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Epson has planned a full show of demos for us plus some food and drinks. If you can, try to arrive a few minutes early to booth 5734 so we can start on time. Please introduce yourself to me blitzdog - David or imagic - Mark.

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Sent my last work e-mail of the day and headed over to the show now.... see everyone there!
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Curious if 4050/5050 both support 3D and if the 5050 does indeed have 18 GB HDMI chipset how slow the syncing is (which is an issue with JVC projectors that have 18 GB HDMI chipset).
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Curious if 4050/5050 both support 3D and if the 5050 does indeed have 18 GB HDMI chipset how slow the syncing is (which is an issue with JVC projectors that have 18 GB HDMI chipset).
Check the brochures i posted in the 4050 thread. They definitely do 3D...

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Epson gave away a pj and you will never guess who won it!

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Of any group of people, I would have expected you guys to have been the most eager to see/hear something about the US version of the 5050 revealed in Europe. What gives? Not a single post mentioning any news Epson may have shared. Info embargo? NDAs? Can someone at least provide a cryptic answer as to whether or not the rest of us should lose hope for a new product in the near future? Please?
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Epson showed us the 4050 and said it was the first of the new projectors they would be launching with this new e-shift platform. They also said there was new hardware in the projector which if I understood correctly was to help with tone mapping signal.
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Epson showed us the 4050 and said it was the first of the new projectors they would be launching with this new e-shift platform. They also said there was new hardware in the projector which if I understood correctly was to help with tone mapping signal.

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Thanks. Wonder why they are stalling in the US, but not in Europe. I also wonder why Epson doesn’t create preset that mimic some of the advancements that members in the 5040/6040 forum have achieved with modifications to gamma. That’s not what “tone mapping” is, correct?
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My guess is they felt their announcement would be lost in the noise of the true 4k with full 18Gbps announcements from JVC and Sony. They have not been opposed to making random product releases not associated with shows in past so I would hope we would see something by holiday shopping timeframe.
Regarding tone mapping, it is essentially mapping a signal that is beyond the capabilities of the display to something it can reproduce, while trying to keep the picture balance/highlights/dark detail. They showed us some scenes from avengers infinity wars and were showing us how the new hardware kept the color and detail in highlights and didn't add banding/posterization.
Edit to add - this is the same thing the custom gamma picture settings were trying to accomplish
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Of any group of people, I would have expected you guys to have been the most eager to see/hear something about the US version of the 5050 revealed in Europe. What gives? Not a single post mentioning any news Epson may have shared. Info embargo? NDAs? Can someone at least provide a cryptic answer as to whether or not the rest of us should lose hope for a new product in the near future? Please?
It was a very nice event. About 10-15 minutes of an educational primer on tone mapping and color gamut production - plus the need to think about color space in three dimensions with updated standard (c- L*A*B) vs. the original 2D color space mapping established in the very early part of the 20th century. With understanding the science behind what makes a great picture with smooth gradation, accuracy and detail, we were whisked off to view a comparative of the new Epson 6040 vs. the Sony 385. Dynamic iris was turned off for both projectors. They played a series of stills to highlight the additional detail you could see with the improved color mapping, e-shift, etc. You had to look closely, but you could clearly see the differences. I'm not sure how much of these differences you'd be able to realistically see in fast-moving video.

Next was a demonstration of their new $2400 e-shift 4050 projector. There was universal agreement that the picture looked fantastic, especially for the price point. The projector punches WAY above it's weight and should be the go-to projector for anything up to double its price and perhaps a bit beyond with the exception of the price-dropped JVC 540 at $4000 which still has better dynamic contrast (black levels) in my opinion.

I'd like to thank Epson and @Scott Wilkinson for organizing the event and their hospitality. And it couldn't have been scripted any better when Scott won a new 4050 projector from a random drawing held at the conclusion of the event!!!
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The Sony/Epson comparison was interesting, but not sure if the differences we're down to brightness or not

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The Sony/Epson comparison was interesting, but not sure if the differences we're down to brightness or not
That was exactly my feeling...

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It was a very nice event. About 10-15 minutes of an educational primer on tone mapping and color gamut production - plus the need to think about color space in three dimensions with updated standard (c- L*A*B) vs. the original 2D color space mapping established in the very early part of the 20th century. With understanding the science behind what makes a great picture with smooth gradation, accuracy and detail, we were whisked off to view a comparative of the new Epson 6040 vs. the Sony 385. Dynamic iris was turned off for both projectors. They played a series of stills to highlight the additional detail you could see with the improved color mapping, e-shift, etc. You had to look closely, but you could clearly see the differences. I'm not sure how much of these differences you'd be able to realistically see in fast-moving video.

Next was a demonstration of their new $2400 e-shift 4050 projector. There was universal agreement that the picture looked fantastic, especially for the price point. The projector punches WAY above it's weight and should be the go-to projector for anything up to double its price and perhaps a bit beyond with the exception of the price-dropped JVC 540 at $4000 which still has better dynamic contrast (black levels) in my opinion.

I'd like to thank Epson and @Scott Wilkinson for organizing the event and their hospitality. And it couldn't have been scripted any better when Scott won a new 4050 projector from a random drawing held at the conclusion of the event!!!

Glad to see I wasn't an outlier on the 4050. I was quite impressed with how motion was handled as well as resolution. I would really need to see more dark scenes to come to a final conclusion though...

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It was nice to get to meet a few people and see the projector. I have never owned a projector myself, as I'm still working to complete my room, but compared with what I'd seen to that point, it looked like it had a really nice picture for a projector that doesn't cost as much as a new vehicle.


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Glad to see I wasn't an outlier on the 4050. I was quite impressed with how motion was handled as well as resolution. I would really need to see more dark scenes to come to a final conclusion though...
What size and type screen was it being shown on? I have a 160" wide 2.35 AT screen paired with a JVC rs500 which is rated in 1800 lumens. I am happy with the picture but more brightness definitely wouldn't hurt. Any thoughts on the brightness of this unit compared with the sony it was up against?
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