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I had the mx160 and it worked perfectly! I was able to haggle my way into getting a great deal on upgrading. I wanted the new features (HDCP 2.2/2.3, 18Gbps & 4:4:4 Color). The new features are what I’m having a problem with.
Apologies if I am teaching you to suck eggs, but the video options on Page 17 of your user manual seem to have some provisos as to what gets passed and how.

Have you tried any/all of those combos at all?

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I had the mx160 and it worked perfectly! I was able to haggle my way into getting a great deal on upgrading. I wanted the new features (HDCP 2.2/2.3, 18Gbps & 4:4:4 Color). The new features are what I’m having a problem with.
Hm... I think those "new features" you want are already supported by the MX160/Marantz 8805. You don't need the MX170 for that. The MX170/MP60 have the exact same HDMI specs (HDCP 2.2 only is listed for 8805/MP60, I don't think 2.3 is a thing yet). All do 18Gbps and 4:4:4 (although you can't do 4K60p HDR at 4:4:4 because that requires >18Gbps, but 4:2:2 HDR is doable, 4:4:4 HDR @ 4K24p, as is 4:4:4 SDR @ 4K60p; see https://community.cedia.net/blogs/da...tes-for-4k-hdr).

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I'm using a Marantz 8805 and a Panny UB9000 via 50' Ruipro active cable (from the Marantz); tried out Gemini Man to see what 4K60p looks like (and if it would even work at this bitrate/bitdepth) and all is working perfectly. The McIntosh/Lyngdorf rigs ought to handle this easily...?
I use a 35FT RUIPRO Fiber HDMI Cable with no issues.
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Hm... I think those "new features" you want are already supported by the MX160/Marantz 8805. You don't need the MX170 for that. The MX170/MP60 have the exact same HDMI specs (HDCP 2.2 only is listed for 8805/MP60, I don't think 2.3 is a thing yet). All do 18Gbps and 4:4:4 (although you can't do 4K60p HDR at 4:4:4 because that requires >18Gbps, but 4:2:2 HDR is doable, 4:4:4 HDR @ 4K24p, as is 4:4:4 SDR @ 4K60p; see https://community.cedia.net/blogs/da...tes-for-4k-hdr).
It was the cable! I got a Monoprice DynamicView Active High Speed HDMI Cable - [email protected], HDR, 18Gbps, 28AWG, YCbCr 4:4:4, CL2, 30ft, Black and everything is working perfectly. I think the Audioquest Cherry Cola was losing the voltage it needed but im no expert. I tried the Monoprice Luxe Series Active High Speed HDMI Cable - [email protected] 18Gbps HDR 28AWG YCbCr 4:4:4 CL3 30ft Gray and it did not work. Weird because it looks like all the spec are the same but the CL safety rating. Thanks everyone!
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Long-time lurker of this thread, building out a theater room right now. I have a 695 sitting in box with the Paladin DCR lens, just waiting on finishing touches in my theater room to install. Will be using a Screen Innovations Zero Edge Pro 2.4:1 120" screen (1.4 gain).

I'll be rocking the DP-UB820 for discs and AppleTV and Comcast for content.

Looking forward to others' perspectives here, as this will be my first dedicated media room, first projector, etc.
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Could you please kindly share your experience with the lens? Have you noticed a considerable uplift in video quality with the DCR lens on 695? I am considering purchasing the Paladin DCR. I have a 2.35:1 screen.

Thanks..
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Could you please kindly share your experience with the lens? Have you noticed a considerable uplift in video quality with the DCR lens on 695? I am considering purchasing the Paladin DCR. I have a 2.35:1 screen.

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I'm using a different projector, but the DCR lens will give you a nice boost on a scope screen. Love mine !
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I'm using a different projector, but the DCR lens will give you a nice boost on a scope screen. Love mine !
Thank you for the feedback Craig.
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Thank you for the feedback Craig.
With any A-lens you will be able to see some negative effect with test patterns, but with a good A-lens it should not have any negative effect with actual content. So then you are able to reap the benefits of increased light output, fast aspect ratio changes, higher pixel fill and no issues with aspect ratio changing movies. The fast aspect ratio changes is a big one for me. For a short time I switched from an A-lens to using lens memory and it drove me crazy with how slow it was, compared to using an A-lens. But I do switch back and forth between aspect ratios a lot.
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Could you please kindly share your experience with the lens? Have you noticed a considerable uplift in video quality with the DCR lens on 695? I am considering purchasing the Paladin DCR. I have a 2.35:1 screen.

Thanks..
If you mostly watch scope content, it's a great effect. After a professional calibration by Ken Whitcomb, this thing is BRIGHT in HDR / high lamp. In the post you quoted I said I was using a Screen Innovations Black Diamond (ALR) 1.4 gain screen. I had too many problems with hot spots and sparkles, and swapped it for a 1.0 screen and am much happier (though I would not buy SI again). You already have your screen, so I'd consider what the gain is.

Automating the v stretch / squeeze modes with my harmony remote (and having quick macros to do it as content changes) has been great.

I think the only criticism i might have, which is known, is that the black levels are not the best in the business, and the gain of the lens only magnifies that (pun intended). But overall I am happy.

And the calibration made a HUGE difference in the quality of the picture presented.
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With any A-lens you will be able to see some negative effect with test patterns, but with a good A-lens it should not have any negative effect with actual content. So then you are able to reap the benefits of increased light output, fast aspect ratio changes, higher pixel fill and no issues with aspect ratio changing movies. The fast aspect ratio changes is a big one for me. For a short time I switched from an A-lens to using lens memory and it drove me crazy with how slow it was, compared to using an A-lens. But I do switch back and forth between aspect ratios a lot.
Thanks for the information Mike. I generally watch UHD movies on the disc and Netflix.
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If you mostly watch scope content, it's a great effect. After a professional calibration by Ken Whitcomb, this thing is BRIGHT in HDR / high lamp. In the post you quoted I said I was using a Screen Innovations Black Diamond (ALR) 1.4 gain screen. I had too many problems with hot spots and sparkles, and swapped it for a 1.0 screen and am much happier (though I would not buy SI again). You already have your screen, so I'd consider what the gain is.

Automating the v stretch / squeeze modes with my harmony remote (and having quick macros to do it as content changes) has been great.

I think the only criticism i might have, which is known, is that the black levels are not the best in the business, and the gain of the lens only magnifies that (pun intended). But overall I am happy.

And the calibration made a HUGE difference in the quality of the picture presented.
Glad to hear that the combination of the Sony 695 projector and lens is good. I will look at hiring a calibrator as I am not technical enough. I am using a Severtson screen.
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Glad to hear that the combination of the Sony 695 projector and lens is good. I will look at hiring a calibrator as I am not technical enough. I am using a Severtson screen.
Many thanks for the feedback Daniel.
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help with projector screen

Hi would like to no what screen to buy to go along with the sony vw695es
i have a light controlled room so can be very dark or very bright.
will a ALR screen be good with about 0.8 gain or one with 1.3 gain.
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Hi would like to no what screen to buy to go along with the sony vw695es
i have a light controlled room so can be very dark or very bright.
will a ALR screen be good with about 0.8 gain or one with 1.3 gain.
Solid or acoustically transparent screen? Also, what size screen were you planning?

Did you have a budget in mind?
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Hi would like to no what screen to buy to go along with the sony vw695es
i have a light controlled room so can be very dark or very bright.
will a ALR screen be good with about 0.8 gain or one with 1.3 gain.

I have been very happy with my Stewart Cima Neve screen coupled with the 695es!
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I wanted a 120 inch screen most concerned about what gain to get and if alr will work with the projector
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I wanted a 120 inch screen most concerned about what gain to get and if alr will work with the projector

Mine is 115" diagonal 2.35:1, and the gain is advertised as 1.1 but is closer to 1.25 or so I believe. My Sony 695es has over 800 hours and still lights up the screen perfectly for HDR from about 12-13' back.
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So what wouldhappen if i got a 0.8 gain ALR screen to go with it. Would it have better blacks or maybe it wont be as bright as i want to run it on low lamp mode
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So what wouldhappen if i got a 0.8 gain ALR screen to go with it. Would it have better blacks or maybe it wont be as bright as i want to run it on low lamp mode
I would not go 0.8 gain if you had higher gain options.
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I can get this its 1.3 to 1.6 gain ALR
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Why wouldnt you do 0.8 gain. Will it be too dim?
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Me personally, I would be shooting for 1.1 gain to 1.3 gain. Anything over 1.3 and you are likely to be dealing with sparkles/hot spots.
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Why wouldnt you do 0.8 gain. Will it be too dim?
Yes. Much too dim for low lamp mode, and MUCH too dim for HDR.
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Why wouldnt you do 0.8 gain. Will it be too dim?
Not bright enough for HDR to last very long.
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Hey guys, spent sometime searching this AM but haven't found an answer to what Sony settings need to be changed to allow the UB820 to control tone mapping.

Thanks in advanced
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Where? I have been looking online and I am seeing prices in the high 6's almost everywhere.

Sorry, I should have been more clear about it. I actually bought mine used with about 140 hours on the bulb from someone on avsforum. I would keep an eye out in the classifieds section. As far as the JVC's, I would ask on the JVC forums. They can probably direct you to a dealer or two that can give you a good price on a new JVC NX7 (street pricing vs. retail pricing).
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Hey guys, spent sometime searching this AM but haven't found an answer to what Sony settings need to be changed to allow the UB820 to control tone mapping.

Thanks in advanced

Maybe this will help:


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post58863574
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Thanks for you response Mojo, I have indeed used you're settings as a base line!

Guess im still a little confused, does this mean the UB820' HDR/colour Gamut Output is set to SDR/BT.2020? That shows on my preamp to be outputting only in SDR, in my mind this is the opposite of what I want?
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Thanks for you response Mojo, I have indeed used you're settings as a base line!

Guess im still a little confused, does this mean the UB820' HDR/colour Gamut Output is set to SDR/BT.2020? That shows on my preamp to be outputting only in SDR, in my mind this is the opposite of what I want?
It is a bit confusing, but yes, SDR bt.2020 is what you need for the 820 to do Tone mapping of 4K material. Then you want to adjust the slider to find the best balance between contrast and brightness/highlights.
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