Originally Posted by TomWheeler
I am having a 695ES installed on Monday replacing the 665ES that I have had for over three years. I am considering purchasing the Panasonic UB820 for use with the 695ES. Does the Panasonic UB820 afford substantially better image quality when playing back HDR content with the 695ES than the 695ES alone does? Does the Panasonic UB820 HDR optimizer work when using it to stream Netflix and Amazon video with HDR content? (I have researched this question online and get a variety of conflicting answers with some saying that the UB820 does not allow HDR optimization to work with streaming content and others saying that it does.) If you use the Panasonic UB820 with HDR content (either streaming or Blu-ray UHD) what setting do you have the HDR on with the 665ES? Finally, what is the advantage in terms of image quality of outputting SDR/bt. 2020 from the Panasonic UB820 to the Sony 695ES?
My main reason for replacing my 665ES with the 695ES is to improve the quality of streaming content from Netflix and Amazon that has HDR. I have currently a Panasonic UB900 that gives very nice image quality with my 665ES with UHD Blu-ray titles having HDR, but the streaming services are washed out looking with terrible blacks and an overall poor picture. This may be because the 665ES being limited to 10.2 GHz bandwidth on its HDMI2 input is not able to play back 4K + HDR+ 60p content which is what my Panasonic UB900, Samsung BD8500, and Roku 4K all output. I have an nVidia Shield that can be set to output 4K streaming content with HDR at 24p, but it too produces a washed out poor quality image on the 665ES. My Apple TV will also output 4K streaming content with HDR at 24p, but again the resulting onscreen image is washed out and of poor quality. In short, I am looking for a way to obtain the best possible image quality with 4K streaming content having HDR on my new 695ES.
Thank you for reading this and I appreciate any suggestions that you or others can give to me.
You are asking a lot of good questions. I may not have concrete enough answers for you but I'll give my impressions. My theater's only been completed for ~3 weeks so I am still tweaking!
I have not used the 820 for streaming apps yet, but I've used it with lots of 4k disc content. I think that between all the tone mapping settings in the 820, and all the monkeying you can do with the picture settings in the projector, there are a lot of ways to achieve something that looks great... the trick is finding settings that strike the balance between all the different types of scenes, and content, that's out there.
One of the best examples I can give of this is that in using SDR/BT.2020, you are able to change gamma in the projector (not available with HDR). It's also easy to go overboard punching up the contrast on one scene, to then realize on other scenes that you are likely clipping detail. HDR by default also does things like kick the lamp up to high mode, but that's changeable.
The 820's tone mapping can bring out additional detail in bright areas (such as texture in flames) but again, you'll find if you focus only on those small areas, there can be other unintended consequences to the image.
The 820 is a nice piece of gear. It's very quick to load discs. I also have a Sony X700 in a different room, which infuriates me with its lack of auto detection for dolby vision (not an issue with 695), and issues with skipping, especially when switching layers. If you are a tweaker, go with the 820 (open box at bestbuy.com saves some coin!). If you want set it and forget it, the Sony X800 might be adequate for a lot less money.
I don't have issues with images being washed out, from any source. Near-black performance in dark scenes is not ideal with ANY content, but my setup doesn't help either (Paladin DCR lens, and 1.4 gain screen).