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Hi everyone,

I just ordered my 295ES and I'm very excited for it to arrive. I'm looking at the Seymour CenterStage XD screen pairing (unless you recommend something else) and am trying to decide whether I go 16:9 with 160" diagonal screen or 2.35:1 and go 173" with an anamorphic lens. I've never used an A lens, so I'm not too familiar with their use. Is anyone using their 295 with the Panamorph DCR lens? Is it easy to flip back-and-forth between 16:9 and 2.35 content?

The room will generally be completely dark I'd guess that we'll be viewing 16:9 content about half the time.

My new build thread will be getting underway soon!
Here are two places to start reading up on the DCR lens. I love mine.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ul...rs-thread.html

https://www.panamorph.com/
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Mount for 295?

Hi all,

I've seen a few people mention mounts used, is there one that works especially well for the 295es? I haven't had luck finding a specific model called out snooping through projector forums...

Also, I'm going to need to update my screen. Any suggestions?

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I've seen a few people mention mounts used, is there one that works especially well for the 295es? I haven't had luck finding a specific model called out snooping through projector forums...

Also, I'm going to need to update my screen. Any suggestions?

thanks!
This isn't model specific, but I have used this one for Sony projectors and it's been excellent. You can find it much cheaper than what this link shows.

https://www.peerless-av.com/en-us/co...oducts/prg-unv
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Here are two places to start reading up on the DCR lens. I love mine.



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Don’t forget about the ISCO III anamorphic lens as well.
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Hi everyone,

I just ordered my 295ES and I'm very excited for it to arrive. I'm looking at the Seymour CenterStage XD screen pairing (unless you recommend something else) and am trying to decide whether I go 16:9 with 160" diagonal screen or 2.35:1 and go 173" with an anamorphic lens. I've never used an A lens, so I'm not too familiar with their use. Is anyone using their 295 with the Panamorph DCR lens? Is it easy to flip back-and-forth between 16:9 and 2.35 content?

The room will generally be completely dark I'd guess that we'll be viewing 16:9 content about half the time.

My new build thread will be getting underway soon!
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In the same boat, except I have yet to order the projector. Looking at getting a 2.35 screen around 160-170" diagonal. Hope someone answers your question regarding the A lens..
Only way 295 works for you is if you add an A-lens. The 295 does not have lens memory.

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Hi everyone,

I hope someone can help me here. I have my projector sitting upright on a shelf above my head projecting at a 100" screen. It is very minor but I feel like the right side of the screen is a bit longer than the left side, meaning I need a keystone function. I tried to have my projector to centered as much as I could. Is there any way I can find the keystone function? I would love the image to be a perfect reactangle. I'm sure a projector that is $5000 is designed to also be off center. Please help
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Hi everyone,

I hope someone can help me here. I have my projector sitting upright on a shelf above my head projecting at a 100" screen. It is very minor but I feel like the right side of the screen is a bit longer than the left side, meaning I need a keystone function. I tried to have my projector to centered as much as I could. Is there any way I can find the keystone function? I would love the image to be a perfect reactangle. I'm sure a projector that is $5000 is designed to also be off center. Please help
You don't need a keystone function. What you need to do is square up the projector to the screen. Right now you have it projecting at an angle to the screen. This causes one side to be longer than the other side. Just rotate the projector slightly until both sides are the same size and the top and bottom are the same size. Then zoom and use lens shift to fit to the screen.

You should never need to use a keystone correction.
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Hi everyone,

I hope someone can help me here. I have my projector sitting upright on a shelf above my head projecting at a 100" screen. It is very minor but I feel like the right side of the screen is a bit longer than the left side, meaning I need a keystone function. I tried to have my projector to centered as much as I could. Is there any way I can find the keystone function? I would love the image to be a perfect reactangle. I'm sure a projector that is $5000 is designed to also be off center. Please help
To add to what GregCh is saying, you never want to use Keystone correction. This is a digital function that takes away resolution. Probably unavailable for any 4K projectors.

If you have a trapezoid it's easy to fix. On your rectangle you have 4 sides (top, left, right, bottom). Point the projector more towards the shortest side, then use lens shift to center the image. Re-evaluate and repeat until it's square. Problem is not caused by being off center 8" but by being not squared to the screen.

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Can't use a VW295 with the DCR lens, unless you also buy a Lumagen video processor. The VW295 does not have the anamorphic lens functions. Neither does the VW285, VW385, VW695 nor VW675.
You better tell Shawn that then - https://www.panamorph.com/vpl-vw885-vw695-vw995/

Edit - I just got the VW295ES owner's manual. Page 28 -

Setting items Description
Aspect
[ASPECT]
You can set the aspect ratio of the picture to be displayed for the current
input signal (page 16).

You can set the function only when a video signal is input.

1.85:1 Zoom: A 1.85:1 aspect ratio picture is displayed in its original
aspect ratio, enlarged so that black bands do not appear at the top and
bottom of the screen.

2.35:1 Zoom: A 2.35:1 aspect ratio picture is displayed in its original
aspect ratio, enlarged so that black bands at the top and bottom of the
screen are as small as possible.

When you select “2.35:1 Zoom” from “Trigger Select” on the
Installation menu, a 12 V signal is output from the TRIGGER
connector (page 35).

Normal: Input video is displayed in its original aspect ratio, enlarged to
fill the screen. This mode is suitable for viewing 1.78:1 (16:9) and 1.33:1
(4:3) video.

V Stretch: This is the most suitable mode for using a 2.35:1 screen to
view 2.35:1 video with a commercially available anamorphic lens.
When you select “V Stretch” from “Trigger Select” on the Installation
menu, a 12 V signal is output from the TRIGGER connector
(page 35).

Squeeze: With this setting, 1.78:1 (16:9) and 1.33:1 (4:3) video will be
displayed in their correct aspect ratios when you use a commercially
available anamorphic lens.


Stretch: Displays video that has been squeezed to 1.33:1 (4:3) as 1.78:1
(16:9) aspect ratio.
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You better tell Shawn that then - https://www.panamorph.com/vpl-vw885-vw695-vw995/

Edit - I just got the VW295ES owner's manual. Page 28 -

Setting items Description
Aspect
[ASPECT]
You can set the aspect ratio of the picture to be displayed for the current
input signal (page 16).

You can set the function only when a video signal is input.

1.85:1 Zoom: A 1.85:1 aspect ratio picture is displayed in its original
aspect ratio, enlarged so that black bands do not appear at the top and
bottom of the screen.

2.35:1 Zoom: A 2.35:1 aspect ratio picture is displayed in its original
aspect ratio, enlarged so that black bands at the top and bottom of the
screen are as small as possible.

When you select “2.35:1 Zoom” from “Trigger Select” on the
Installation menu, a 12 V signal is output from the TRIGGER
connector (page 35).

Normal: Input video is displayed in its original aspect ratio, enlarged to
fill the screen. This mode is suitable for viewing 1.78:1 (16:9) and 1.33:1
(4:3) video.

V Stretch: This is the most suitable mode for using a 2.35:1 screen to
view 2.35:1 video with a commercially available anamorphic lens.
When you select “V Stretch” from “Trigger Select” on the Installation
menu, a 12 V signal is output from the TRIGGER connector
(page 35).

Squeeze: With this setting, 1.78:1 (16:9) and 1.33:1 (4:3) video will be
displayed in their correct aspect ratios when you use a commercially
available anamorphic lens.


Stretch: Displays video that has been squeezed to 1.33:1 (4:3) as 1.78:1
(16:9) aspect ratio.
Thanks for the correction. I came across Owners manuals two or three weeks ago and they did not have any info on use of an A-lens in them. I suspect they did not have the manuals updated from the 285 and 385. Glad to see that all of the new Sony projectors can add an A-lens.

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Thanks for the correction. I came across Owners manuals two or three weeks ago and they did not have any info on use of an A-lens in them. I suspect they did not have the manuals updated from the 285 and 385. Glad to see that all of the new Sony projectors can add an A-lens.
That makes sense. And now you can't find them on Sony's website - they haven't linked to the new manuals yet.
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Just wanted to share some gamer thoughts about my new vw295. I´ve been using it for a couple of weeks now and I´m really impressed. I had the vw285 for a week before that but decided to change it to the newer model. And I´m really glad I did.

The input lag was the biggest problem with the vw285 and with vw295 it´s just great. Even if you don´t enable the input lag reduction, the lag is lower than with vw285. But if you´re playing with a keyboard and mouse and want a really low lag, just use input lag reduction option and you´re ready to go. Games look amazing on a pc 4k 60fps.

And when you´re playing a 30fps game with a controller on a ps4 pro for example and input lag is not your main concern, you might want to try this : Use the motionflow smooth low-option. You lose the ability to use input lag reduction, but it makes the game look closer to 60fps and somehow makes the whole game feel alot smoother. Atleast I like it and it´s free to try For example Uncharted 4 looks really good on 4k hdr mode and with the motionflow smooth low-mode enabled. With these options enabled, the input lag is still lower than with vw285 on any mode. And with vw285 you can´t use motionflow on 4k mode.

I upgraded from sony hw40 and while it was a great full hd projector, I´m really enjoying my time with 4k content now. And whatever the source might be, the picture is so much better on every level. Of course on this price point it should be
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Just wanted to share some gamer thoughts about my new vw295. I´ve been using it for a couple of weeks now and I´m really impressed. I had the vw285 for a week before that but decided to change it to the newer model. And I´m really glad I did.

The input lag was the biggest problem with the vw285 and with vw295 it´s just great. Even if you don´t enable the input lag reduction, the lag is lower than with vw285. But if you´re playing with a keyboard and mouse and want a really low lag, just use input lag reduction option and you´re ready to go. Games look amazing on a pc 4k 60fps.

And when you´re playing a 30fps game with a controller on a ps4 pro for example and input lag is not your main concern, you might want to try this : Use the motionflow smooth low-option. You lose the ability to use input lag reduction, but it makes the game look closer to 60fps and somehow makes the whole game feel alot smoother. Atleast I like it and it´s free to try For example Uncharted 4 looks really good on 4k hdr mode and with the motionflow smooth low-mode enabled. With these options enabled, the input lag is still lower than with vw285 on any mode. And with vw285 you can´t use motionflow on 4k mode.

I upgraded from sony hw40 and while it was a great full hd projector, I´m really enjoying my time with 4k content now. And whatever the source might be, the picture is so much better on every level. Of course on this price point it should be

You are making me jealous! I have slowly been upgrading the rest of my theater. About ready to upgrade.


Have Epson 4000 now... Can anyone that has used the 4000 or 5040 and the Sony tell me how much better the Sony is than the Epson?


How will the blacks be for movies being that the Sony has much better native contrast but no Iris?


I have been trying to wait until the new JVCs come out and see some reviews but it looks like that might be awhile. Also seems that the Sony might be better for gaming and sports watching due to its better upscaling?

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Just wanted to share some gamer thoughts about my new vw295. I´ve been using it for a couple of weeks now and I´m really impressed. I had the vw285 for a week before that but decided to change it to the newer model. And I´m really glad I did.
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I just bought the 695 and came across this HDTV test review that came out today for the 295:

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Just wanted to share some gamer thoughts about my new vw295. I´ve been using it for a couple of weeks now and I´m really impressed. I had the vw285 for a week before that but decided to change it to the newer model. And I´m really glad I did.

The input lag was the biggest problem with the vw285 and with vw295 it´s just great. Even if you don´t enable the input lag reduction, the lag is lower than with vw285. But if you´re playing with a keyboard and mouse and want a really low lag, just use input lag reduction option and you´re ready to go. Games look amazing on a pc 4k 60fps.

And when you´re playing a 30fps game with a controller on a ps4 pro for example and input lag is not your main concern, you might want to try this : Use the motionflow smooth low-option. You lose the ability to use input lag reduction, but it makes the game look closer to 60fps and somehow makes the whole game feel alot smoother. Atleast I like it and it´s free to try For example Uncharted 4 looks really good on 4k hdr mode and with the motionflow smooth low-mode enabled. With these options enabled, the input lag is still lower than with vw285 on any mode. And with vw285 you can´t use motionflow on 4k mode.

I upgraded from sony hw40 and while it was a great full hd projector, I´m really enjoying my time with 4k content now. And whatever the source might be, the picture is so much better on every level. Of course on this price point it should be
285 is also super with input lag. Are you sure there is a difference about input lag? I know there wont be banding with 4k60p hdr on 295 but i doubt about input lag. I hope you understand my english
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285 is also super with input lag. Are you sure there is a difference about input lag? I know there wont be banding with 4k60p hdr on 295 but i doubt about input lag. I hope you understand my english
Yep, there’s a difference. But I’m not saying you can’t enjoy games with 285. For me it was too much on some games, especially in hdr mode and with keyboard/mouse you clearly feel it. But It really depends on the game and how allergic you are to input lag Now im getting really low lag without any banding issues. And i feel that reality creation is even better on 295 but that’s just my opinion.
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I just bought the 695 and came across this HDTV test review that came out today for the 295:

Thanks for the link.


Man, I really love this guy with his dry sense of humor. Btw (and completely off topic) I am very interested in his upcoming review of the Sony 75Z9F...



So gamma tracking is a little better than last year's 285ES? I gather the same goes for the 695 when compared to the 385 then. Strange regarding the posterization with HDR games. I can see people who specifically bought either a 295 or 695 for this being a little upset then. Hopefully this can somehow be fixed. Also it seems to me the new HDR curves mean no real advantage if Vincent still recommends using Panasonic's HDR optimizer?

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I just bought the 695 and came across this HDTV test review that came out today for the 295:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtsM29jmmI
JAVS- Vincent seems to find the same issues you have in the past.
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So gamma tracking is a little better than last year's 285ES? I gather the same goes for the 695 when compared to the 385 then. Strange regarding the posterization with HDR games. I can see people who specifically bought either a 295 or 695 for this being a little upset then. Hopefully this can somehow be fixed. Also it seems to me the new HDR curves mean no real advantage if Vincent still recommends using Panasonic's HDR optimizer?
I can tell you I had the 385 for a year and gamed quite a bit and didn't notice posterization. Not saying it doesn't exist but its easy to grab a screen grab and pic apart a picture but in real life I never noticed it.

HDR curves are static. Auto Tone Mapping is more dynamic that it looks at the metadata for each piece of content and applies a curve accordingly. This is great for blu ray discs but video games don't even pass on the meta data so there is nothing for the auto tone mapping to read and adjust to. Other things like Apple 4kTV pass on fake metadata so it doesn't work great there either. My solution is to use the auto tone mapping in the Panasonic 820 for UHD blu ray movies.
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I can tell you I had the 385 for a year and gamed quite a bit and didn't notice posterization. Not saying it doesn't exist but its easy to grab a screen grab and pic apart a picture but in real life I never noticed it.
I see posterization in the Sony picture all the time. I think it is related to the way they handle color processing. The color processing chain is not full 12 bit at some point it is converted to 8bit and that is what causes the posterization. It happens even on the higher end laser 885.

It can be smoothed out somewhat by using the smooth gradients option but that also causes other artifacts.

The posterization never really bothers me. It happens all the time in sky gradients and you just get used to it as being part of the normal cinematography.
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I see posterization in the Sony picture all the time. I think it is related to the way they handle color processing. The color processing chain is not full 12 bit at some point it is converted to 8bit and that is what causes the posterization. It happens even on the higher end laser 885.

It can be smoothed out somewhat by using the smooth gradients option but that also causes other artifacts.

The posterization never really bothers me. It happens all the time in sky gradients and you just get used to it as being part of the normal cinematography.
If you watch the video I linked above, the reviewer says he sees it during gaming at 60HZ HDR but not during movies at 60HZ HDR (using Billy Lynn's long halftime walk since it is one of the few 60HZ UHD movies). So it leaves him perplexed....and me perplexed. Either way, it must not have bothered me since I honestly never even noticed it on the 385. We shall see if I notice on the 695 since its supposed to arrive tomorrow
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If you watch the video I linked above, the reviewer says he sees it during gaming at 60HZ HDR but not during movies at 60HZ HDR (using Billy Lynn's long halftime walk since it is one of the few 60HZ UHD movies). So it leaves him perplexed....and me perplexed. Either way, it must not have bothered me since I honestly never even noticed it on the 385. We shall see if I notice on the 695 since its supposed to arrive tomorrow
I don't think it has anything to do with whether you are playing movies or games or whether it is 60hz or 24p. It happens all the time depending on the scene. It usually happens where you have a large area with a subtle color gradient. However, it can happen even in blurred background areas.

Javs has several images from movies like Lucy and images of cars that he shot which demonstrate the problem. I see it a lot in westerns where there will be a sunset scene or a huge sky scene with a panoramic background.

Again, like I said previously, it is no big deal. If you watch for it you can see it, But it is usually subtle and doesn't detract from the overall video content unless you are hyper sensitive to it.
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I don't think it has anything to do with whether you are playing movies or games or whether it is 60hz or 24p. It happens all the time depending on the scene. It usually happens where you have a large area with a subtle color gradient. However, it can happen even in blurred background areas.

Javs has several images from movies like Lucy and images of cars that he shot which demonstrate the problem. I see it a lot in westerns where there will be a sunset scene or a huge sky scene with a panoramic background.

Again, like I said previously, it is no big deal. If you watch for it you can see it, But it is usually subtle and doesn't detract from the overall video content unless you are hyper sensitive to it.

I do remember those pictures from Javs last year. I will say Vincent from the video above is one of the best in the business. Hard to believe he would make that statement and specifically call out he saw it in gaming but not in the UHD Blu Ray and be wrong about it. He knew what to look for and how to test it (if you watch the video) Maybe something changed with this years machines for the better?
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I do remember those pictures from Javs last year. I will say Vincent from the video above is one of the best in the business. Hard to believe he would make that statement and specifically call out he saw it in gaming but not in the UHD Blu Ray and be wrong about it. He knew what to look for and how to test it (if you watch the video) Maybe something changed with this years machines for the better?
No, I don't think he is wrong with his statements. It is far more prevalent in 4k games because they tend to use a lot of smooth gradients for filling large areas. Also it may not be an issue in the Billy Ray Blu-ray scene. It isn't an issue in all scenes. But I bet if he had played Godless or No country for Old Men or Lucy, he would have seen the issue in some of those videos. It doesn't look like Sony has made any changes to color processing to me that is causing this. This issue has been around a long long time in the 4K projectors. Javs says that it is because the color processing chain isn't full 12 bit. That somewhere in the processing it is converted to 8bit and then converted back to 12 bit. So it effects color gradients and causes posterization. I believe Kris Deering also mentioned seeing the posterization in all the Sony 4k projectors.

Again, it isn't anything to worry about. You really have to search for it to see it and sometimes it is only visible in still images. Occasionally it will manifest itself a little worse than other times due to the particular scene. For most all people other than those who are hyper sensitive to posterization you will never know it is there.
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As an owner of the 295 for gaming, the low latency mode shows up in expert settings and can be used on any preset, I’ve been running mine in low lamp with high contrast ratio and low latency mode turned on in the game preset picture mode and it does a fantastic job of displaying 4k hdr 60fps, no issues what so ever, my only issues with the projector is(and this is just my opinion)bad blacks and very low contrast ratio, even when I run the 295es in high lamp mode the overall picture seems dim and not something worth 5k for display tech. I am using a cinewhite screen material and have 100% light control or 0 ambient light in the room.

I came from a 2,400 lumen epson and this Sony 295es doesn’t seem to match the contrast or black levels as the cheaper epson did, again my opinion.
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I came from a 2,400 lumen epson and this Sony 295es doesn’t seem to match the contrast or black levels as the cheaper epson did, again my opinion.
That doesn't sound right. You should have much better black levels and better contrast than the Epson. What are your settings like? What setting are you using? ie Reference, Cinema1, etc.
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I just bought the 695 and came across this HDTV test review that came out today for the 295:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtsM29jmmI
What I found interesting in this video was that when watching 4K there are only 4 motionflow options... Impulse, Smooth High, Smooth Low and True Cinema. Is this the same for the 570 too?

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Yes... or so I thought, my epson advertised a 600,000 contrast ratio, this new Sony 295es doesn’t even advertise its contrast ratio so you do the math, plus my eyes don’t lie to me.

I know it’s hard to believe, trust me, but this Sony 295es does not seem superior in any aspect of picture quality other than resolution.
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Yes... or so I thought, my epson advertised a 600,000 contrast ratio, this new Sony 295es doesn’t even advertise its contrast ratio so you do the math, plus my eyes don’t lie to me.

I know it’s hard to believe, trust me, but this Sony 295es does not seem superior in any aspect of picture quality other than resolution.
Are you coming from an Epson 5040?

Most reviewers have measured the 5040 calibrated at a native contrast ratio of around 6000:1. The Sony should be doing a native contrast ratio of about 12,000:1. That is double the Epson and should be noticeable.

If you are saying that it is worse then there is something wrong with your projector or the settings are not right.
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