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View Poll Results: How many hours is the projector used per year?
50 (or less) per year 2 1.83%
50-300 11 10.09%
300-500 14 12.84%
500-800 17 15.60%
800-1000 13 11.93%
1000-1500 21 19.27%
1500-2000 12 11.01%
2000-3000 16 14.68%
3000-5000 1 0.92%
over 9000 2 1.83%
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POLL - Projector usage time

I read that most devices do not go over 2500h in their lifetime, and that heavy users consist of about 1-5% of the total.

I am curious how many hours users actually use their projectors per day/week/etc. A large screen is very nice and I seem to use mine all the time.
This poll applies to over $3000 PJ's, did not want to double it.
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What's the point of the poll?

The purpose of listening shouldn't be to respond as much as it should be to understand.
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I read that most devices do not go over 2500h in their lifetime
I don't know where you read that but it is completely false. I don't know of one display device that only has a lifespan of 2500h. Maybe bulbs have a 2500h lifespan but they can always be replaced by the user.
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What's the point of the poll?

Will upgrade sometime in the future and I would like to know in general how reliable projectors are with heavy use.
There are comments on different threads with owners reporting heavy usage, but what percentage of total users actually use their projectors this way?

How would a projector generally speaking react with 7000h of use per 3 years, with the lamp beeing replaced once (or more depending on the model)?
I want more than a few anecdotal comments, a centralised result.

A poll with failure rate, or bulb failure considering this is the component most likely to fail might have been more appropriate.

@GregCh I meant to say most users don't use their devices in excess of 2500h for the years that they own the unit. Read it on one of the JVC threads. 2500h sounds plausible, a movie in the evening, some extra use during the weekend.

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Will upgrade sometime in the future and I would like to know in general how reliable projectors are with heavy use.
There are comments on different threads with owners reporting heavy usage, but what percentage of total users actually use their projectors this way?

I want more than a few anecdotal comments, a centralised result.

A poll with failure rate, or bulb failure considering this is the component most likely to fail might have been more appropriate.

IOW, you're board and just taking up forum bandwidth.

The purpose of listening shouldn't be to respond as much as it should be to understand.
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IOW, you're board and just taking up forum bandwidth.
Really, with all the petty arguments and lame comments on this entire forum and you are complaining to this poster about forum bandwidth on his poll.

It might really be helpful to know how much members of this board use their projectors. Everyone assumes the usage is fairly low but that maybe incorrect.

I had made a comment to one poster that I believed most posters on this board had light controlled rooms for their projector setups. He claimed that was absolutely false and that most people do not have the ability to control the light in their rooms with projectors. He started a poll and it became obvious that in fact most members of this forum do have some sort of light control for their projector rooms. While not game changing information, it does help get an image of where members are with their home theater enthusiasm. Projector usage would also be another point of interest for many members.
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I had made a comment to one poster that I believed most posters on this board had light controlled rooms for their projector setups. He claimed that was absolutely false and that most people do not have the ability to control the light in their rooms with projectors. He started a poll and it became obvious that in fact most members of this forum do have some sort of light control for their projector rooms.
That might be changing too, since the cost of entry in the projector market has dropped in recent years(a 1080p unit for about $500-600 is a pretty good deal) , and some people want to use it in the living room without any modifications.

But I personally don't want to use it occasionally and would like to know how reliable they are, hence the question.
I mean @unretarded managed around 8700h in 669 days on a single bulb (on a Benq HT2050) .

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Really, with all the petty arguments and lame comments on this entire forum and you are complaining to this poster about forum bandwidth on his poll.

Yup.

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Will upgrade sometime in the future and I would like to know in general how reliable projectors are with heavy use.
There are comments on different threads with owners reporting heavy usage, but what percentage of total users actually use their projectors this way?

How would a projector generally speaking react with 7000h of use per 3 years, with the lamp beeing replaced once (or more depending on the model)?
I want more than a few anecdotal comments, a centralised result.

A poll with failure rate, or bulb failure considering this is the component most likely to fail might have been more appropriate.

@GregCh I meant to say most users don't use their devices in excess of 2500h for the years that they own the unit. Read it on one of the JVC threads. 2500h sounds plausible, a movie in the evening, some extra use during the weekend.
That's plausible. I've had 9 projectors since 2002. The SIM2 Lumis Host I had for 7 1/2 years probably saw around 4000 hours in that time. Part of that time I had a Sony VW600 also, cutting the usage of one or the other in half. But all of the other projectors were sold with less than 2500 hours no doubt.

We have seen some folks here with crazy hours on their projectors though - like 25K hours - maybe more !
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Really, with all the petty arguments and lame comments on this entire forum and you are complaining to this poster about forum bandwidth on his poll.

It might really be helpful to know how much members of this board use their projectors. Everyone assumes the usage is fairly low but that maybe incorrect.

I had made a comment to one poster that I believed most posters on this board had light controlled rooms for their projector setups. He claimed that was absolutely false and that most people do not have the ability to control the light in their rooms with projectors. He started a poll and it became obvious that in fact most members of this forum do have some sort of light control for their projector rooms. While not game changing information, it does help get an image of where members are with their home theater enthusiasm. Projector usage would also be another point of interest for many members.
No doubt. At worst its still an interesting poll and at best it could help someone.

I'm in the 500-800 camp between my two projectors. I only do movies, concerts and the occasional game with my JVC and benq though.

I do spend considerably more time in my HT besides the ~500 projector hours a year though since I also do a lot of both 2 channel and multi channel music listening there neither of which use a display device of course.
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I usually average 600-700 a year. I typically upgrade new projectors ever 3-4 years (depending on what is new, improvement, etc) so I rarely replace bulbs.
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Really, with all the petty arguments and lame comments on this entire forum and you are complaining to this poster about forum bandwidth on his poll.

It might really be helpful to know how much members of this board use their projectors. Everyone assumes the usage is fairly low but that maybe incorrect.

I had made a comment to one poster that I believed most posters on this board had light controlled rooms for their projector setups. He claimed that was absolutely false and that most people do not have the ability to control the light in their rooms with projectors. He started a poll and it became obvious that in fact most members of this forum do have some sort of light control for their projector rooms. While not game changing information, it does help get an image of where members are with their home theater enthusiasm. Projector usage would also be another point of interest for many members.
I figure the majority will be in the 1,000 to 1,500 mark, but expect to see more people below that number than above. And keep in mind we are the guys that are obsessed with front projectors. Joe Public most likely uses them less than us.
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Ovar 9000!!!
Yeah, I suspect a prankster entered that value.

>9000 /365 is >24.65 hours per day.

Seems a bit difficult to do.
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Yeah, I suspect a prankster entered that value.

>9000 /365 is >24.65 hours per day.

Seems a bit difficult to do.
It was probably in a leap year... lol...
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I figure the majority will be in the 1,000 to 1,500 mark, but expect to see more people below that number than above. And keep in mind we are the guys that are obsessed with front projectors. Joe Public most likely uses them less than us.
I agree. I know lots of people who bought a house that had a "media room" that already had a projector in it and they maybe use it a few hundred hours a year at best.

Drives me nuts when they are watching movies on their 55-65" HDTV in the living room and are not using the 100"+ screen and projector in the media room. I think some of it is just because they are intimidated with the projector, receiver, etc. Some of it is the equipment has aged and they don't even know where to start on upgrading. So it just collects dust.
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I have my projector upstairs in a room with little light control, so we rarely use it in the summer. I put 5-800. I'm on projector #5 and only had one bulb go. #4 is an LED based LG, not a great picture, but very good for casual viewing and bright enough for daytime use. #5 is a 4k JVC which has a steep learning curve as far as cabling goes.
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POLL - Projector usage time

I’ve owned six projectors since 2003. I’ve never gone over 2500 hours on any of them, so I fit into this stat. I’ve had my current projector since 2014 and have about 1900 hours on it.

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I agree. I know lots of people who bought a house that had a "media room" that already had a projector in it and they maybe use it a few hundred hours a year at best.

Drives me nuts when they are watching movies on their 55-65" HDTV in the living room and are not using the 100"+ screen and projector in the media room. I think some of it is just because they are intimidated with the projector, receiver, etc. Some of it is the equipment has aged and they don't even know where to start on upgrading. So it just collects dust.
About 25% of the people are using it over 1500 hours a year as of 10/30. I agree with you on why people do not use their larger projector but I think it is more about worrying about bulb use. I average 2000-2500 a year and we would typically waste a bulb every 12-14 months. We only have one TV the 120" projector and now that projectors are coming down in price and with the increasing 4K laser models being very affordable in this last year, it is likely that more people will use their projector as their main TV viewing technology. More people I know are now getting into front projectors and their families are using that as their primary viewing source.
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About 25% of the people are using it over 1500 hours a year as of 10/30. I agree with you on why people do not use their larger projector but I think it is more about worrying about bulb use. I average 2000-2500 a year and we would typically waste a bulb every 12-14 months. We only have one TV the 120" projector and now that projectors are coming down in price and with the increasing 4K laser models being very affordable in this last year, it is likely that more people will use their projector as their main TV viewing technology. More people I know are now getting into front projectors and their families are using that as their primary viewing source.
This being AVSForum and this is in the $3K+ projector subforum I am not sure people here are as worried about bulb use. I paid $3500 for my projector and bare bulbs are $140 or less on average. I would not have an issue even paying $200 a year if I was burning up bulbs every 12 months but that would mean I am watching 3000 hours a year!

For me it is just time and the room. I have a dedicated theater room that is used almost exclusively for movies and we don't always want to be down in the basement in a blacked out dedicated room when we are just watching some casual TV and multitasking.

I don't watch 5-10 hours of TV a day. We are a very busy/active family and most nights I don't sit down to watch TV until 9-10pm. We do try to watch family movies in the theater at least twice a week but even then it can be hit or miss, and then I will try to watch movies or some TV another 2-3 nights down there. I am guessing that most young families are more like me than not and 5+ hours of TV every day is just not realistic. Especially with social media and the rise of phone useage. Many people are trading TV/screen time for phone useage.
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This being AVSForum and this is in the $3K+ projector subforum I am not sure people here are as worried about bulb use. I paid $3500 for my projector and bare bulbs are $140 or less on average. I would not have an issue even paying $200 a year if I was burning up bulbs every 12 months but that would mean I am watching 3000 hours a year!

For me it is just time and the room. I have a dedicated theater room that is used almost exclusively for movies and we don't always want to be down in the basement in a blacked out dedicated room when we are just watching some casual TV and multitasking.

I don't watch 5-10 hours of TV a day. We are a very busy/active family and most nights I don't sit down to watch TV until 9-10pm. We do try to watch family movies in the theater at least twice a week but even then it can be hit or miss, and then I will try to watch movies or some TV another 2-3 nights down there. I am guessing that most young families are more like me than not and 5+ hours of TV every day is just not realistic. Especially with social media and the rise of phone useage. Many people are trading TV/screen time for phone useage.
To me it seems like many of the home theater enthusiast assumed that the majority would only use the projector a small amount of hours, more like 200-500 hours? or even less than the hours their bulb would need replacement? If you look at the data thus far that is not true only 15% of users watch 500 or less hours/year, 29% are over 1500 hours a year, the highest group whom responded are in the middle of around 1000 hours at 36%. It is true this data is skewed due to the fact we are excluding people whom buy a projector for less than $3000. Ideally the same poll should be done in the less than $3000 group and then all the data combined to get more of a true market outlook. Thus with less than 15% watching less than 500 hours I would propose that most do NOT have a dedicated home theater room and/or now with laser projectors they watch more with the projector as then you do not worry about the run hours and bulb wear, filters, etc.

Not everyone has a dedicated home theater even in the above $3K level. I do not and many people I know are in the same boat where we want a good quality picture and the projector becomes the main source of viewing. Others whom have a dedicated room also watch their TV's so the total time watching something may not be that far apart. For my previous three projectors the bulb was about $250 per change and the issue was not just cost but the downtime which then created the need to always have at least one spare when the projector is your only method to watch TV.
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To me it seems like many of the home theater enthusiast assumed that the majority would only use the projector a small amount of hours, more like 200-500 hours? or even less than the hours their bulb would need replacement? If you look at the data thus far that is not true only 15% of users watch 500 or less hours/year, 29% are over 1500 hours a year, the highest group whom responded are in the middle of around 1000 hours at 36%. It is true this data is skewed due to the fact we are excluding people whom buy a projector for less than $3000. Ideally the same poll should be done in the less than $3000 group and then all the data combined to get more of a true market outlook. Thus with less than 15% watching less than 500 hours I would propose that most do NOT have a dedicated home theater room and/or now with laser projectors they watch more with the projector as then you do not worry about the run hours and bulb wear, filters, etc.

Not everyone has a dedicated home theater even in the above $3K level. I do not and many people I know are in the same boat where we want a good quality picture and the projector becomes the main source of viewing. Others whom have a dedicated room also watch their TV's so the total time watching something may not be that far apart. For my previous three projectors the bulb was about $250 per change and the issue was not just cost but the downtime which then created the need to always have at least one spare when the projector is your only method to watch TV.
Over 72% of the people on AVS watch 1500 or fewer hours a year that participated. Most projectors are rated for a bulb life of 3-5K hours. Let's say 4K on average, for many people that will be a minimum of 3 years and for others many more beyond that. Replacing a bulb every 3+ years is just not a showstopper for many of us (I bet many people actually replace their projector with a newer more advanced model before they replace the actual bulb).

I think there are folks like you who have very valid reasons why they don't want to buy bulb based projectors anymore and this is an option and I can understand why high useage projector owners want them. As the laser market becomes more affordable I suspect many of us who watch less than 1500 hours per year will jump on board especially if there are other picture enhancements that go along with it. I can't speak for others but my biggest concerns when shopping were color accuracy/saturation, contrast, HDR (WCG) support, lens memory, lumens, lower input lag. Laser vs bulb did not weigh in at all in my decision because no laser projector met my needs in my budget when I was shopping (budget was $4K or less). I have been using projectors since mid 2000's with no bulb issues. I typically upgrade my projector every 3-5 years and often before a new bulb is needed.
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Over 72% of the people on AVS watch 1500 or fewer hours a year that participated. .

You are skewing it as there are 10 categories, thus you should be splitting it in half. Thus if you take the first five categories of people up to 1000 hours per year that equals 48% and then the next 5 categories of users over 1000 hours per year that equals 52%

Most replies to this thread try to imply that most people do not watch that many hours but the numbers are really about the same for low and high users. If you take the first three levels 0-500 hours you get 18% and if you take the last three levels 2000+ hours you get the same percentage 18% There are just as many users whom use their projector very sparingly often due to a dedicated man cave setup as there are users whom use their projectors enough to go thru a bulb every 12-18 months as you need to go with real world not some eco mode claim as most projectors will only go 2000-3000 hours at full power before the lamp fails. I have had several projectors with lamps and that is what I consistently experienced that they would both fade bad and typically blow between 2000-3000 hours.
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My Sony VW60 Black Pearl bought in 2008 I would replace the bulb every 1,500 hours or so for more brightness at low lamp mode, each time under 2 years of usage.
That projector has since been sold and still going well with it's new owner, so it has say 8,000 hours or more usage.

My JVC RS400 has under 2,000 hours at 18 months of use and still 1st bulb, got it April-2017, 18 months ago.
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My Sony VW60 Black Pearl bought in 2008 I would replace the bulb every 1,500 hours or so for more brightness at low lamp mode, each time under 2 years of usage.
That projector has since been sold and still going well with it's new owner, so it has say 8,000 hours or more usage.

My JVC RS400 has under 2,000 hours at 18 months of use and still 1st bulb, got it April-2017, 18 months ago.
How much brightness do you estimate the bulb has lost?
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You are skewing it as there are 10 categories, thus you should be splitting it in half. Thus if you take the first five categories of people up to 1000 hours per year that equals 48% and then the next 5 categories of users over 1000 hours per year that equals 52%

Most replies to this thread try to imply that most people do not watch that many hours but the numbers are really about the same for low and high users. If you take the first three levels 0-500 hours you get 18% and if you take the last three levels 2000+ hours you get the same percentage 18% There are just as many users whom use their projector very sparingly often due to a dedicated man cave setup as there are users whom use their projectors enough to go thru a bulb every 12-18 months as you need to go with real world not some eco mode claim as most projectors will only go 2000-3000 hours at full power before the lamp fails. I have had several projectors with lamps and that is what I consistently experienced that they would both fade bad and typically blow between 2000-3000 hours.
The only time I use my projector at full lamp is for HDR. Everything else is low/eco. With the amount of lumens the projector puts out as well as projector mounting distance, screen gain, seating distance, and screen size for my room full lamp is rarely needed. Dark walks, ceiling and dark floor helps a ton. Most modern projectors have gotten much brighter and I would guess HDR content is probably 10-15% of my viewing.

Lamp based projectors work very well for me and my needs, especially since they are cheaper and often offer better overall picture quality vs laser. Unless you step up to the very expensive higher tiered laser projectors that offer better color and contrast.
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How much brightness do you estimate the bulb has lost?

I had a Sony VW-50 Pearl for seven years and I, too, replaced the bulb at around 1500 hours because it was getting noticeably dim. I went through about five bulbs in that period. It is hard to say without a light meter how much brightness it lost. It felt like the contrast of the picture got a lot worse towards that point in the bulb's life which was just as large an issue as the dimming.


I now have a JVC 4910, which I've had for four years. I replaced the first bulb at 3300 hours mainly because the bulb was rated for 3000 hours. The new replacement bulb didn't seem significantly brighter. I don't know if it is merely ten year newer tech in the bulbs or if the JVC bulbs are better at holding their brightness than Sony bulbs, but dimming of the bulbs in my JVC hasn't been an issue.
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You are skewing it as there are 10 categories, thus you should be splitting it in half. Thus if you take the first five categories of people up to 1000 hours per year that equals 48% and then the next 5 categories of users over 1000 hours per year that equals 52%

Most replies to this thread try to imply that most people do not watch that many hours but the numbers are really about the same for low and high users. If you take the first three levels 0-500 hours you get 18% and if you take the last three levels 2000+ hours you get the same percentage 18% There are just as many users whom use their projector very sparingly often due to a dedicated man cave setup as there are users whom use their projectors enough to go thru a bulb every 12-18 months as you need to go with real world not some eco mode claim as most projectors will only go 2000-3000 hours at full power before the lamp fails. I have had several projectors with lamps and that is what I consistently experienced that they would both fade bad and typically blow between 2000-3000 hours.
Nothing is being skewed. about 72% voted for 1,500 hours or less. Also the over 9,000 per year should be thrown out, since that is more than 24 hours a day, so impossible. And the people voting in this poll are the hardcore projector users, not joe public. I am sure Joe Public hours will be even lower. You guys can argue with this all you want, but I have talked to hundreds of people over the years, regarding how many hours they put on their projector during ownership and I can tell you, it is not anywhere near 1,500 a year average.
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