Originally Posted by markmon1
Why does anyone care what Epson is going to do? If you want grey blacks, buy an optoma.
Originally Posted by RaceCarDriver
You don’t have to like Epson, but you should respect them. They gobble up market share year after year.
Originally Posted by markmon1
Well sure, why not.. They're a perfectly mediocre option. For those that want a "I guess it's pretty good" theater, they're the way to go. But I don't get the point. Sony and JVC are both significantly better. Optoma / BenQ are both cheaper. Epson is sort of just there.
Markmon, sorry, I'm obviously a newbie and a little defensive, but would not dismiss EPSON as worse than ALL Sony's. I did compare to lower end, and for money was not impressed, they looked grey in store to me and wasn't about to fork out that much money for kid to play video games on. I did make big mistake of not looking at any JVCs, at the time.
RaceCarDriver, If your budget allows, Markmon is right, go straight to JVC or higher end Sony. If you pick EPSON, here's a big warning...
EPSON is a GATEWAY DRUG!
(in my newbie opinion, it can be dangerous and lead you to want hard stuff like JVC N5, N7, or even a NX9!
Optima: (like Candy cigarettes from 1960's, owners think looks cool hanging from mouth/projector mount, but just no kick to it
brought one home 5 years ago for kid to play video games down in unfinished walk out basement.
EPSON: warning! GATEWAY DRUG!
Don't remember if I ever sat through an entire movie, grey blacks, fuzzy picture... I'm out.
So continued to sit ~4-5 feet in front of flat panel for years. I was righteous and clean, I didn't need no $10,000 lens to be able to see fairly crisp 4K pixels thank you very much. (OK, did spend $250 on special non-progressive lens with set of small submarine window sized bifocal lens placed really low to operate remote. but hey, I could still focus up close with wide field of view, life was good I thought )
(watch out for lower end Sony's with circa ~5000:1 contrast too, they might trigger addiction)
Optima gets old and develops intermittent connection to DLP chip. fix, re-fix, re-fix, resolve to rip apart and clean #@$! connector. Wife says just be done with it and get the kid a "good" projector.
The resulting synopsis of quick sad fall into addiction in only about 6 months:
1. Watch a movie on Epson, immediately say: "wait, what???"
2. Get bigger/better 135" screen with less texture. Break out colorimeter and spectro and calibrate.
3. Dang, might be better than flat panel, OK, install blackout shades.
4. Dang, really might like this better than flat panel, OK, do a quick and dirty bat cave treatment, just to see mind you. I'm not really addicted.
4. Dang, really might like this better than flat panel, let's maskout 16:9==> scope, engage color filter and a bit of IRIS to lower black floor and tweak contrast. Just to see what Passengers looks like mind you. In the name of science, not really addicted.
Result, I have not watched a single movie on flat panel since! I'm addicted! Of course can still see grey if looking at directly black of space, but if focusing on content, movies still highly enjoyable..
JVC: drug of choice for hopelessly addicted
I might OD with my newbie blood, but already talking to my dealer if "he can set me up" lol
want NX9 for its apparent combination good contrast, 4K chips and high MTF lens for almost OLED like crisp pixels on a huge screen. (even NX9 may not have MTF to make pixel on/off/off seriously comparable to OLED, but o man its intoxicating to think about
N7 more logical, especially if 65mm lens tweak is halfway significant. dang this is addicting
: to put EPSON in perspective, EPSON certainly is no JVC, but for me was a gateway drug. made me give up flat panel. For just over $2K you can have a very enjoyable experience, but it will quickly make you notice what it can and cannot do, and make you want JVC contrast levels if you treat your room.
For perspective of where EPSON sits from my novice eyes: 5040UB has similar ~5000:1 native contrast as Sony 385, (Epson obviously not as crisp as Sony, and I find Epson lens may not be consistent when switching between zoom memories, even focus wise. Have not played with Sony to see if it is inconsistent.)
Black level comment: "How does the VW385ES perform? Pretty darn well. I put it on par with Epson
’s (less expensive but not true 4K “UB” projectors – Ultra Black – their 5040UB and 6040UB)."
JVC X790 comparison to Sony 385
Their online video was great, and I love pic of space station on their Blog version that shows JVC blacks in objects. Every body mentions starfields etc, but looking at solar panels and the Soyuz docked to space station on on JVC versus low end Sony gives me anticipation of "getting a contrast fix"
Can't wait to get JVC, just have to decide which. :-)