

Can I get away with using this without a mounting pole? https://www.amazon.com/Peerless-AV-P.../dp/B000TXNS6G
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Need some help figuring out what mount to get for my NX5.

Screen is 132” 16x9 screen.

Projector will be mounted 14 ft. from the screen.
Ceiling height is 8’9”.
The bottom of the screen is 26” off the ground.
The top of the screen is 7’3” off the ground.

Can I get away with using this without a mounting pole? https://www.amazon.com/Peerless-AV-P.../dp/B000TXNS6G
That mount will work fine. I have one for my RS4810 and ordered another one for my RS2000 since I'm moving my RS4810 to my sports room. Several other people have ordered it also.

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That mount will work fine. I have one for my RS4810 and ordered another one for my RS2000 since I'm moving my RS4810 to my sports room. Several other people have ordered it also.
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