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Question BenQ HT9050 - how does it compare to more popular projectors under $5K?

There's a nice sale of the BenQ HT9050 right now, presumably to make way for the HT9060 - which introduces HDR.


HT9050 doesn't have HDR and professional reviews appear mixed. I'm just trying to understand the lay of the land. I know the bullet point differences between something like this and something like the traditionally recommended $3k to $5K range goto in that of an Epson 5040UB or JVC 4xx or 5xx series. I guess I'm just hoping someone has seen both in the same room and can personally speak in human terms how the cold hard numbers compare to real life use of both units. I like a good value, and a former $9K MSRP projector for the closeout prices they are offering now is lucrative in the light of two of these reviews - but not based on Sound and Vision's review.

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Pros to HT9050: LED lamp (no bulb replacement), DLP sharpness, better lens/better focus/better uniformity, better colors
Negatives to HT9050: no auto zoom/lens memory, no HDR, no 3D, poorer contrast


Chris Eberle of Secrets of Home Theater said the HT9050 was the best projector he's seen under $10K.
https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...jector-review/


Art Feierman of ProjectorReviews.com said it narrowly missed being given one of his annual awards for home theater projectors - because of no HDR, but that he really enjoyed this projector, and that black levels weren't incredible, but were still good enough to really enjoy the unit, and that the lens was excellent.
https://www.projectorreviews.com/ben...jector-review/


Kris Deering of Sound and Vision gave it a 2.5 star of 5 star review and said black levels were very poor to the point he couldn't enjoy the unit. (bad unit?)
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ector-review-0




For reference, my current projector is a Panasonic AE8000U. My chief complaints with it are A) Focus uniformity (bottom right corner is a bit out of focus when using with my PC) B) very slight LCD convergence issue that is also only noticeable when using a PC and small text, C) Black levels are no longer competitive with the units that are out now. Mike Garrett loaned me a JVC RS600 for a home theater crawl in 2017, and it was pretty darn incredible. The blacks were so deep it seemed like it threw black on the screen. My room is painted black, and my ceiling is black. I don't hate my AE8000U contrast, but I know, as an enthusiast they are starting to be dated. My screen fabric is Seymour Center Stage XD acoustic transparent.

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Missing too many features, seemed to be released in a beta state. I wouldnt recommend for 4k cinema viewing, but would be good for a ProAV or moderate ambient light viewing where some of the 4k features unimportant. Kind of pointless to have a projector that supports dci p3 internally but only accepts sdr rec709 over hdmi.

Wait 6-8 months and you probably will be able to get the ht9060 at an affordable price and get a product with complete featureset. The ht9050 is simply missing too much to be a satisfying long term purchase for 4k home cinema IMO. I know its tempting to buy, but to me the ht9050 is a temporary placeholder product for the soon to be released ht9060 which is the real deal feature wise.

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Regardless of which Benq you decide on, I'm happy to tell you that my past experiences with Benq have been excellent! The company's customer service was always sympathetic to my concerns and went out of its way to make sure my needs were met and that I was a happy with the product. They were top notch with me.
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Regardless of which Benq you decide on, I'm happy to tell you that my past experiences with Benq have been excellent! The company's customer service was always sympathetic to my concerns and went out of its way to make sure my needs were met and that I was a happy with the product. They were top notch with me.
This is true, i had a part break on a benq and they fixed it free 2yrs after warranty ran out and they even paid shipping both ways.
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I passed, but did anyone here pick up one of these?


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Just a point of clarification on Kris's review. I am almost positive he checked with Benq to see if there were any problems with his unit. He did have extensive discussions with Benq about ways to improve the pj. Hopefully those will be implemented in the next model.

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I just ordered one- despite the mixed feelings from reviewers and fellow AVS posters. I actually saw another AVS thread that almost convinced me to cancel my order, then when I called Benq, their rep actually convinced me give it a shot and if I'm notg happy with it, return it within 30days. I will come back and post an update after I receive it.
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I just ordered one- despite the mixed feelings from reviewers and fellow AVS posters. I actually saw another AVS thread that almost convinced me to cancel my order, then when I called Benq, their rep actually convinced me give it a shot and if I'm notg happy with it, return it within 30days. I will come back and post an update after I receive it.
I have one, the light engine failed after a couple of months and only displayed that color grid that's in the pic. Benq replaced it pretty quickly. I like the projector, I'm using a HD fury linker sending HDR using settings that Dave Harper provided for the Benq LK970. There's motion judder when watching football.
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I have one, the light engine failed after a couple of months and only displayed that color grid that's in the pic. Benq replaced it pretty quickly. I like the projector, I'm using a HD fury linker sending HDR using settings that Dave Harper provided for the Benq LK970. There's motion judder when watching football.
I noticed Motion judder and artifacts as well and drove me nuts, I think it’s inherent with these xbr chips. Too much processing going on. It always bothered me with eshift pjs too, it’s much better on my native 4K nx5.
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BenQ HT9050 - how does it compare to more popular projectors under $5K?

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I have one, the light engine failed after a couple of months and only displayed that color grid that's in the pic. Benq replaced it pretty quickly. I like the projector, I'm using a HD fury linker sending HDR using settings that Dave Harper provided for the Benq LK970. There's motion judder when watching football.

Wow really? How do they even translate over to the HT9050? The light engine is totally different (RGB HLD LED vs RGBY Dual Wheel Laser Phosphor) and the brightness is way less. Plus the 9050 does DCI Color and the LK970 doesn’t. Do you crank the Color Setting and CMS the way I do on the 970? Doesn’t that result in way oversaturated colors?
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Wow really? How do they even translate over to the HT9050? The light engine is totally different (RGB HLD LED vs RGBY Dual Wheel Laser Phosphor) and the brightness is way less. Plus the 9050 does DCI Color and the LK970 doesn’t. Do you crank the Color Setting and CMS the way I do on the 970? Doesn’t that result in way oversaturated colors?
Yes really, it looks good to me, plenty bright for my 92 inch screen. I only adjusted the green saturation and brightness everything else I left the same. When using DCI color mode and forced HDR the picture looks washed out. Your settings make the picture look like 3D.
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Yes really, it looks good to me, plenty bright for my 92 inch screen. I only adjusted the green saturation and brightness everything else I left the same. When using DCI color mode and forced HDR the picture looks washed out. Your settings make the picture look like 3D.

Wow that’s awesome! Thanks for confirming reek852! Those pictures are great!
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I just ordered one- despite the mixed feelings from reviewers and fellow AVS posters. I actually saw another AVS thread that almost convinced me to cancel my order, then when I called Benq, their rep actually convinced me give it a shot and if I'm notg happy with it, return it within 30days. I will come back and post an update after I receive it.

I'm sorry to say, the reviewers were right, the "black" level is dismal- more like light grey level, even in the so called "SmartEco" mode, which supposedly acts as a dynamic iris!! It also has several other issues, not the least of which is continuously losing the signal, and having to unplug and re-plug the HDMI cable to reestablish the link. Needless to say, it's going back.
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I'm sorry to say, the reviewers were right, the "black" level is dismal- more like light grey level, even in the so called "SmartEco" mode, which supposedly acts as a dynamic iris!! It also has several other issues, not the least of which is continuously losing the signal, and having to unplug and re-plug the HDMI cable to reestablish the link. Needless to say, it's going back.
The smarteco on the ht9050 doesn't work right with real world content for some reason

People like the ht9060's smarteco though.

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It seems to be becoming the 'norm' for projector manufacturers to no longer fix certain things in firmware, but now to just release a new model.
A lot of that stuff should have been fixed in firmware, no excuse for that.

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It seems to be becoming the 'norm' for projector manufacturers to no longer fix certain things in firmware, but now to just release a new model.
A lot of that stuff should have been fixed in firmware, no excuse for that.
Personally I think BenQ should not even have released the ht9050. It was clearly a half-finished projector, it didn't sell well, and all it did was hurt their reputation.

The finished product ht9060 successor model IS very nice though - and they should have just waited until the ht9060 was ready for release instead of trying to make a quick buck on the half baked ht9050.
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It seems to be becoming the 'norm' for projector manufacturers to no longer fix certain things in firmware, but now to just release a new model.
A lot of that stuff should have been fixed in firmware, no excuse for that.
I don't know why they didn't do it that way. The HT9050 black levels were so bad for me that they outweighed all the other good qualities of the projector. Also, the 9050 had some weird flashing problem. I couldn't even see that Smarteco even did anything when active. Lastly, the 9050s I had also had a very dominating greenish cast. It also had a somewhat digital look, almost cartoonish-like texture in some of the content I tested. Suffice it to say, I sent mine back.


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Personally I think BenQ should not even have released the ht9050. It was clearly a half-finished projector, it didn't sell well, and all it did was hurt their reputation.

The finished product ht9060 successor model IS very nice though - and they should have just waited until the ht9060 was ready for release instead of trying to make a quick buck on the half baked ht9050.
Still, BenQ bent over backwards to accommodate me by sending me replacements overnight. Those 9050s had issues still.

Yes, the 9060 is very different. I'm not sure firmware could have solved the lack of HDR and wider color. Oddly, the 9050 was capable of DCI p3 color, but lacked the BT2020 container so the source couldn't communicate with the machine to play the wider color. Of course, that's now been remedied in the 9060.
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I'm sorry to say, the reviewers were right, the "black" level is dismal- more like light grey level, even in the so called "SmartEco" mode, which supposedly acts as a dynamic iris!! It also has several other issues, not the least of which is continuously losing the signal, and having to unplug and re-plug the HDMI cable to reestablish the link. Needless to say, it's going back.

That's what was likely causing the flashing I saw when I had the 9050. There was no way I was going to use a machine like that.
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I'm considering the refurb, it's currently only $2k right now.

https://www.benqdirect.com/ht9050-re...ee=29&fep=1477

I'm also considering the Epson 5040/5050UB, currently have the HT3550, and possibly considering the HT5550 too.

How does the 9050 compare to those projectors?

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I'm considering the refurb, it's currently only $2k right now.

https://www.benqdirect.com/ht9050-re...ee=29&fep=1477

I'm also considering the Epson 5040/5050UB, currently have the HT3550, and possibly considering the HT5550 too.

How does the 9050 compare to those projectors?
Wait for an ht9060 refurb to pop up (may take few weeks). Its a super projector and refurb doesn't cost that much more than the ht9050. It's also superior to your other options listed. However I'd avoid the ht9050.
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Wait for an ht9060 refurb to pop up (may take few weeks). Its a super projector and refurb doesn't cost that much more than the ht9050. It's also superior to your other options listed. However I'd avoid the ht9050.
I have never seen the 9060 refurb pop up. Is it just not in stock at the moment or has it never been in stock before?

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I have never seen the 9060 refurb pop up. Is it just not in stock at the moment or has it never been in stock before?

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One of our fellow forum members called BenQdirect and asked to be put on a list to be contacted when a ht9060 refurb was available and that technique worked in getting him one within a week or so.
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One of our fellow forum members called BenQdirect and asked to be put on a list to be contacted when a ht9060 refurb was available and that technique worked in getting him one within a week or so.
Thank you, really appreciate that tip!

How does the 9060 compare to the JVC X790R?

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Thank you, really appreciate that tip!



How does the 9060 compare to the JVC X790R?

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If the same price you are going to probably like the JVC better if your room is blacked out and is light controlled, and may like the BenQ better if your in a mixed use media room and don’t have perfect control of ambient light. (Even down to equipment LEDs). The JVC basically throws no ambient light on a black scene. So the blacks will be as perfect as your room is dark.

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Thank you, really appreciate that tip!

How does the 9060 compare to the JVC X790R?
@Aztar35 had all 3 in his blacked out theater and preferred the ht9060 over the Sony vw695es which he also preferred over the JVC x990r
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I would second that. They will have refurbs become available from time to time. As the unit gets older more will become available.


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I have never seen the 9060 refurb pop up. Is it just not in stock at the moment or has it never been in stock before?

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If you are worried about black levels 'on any level', I would not get the Benq. Newer DLP's have gone backwards in contrast, not forward.

I would hunt down a JVC if you can get one, the difference in sharpness just isn't going to be noticeable in movies. See Kris Deering and Jav's comments.

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Hi guys haven't read every page on topic yet but I would like to know if the ht5550 would be in the same ball park as the ht9050 saw a lot of bad reviews on the ht9050 while the ht5550 has better reviews than the ht9050 so I'm just confused completely can someone share any thoughts about this thanks
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Thank you, really appreciate that tip!

How does the 9060 compare to the JVC X790R?
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@Aztar35 had all 3 in his blacked out theater and preferred the ht9060 over the Sony vw695es which he also preferred over the JVC x990r
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I did have those projectors in a light controlled room and now have the HT9060, but here, it depends on what is most important to Solarium. Just know that the 9060 will have about five times the contrast of the older HT9050, with the former's dynamic dimming, and mine does not have that greenish cast the 9050 I had had. The HT9060's lens is truly excellent. That lens, native wide color for HDR, a calm, stable picture, especially by DLP standards, and the LED light source did it for me. It's also very quiet when putting out about 1700 calibrated lumens. However, if you're not after the convenience of LED and have a greater focus on contrast, especially black levels in lower ADL/very dark scenes, nothing in this price range will do it like JVC does.

The lens on the HT9060 is excellent, but going by my older X750, the lens on the X790 should be no slouch either. And sometimes you can even get a crazy good lens! I mean, I've had a few JVCs, including the X750, which is the middle model in two series before the 790 was released. That one's lens was good, but so-so compared to a lens in an RS4910 I've seen that blew me away its lens was so good even compared to my older X990 which was a very nice lens sample, although not as good as the crazy good lens in the RS4910. The point is they're good but it seems to me that sometimes one gets thrown in there that is shockingly good! Go figure. The X790 will have wide color for HDR with its filter also and should be able to light up a 140 inch 1 gain screen pretty well.

In all, it depends on what you want. If high contrast and deep blacks, especially down low aren't your priority, demo the 9060. Otherwise demo the X790. I would recommend you demo both if you can.

The choice is always yours and good luck!
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