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My fear is that I'd get the RS2000, and have them announce it's successor in the fall which would fix that problem, leaving current owners high and dry. Remember the Gamma D scenario with the RSx00 series. Not exactly the same, but not that different either.
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In general, that is true, and if you wait for everything to be perfect, or to have some new technology that's just around the corner, you'll never get anything.

But to me, this is a little different. It's a broken feature, not a missing feature. They have implemented a new Anamorphic mode to work correctly with the DCR lens for scope content, but failed to have this working properly for 16:9 and for 3D. It is something that from what I've been told, they *can* fix, but at least for now, have decided *not* to fix.

So I stand by my position, that if I bought one now, hoping that they would fix this, and then they come out with a slightly updated model that does, with this fix not being provided for the current generation, I would be quite upset. Since I'm not willing to take that risk, I am fine with waiting until they either fix it, or come out with a newer model that does address this broken feature.

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Has anyone used the Panasonic 820 with their 695ES? Does the Panasonic 820 apply its tone mapping to streamed HDR content or does it only tone map UHD Blu-ray discs? I am quite pleased with the results that I am getting with HDR content from both streaming and UHD blu-ray sources on my Sony 695ES but I am wondering if the Panasonic 820 would afford even better HDR especially with streaming content.



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I run this setup since a week and can confirm, that the HDR optimizer also works with Netflix. Unfortunately the Panny Netflix app sucks (slow, framerate seems to be fixed to 60fps) so I still mostly use my Apple TV 4k.

Is there any tweak to get movies on the A4k brighter without putting the Sony into high Lamp mode?

Netflix movies like „Bright“ look way to dark via the A4k...


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I run this setup since a week and can confirm, that the HDR optimizer also works with Netflix. Unfortunately the Panny Netflix app sucks (slow, framerate seems to be fixed to 60fps) so I still mostly use my Apple TV 4k.

Is there any tweak to get movies on the A4k brighter without putting the Sony into high Lamp mode?

Netflix movies like „Bright“ look way to dark via the A4k...


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Thanks for responding. Yes, one of the reasons I have not bought the Panasonic 820 and continue to use my Panasonic 900 is the fact that all of the network applications on the Panasonic are very poor. I use the Apple 4K TV for nearly all of my streaming content. I have not tried the Netflix movie 'Bright", but I have tried other Netflix UHD 4K HDR content and none of it to date has been unacceptably dark. There are two suggestions that I can make to you regarding controlling the brightness of HDR on the 695ES. The first is to move the Contrast (HDR) slider to the left (lower values) which will brighten the image but at the expense of raising the black floor. Using the Contrast (HDR) slider judiciously may give you the image brightness that you wish. The other is to shift the 695ES HDR from Auto to HDR10 or to HDR Reference. Personally, I have not liked the results that I have gotten in either of those two positions compared to HDR Auto, but you may. I have a relatively small 16:9 screen 92 in. wide which is probably why I get a quite bright picture with the 695ES with streaming HDR content. Finally, don't forget to set your Apple 4K TV to Match Frame Rate and Match Resolution in Settings>Video.

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Does anyone have the newest version of the Sony Projector Calibration Pro software available?

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Sony 695ES technical evaluation

Thanks to a patient new owner and Cleveland AV owner Chris Majoros, I was able to spend a couple weeks with the Sony VPL-VW695ES in my theater room, projecting on to a 119” 16x9 Da-Lite High Power 2.8 gain screen.

Out of the box and calibration notes:

The 695ES comes out of the box in the Cinema Film 1 picture mode, which has some modest enhancements engaged. The resulting image with ordinary 1080P streaming content showed some promise, with a very bright, punchy, and sharp quality. However, depth was shortened, and there seemed to be somewhat odd behavior around and just above black. Some colors were impressive, though skin tones lacked natural ruddiness.

Sure enough, test patterns revealed some strange behavior around black. With default brightness and white balance bias settings and all enhancements turned off, blacker than black levels were actually brighter than slightly above black levels, which were totally crushed. This “inside out” black behavior, while not common, has been seen in a few other SXRD projectors. Interestingly, though it was there early on (before 80 hours), it disappeared after additional break in. Regardless, it can be eliminated through calibration, and in the end the 695ES came out of black gracefully.

Fan noise was very quiet in low lamp power, and while switching to high did make it more noticeable, even then it was unobtrusive. Uniformity, tested by observing full white and gray fields, was fair. The right side of the screen had a slight greenish tinge at white, 50% gray, and 15% dark gray. At and around 15%, odd contouring was slightly visible as well. Fortunately, these anomalies were never noticed with images or content. Black uniformity was perfect, with no bright corners or other issues.

The 695ES had outstanding, razor sharp focus over most of the screen, though it softened close to the sides. Upscaling of 1080P content was excellent, and Sony’s Reality Creation did a nice job of slightly sharpening the image without hardening. Input lag, measured with a 1080P signal, was normally 139ms but improved to 37 with the low latency setting engaged.

The dynamic iris control was generally useful, making fades to black richer and improving punch in some scenes. However, it darkened already very dark scenes and did not help the perceived contrast in those extreme cases. This seems to be a departure from previous SXRDs, which electronically boosted the brightness of levels just above black to compensate for the mechanically closed iris, thereby increasing contrast while maintaining overall brightness.

The full field on/off contrast ratio, measured with the meter facing the lens to maximize dynamic range, was 22,462:1 as calibrated in SDR mode with the dynamic iris disengaged and the fixed iris at the calibrated setting of 38. With the fixed iris at max brightness, the contrast decreased to 16,641:1, but with it set to minimum brightness it increased to 23,887:1. Engaging the dynamic iris would dramatically multiply these numbers. Measured with a 10% size, 25% APL window to simulate actual content, the contrast was very close to 3,200:1 with iris set to max brightness regardless of the dynamic setting. With iris set to the calibrated 38 brightness level, it measured 2,901:1 with the dynamic set to off, 3,055: with it at limited, and 3,751:1 at full. Finally, with the iris at minimum brightness, it was 2,594:1 with dynamic off, 2,845:1 at limited, and 3,676:1 at full. The modified ANSI contrast, a torture test measured at only one point of a 4x4 checkerboard, was not influenced by the dynamic setting and came in at 287:1 at maximum iris brightness and 237:1 at minimum. These are excellent results, and provided they hold up over time (older SXRD models have been known to loose contrast over time) means that Sony and JVC now share best contrast honors.

While the 695ES will automatically pick up an HDR signal and apply a specific gamma and some other corrections for it, bypassing that and instead calibrating a separate manually engaged HDR mode will allow the use of custom gamma curves and a more precise calibration in general. With that in mind, Reference was tailored for HDR, and Cinema Film 1 was calibrated for normal Blu Ray and HD content. It is easy to switch back and forth between the modes, but it would significantly help usability if Sony allowed more calibration flexibility in this regard.

The before calibration measurements revealed a somewhat cooler white balance than the indicated 6500K; gamma showed compression of mid to bright levels, which explains the lack of depth noted out of the box. The slightly pale skin tones are also hinted at in the pre calibration measurements, though full purity color shades are actually a bit over saturated. After using Sony’s Projector Calibration Pro software to straighten gamma and grayscale tracking, the after calibration measurements are very good, with no particularly weak points. It should be noted that the grayscale and gamma tracking would not have been as good without the use of Sony’s calibration software and instead only relying on the 695ES’s own calibration adjustments.

Custom gamma curves were generated and imported for HDR use. Measured performance of HDR mode after calibration was generally very good, though color saturation was somewhat limited and the skin tone simulation patches leaned toward yellow. Brightness levels were a little high with low levels, a factor of the 695ES’s less than perfect native gamma tracking and the custom curve’s inability to correct for such. A meter multiplier of 1.29 was used for the HDR measurements, so reported nit levels should be divided by this.

After calibration:

Watching the same 1080P streaming shows as before showed very detailed textures. However, there were times when pans and motion were distracting both here and with HDR, regardless of the input signal frame rate and with True Cinema engaged or not. Contrast was rich in normal to bright scenes, with lots of pop. There was excellent color depth and shadow detail, and skin tone rendition was rich and satisfying.

UHD HDR Blu Rays had impressive pop and detail, and the image was pleasing overall. Occasionally a very slight bias toward yellow could be discerned in skin tones, and the general color presentation leaned toward the polite and pale side of natural. My wife, a less technical enthusiast who generally likes Sony displays, felt the HDR image was more washed out than expected. While I do not disagree, that was in comparison to unfair (LG OLEDs) and very stiff (high level JVC projectors) competition. Regardless, while there is room for improvement in the 695ES’s HDR image, there is no doubt it is still among the best in it’s class.

A more direct comparison with the JVC RS2000 will be posted and linked here soon.
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Chad B, I scheduled an appointment with you last Feb/March for your Michigan tour. Look forward to you straightening out my 695. I also scheduled my Sony A9F.
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Only had the 695es for a few days now but I am really enjoying this projector! Curious if there are any specific configuration threads or if anyone can share their preferred settings that I could try out. Thanks!

Update: Coming from a UHD60 and black levels on this thing are really blowing me away right now, as well as HDR color gamut and contrast. This really is a great projector!
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Only had the 695es for a few days now but I am really enjoying this projector! Curious if there are any specific configuration threads or if anyone can share their preferred settings that I could try out. Thanks!

Update: Coming from a UHD60 and black levels on this thing are really blowing me away right now, as well as HDR color gamut and contrast. This really is a great projector!

Now all you need to do is pair it with my favorite subwoofer, the Monolith 15.
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Now all you need to do is pair it with my favorite subwoofer, the Monolith 15.

Actually, I have a Monolith 15, as well as multiple Monolith 10's!
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Then you've arrived.

Man, it's definitely starting to feel that way! I have the audio part locked down and now the video is rocking too! Living the dream finally!
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Now all you need to do is pair it with my favorite subwoofer, the Monolith 15.
Have you compared the specs to the SB4000? SB4000 is only $200 more, but has smaller cabinet, 200 more watts RMS, Slightly smaller but much better driver and beefier built driver and much beefier built box. Even though the driver and box are smaller, the SB4000 is 25% heavier. The Monolith has a 15" driver with 25mm of Xmax. The SB4000 has 13.5" driver, but it has 52mm of xmax. The SB4000 can move close to twice as much air, due to the more than double xmax.
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Have you compared the specs to the SB4000? SB4000 is only $200 more, but has smaller cabinet, 200 more watts RMS, Slightly smaller but much better driver and beefier built driver and much beefier built box. Even though the driver and box are smaller, the SB4000 is 25% heavier. The Monolith has a 15" driver with 25mm of Xmax. The SB4000 has 13.5" driver, but it has 52mm of xmax. The SB4000 can move close to twice as much air, due to the more than double xmax.
No, I haven't yet. But nice!!! So... my post to Mojo was kind of an inside joke. But it seems he didn't know from the THX Monolith thread that we both had those same subs.

I have an SVS PC that I like too. All subs I'm using are ported, but I'll be sure check out the SVS sealed 4000.
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I got the Monolith 15 when it was on sale for a little over 1k, so the price/performance is what made the difference for me. However, I also have an SVS SB2000 and can only imagine what the SB4000 can do.

@Aztar35 , sorry I didn't get the joke man! Hard to keep up with all the different threads sometimes...
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No, I haven't yet. But nice!!! So... my post to Mojo was kind of an inside joke. But it seems he didn't know from the THX Monolith thread that we both had those same subs.

I have an SVS PC that I like too. All subs I'm using are ported, but I'll be sure check out the SVS sealed 4000.
Available in ported also, but a little more money. :With subs you have to look at driver size, excursion and wattage.
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So, quick question. I have been watching some 4K UHD movies on the 695ES and playing around with Dynamic Contrast. I liked the lamp set to High and the Dynamic Contrast set to Medium, with the Iris at Full and 94 brightness. Are there any downsides to using the Dynamic Contrast at either a low or medium setting?
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So, quick question. I have been watching some 4K UHD movies on the 695ES and playing around with Dynamic Contrast. I liked the lamp set to High and the Dynamic Contrast set to Medium, with the Iris at Full and 94 brightness. Are there any downsides to using the Dynamic Contrast at either a low or medium setting?
I use the test screens on Sony UHDs to evaluate the impact of contrast changes. You can tell what black and white levels you may be crushing.
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Thanks for the reply. I will give those a look.
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After spending more time with the 695ES, I can say one of my favorite things is the dynamic contrast and the reality creation capabilities with 4k material. I am amazed at how sharp the picture is with RC on and dynamic contrast set to high! I am really surprised by how good this projector is, since it doesn't seem to be getting a lot of press in comparison to the newer JVC units.
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After spending more time with the 695ES, I can say one of my favorite things is the dynamic contrast and the reality creation capabilities with 4k material. I am amazed at how sharp the picture is with RC on and dynamic contrast set to high! I am really surprised by how good this projector is, since it doesn't seem to be getting a lot of press in comparison to the newer JVC units.
AVS certainly has a huge JVC following but overall I am sure there are more Sony projector owners than Sony JVC projector owners. I am a heavy gamer and RC and low lag are a huge plus for my needs. I wouldn't mind trying a JVC either someday but for now the Sony ticks all the boxes for me and my needs.
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Well, you guys don't have to prove anything. The 695 is one heck of a display. You know what, think of this: Sony makes many different displays, receivers, audio equipment, video equipment, and other things all the way down to their own batteries. Maybe some companies can make similar claims. But when the video content itself is displayed with that opening logo -- "SONY" how many manufacturers can make that claim?

Advantage --Sony.
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AVS certainly has a huge JVC following but overall I am sure there are more Sony projector owners than Sony JVC projector owners. I am a heavy gamer and RC and low lag are a huge plus for my needs. I wouldn't mind trying a JVC either someday but for now the Sony ticks all the boxes for me and my needs.
The 695 is an excellent projector. These days the Sony and JVC are more alike than different.
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Hi All,

If I calibrate one input for SDR and one input for HDR will the 695es automatically change inputs depending on the source? if so how long does it take to switch inputs? my current JVC takes exactly 9seconds to switch and I hear that the Sonys are much faster.

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If I calibrate one input for SDR and one input for HDR will the 695es automatically change inputs depending on the source? if so how long does it take to switch inputs? my current JVC takes exactly 9seconds to switch and I hear that the Sonys are much faster.

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I run all my components to the projector via my receiver, and switching between components is only a couple seconds. For each component, my blu ray player for example, I have calibrated Cinema Film 1 for 1080p sources and Cinema Film 2 for BT.2020 but not for HDR, as my player does tone mapping. For my Shield, I have a similar setup with Cinema Film 1 setup for 1080p content and Cinema Film 2 setup for HDR. Switching between these is very quick.
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I run all my components to the projector via my receiver, and switching between components is only a couple seconds. For each component, my blu ray player for example, I have calibrated Cinema Film 1 for 1080p sources and Cinema Film 2 for BT.2020 but not for HDR, as my player does tone mapping. For my Shield, I have a similar setup with Cinema Film 1 setup for 1080p content and Cinema Film 2 setup for HDR. Switching between these is very quick.
Thank m0j0, so for the shield does it automatically switch between Cinema Film 1 or Cinema Film 2 depending on whether SDR or HDR is being sent or do you have to change it manually?
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Thank m0j0, so for the shield does it automatically switch between Cinema Film 1 or Cinema Film 2 depending on whether SDR or HDR is being sent or do you have to change it manually?

It does not switch, I have to do it manually. It does detect and switch color space and changes Contrast to Contrast (HDR) if the source is HDR material, so you could use Cinema Film 1 or 2 for both HDR and non HDR and it would switch in that way. However, most people prefer to use Cinema Film 2 for setting up and calibrating for 4k / HDR material and Cinema Film 1 for 1080p Rec709 material I believe.
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For HDMI Dynamic Range, are you guys using Limited or Enhanced? I’m using it with an Oppo 203.
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For HDMI Dynamic Range, are you guys using Limited or Enhanced? I’m using it with an Oppo 203.

I have HDMI Dynamic Range set to Auto.


I also found this info online:


https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...icles/00013709

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