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Darknightsw 11-30-2018 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Frohlich (Post 57192860)
The Sony has its advantages and the JVC has its advantages. Reading the JVC threads you'd think you were comparing a Ferrari and an Accord.....its more like a Ferrari and Porsche. Sony has class leading input lag and motion handling. It handles color beautifully when calibrated (actually comes out of the box pretty darn solid) and throws a very very nice image. Honestly, I have seen many projectors over the years. The JVC has better contrast, lens and auto tone mapping. But if you don't have a bat cave with black velvet, you will lose some of the advantage of the JVC. Also you are buying a first generation design while with the Sony you are getting a proven design.

I would recommend getting a demo of the Sony (or any projector you are considering ) and then see if it meets or doesn't meet your needs.

Hi Frohlich , thanks very much for your anwser .

I have demo a 695 and note very convinced with the blacks .. or the brightness .. but in the demo they dont let me try other settings .. and i dont know if the 695 was good calibration .. ( room was totaly dark ) .. they told me that they had make a quick calibration ... but overral not very impressed with the 695 on a dark room with a 150 inch white screen 1.1 gain ..

I also have a totaly black bat cave home theater :) .. but at the moment with a 84 inch lg 4k tv .. that have a beautifull image on 4k and 3d .. but i would like to go bigger for movies .. and tv for netflix series a gaming ..

GregCh 11-30-2018 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Darknightsw (Post 57192992)
Hi Frohlich , thanks very much for your anwser .

I have demo a 695 and note very convinced with the blacks .. or the brightness .. but in the demo they dont let me try other settings .. and i dont know if the 695 was good calibration .. ( room was totaly dark ) .. they told me that they had make a quick calibration ... but overral not very impressed with the 695 on a dark room with a 150 inch white screen 1.1 gain ..

I also have a totaly black bat cave home theater :) .. but at the moment with a 84 inch lg 4k tv .. that have a beautifull image on 4k and 3d .. but i would like to go bigger for movies .. and tv for netflix series a gaming ..

If you are going to go for 150" screen then the 695 may not be bright enough for you. You might want to actually wait for the NX9 from JVC. It is rated at 2200 lumens vs 695 at 1800 lumens. Also the 695 will have a native contrast around 12,000 - 15:000 :1 depending on the settings and the JVC will be more like 80,0000 - 100,000:1. So if you have a bat cave for your HT then the JVC will have better black levels and better contrast. More like the lg 4k tv.

But as Frohlich has said both projectors are good choices. Sony makes a good product. I just think that it is way overpriced at Sony's MSRP. If you can find it under MSRP then it might be a good choice.

Darknightsw 11-30-2018 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GregCh (Post 57193172)
If you are going to go for 150" screen then the 695 may not be bright enough for you. You might want to actually wait for the NX9 from JVC. It is rated at 2200 lumens vs 695 at 1800 lumens. Also the 695 will have a native contrast around 12,000 - 15:000 :1 depending on the settings and the JVC will be more like 80,0000 - 100,000:1. So if you have a bat cave for your HT then the JVC will have better black levels and better contrast. More like the lg 4k tv.

But as Frohlich has said both projectors are good choices. Sony makes a good product. I just think that it is way overpriced at Sony's MSRP. If you can find it under MSRP then it might be a good choice.

I m going for 138 inch 2.35.1 screen 1.1 gain elite screens cinewhite . Nx9 is already much expensive than i want to spend :( . the native contrast of the 695 is so low :( , it was suposed to be at least 35.000... - 350.000.. now i was thinking on the jvc x790 ... n5 will kill me the waiting ... or sony 695 ... everything points for n5 come much better then the 695 :( and i can get both some price ... god dammit jvc and delays .

Frohlich 11-30-2018 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Darknightsw (Post 57193278)
I m going for 138 inch 2.35.1 screen 1.1 gain elite screens cinewhite . Nx9 is already much expensive than i want to spend :( . the native contrast of the 695 is so low :( , it was suposed to be at least 35.000... - 350.000.. now i was thinking on the jvc x790 ... n5 will kill me the waiting ... or sony 695 ... everything points for n5 come much better then the 695 :( and i can get both some price ... god dammit jvc and delays .

Borrowed this from Kjelt on the JVC board in case it helps. Keep in mind a lot of what you are seeing is the room and not just the projector so unless you had the JVC and the Sony in the same room, it can be hard to make a definitive determination of how things will look in your room. Thats an unfortunate reality of projectors is that seeing them in a showroom is a decent way to make an assessment but until you get it home, you won't really know.


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Well these are the results from a dutch ISF calibrator after calibration, ofcourse these were still pre-production machines:


Sony 270
ANSI Contrast is : 347:1
Native Contrast is : 4700:1
https://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index....397#msg3188397


JVC-N5
ANSI contrast 210:1
Native contrast 9000:1
https://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index....414#msg3187414

If you have other results from ISF calibrators I would love to see them, numbers from brochures I am not interested in

GregCh 11-30-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Frohlich (Post 57193356)
Borrowed this from Kjelt on the JVC board in case it helps. Keep in mind a lot of what you are seeing is the room and not just the projector so unless you had the JVC and the Sony in the same room, it can be hard to make a definitive determination of how things will look in your room. Thats an unfortunate reality of projectors is that seeing them in a showroom is a decent way to make an assessment but until you get it home, you won't really know.


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Well these are the results from a dutch ISF calibrator after calibration, ofcourse these were still pre-production machines:


Sony 270
ANSI Contrast is : 347:1
Native Contrast is : 4700:1
https://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index....397#msg3188397


JVC-N5
ANSI contrast 210:1
Native contrast 9000:1
https://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index....414#msg3187414

If you have other results from ISF calibrators I would love to see them, numbers from brochures I am not interested in

Those numbers don't look correct for either projector. Something fishy with those results but it is hard to say under what conditions and what meters were being used. Also the preproduction model could have been passed around to multiple locations causing some issues due to shipping all around.

That Sony and JVC should have much higher Native contrast. ANSI looks close on the 270 but ANSI on the JVC should be about twice that.

Cleveland Plasma 11-30-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Darknightsw (Post 57192992)
Hi Frohlich , thanks very much for your anwser .

I have demo a 695 and note very convinced with the blacks .. or the brightness .. but in the demo they dont let me try other settings .. and i dont know if the 695 was good calibration .. ( room was totaly dark ) .. they told me that they had make a quick calibration ... but overral not very impressed with the 695 on a dark room with a 150 inch white screen 1.1 gain ..

I also have a totaly black bat cave home theater :) .. but at the moment with a 84 inch lg 4k tv .. that have a beautifull image on 4k and 3d .. but i would like to go bigger for movies .. and tv for netflix series a gaming ..

Well I have asked Chad B what TV's are the JVC's like. He had said the 540U/790R is between a 900F and Z9D Sony TV's which is amazing. The LG you have is below those two Sony TV's.

--I need to ask Chad where the Sony Projectors fall.......

kaotikr1 11-30-2018 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregCh (Post 57193172)
If you are going to go for 150" screen then the 695 may not be bright enough for you. You might want to actually wait for the NX9 from JVC. It is rated at 2200 lumens vs 695 at 1800 lumens. Also the 695 will have a native contrast around 12,000 - 15:000 :1 depending on the settings and the JVC will be more like 80,0000 - 100,000:1. So if you have a bat cave for your HT then the JVC will have better black levels and better contrast. More like the lg 4k tv.

But as Frohlich has said both projectors are good choices. Sony makes a good product. I just think that it is way overpriced at Sony's MSRP. If you can find it under MSRP then it might be a good choice.

Yes, if you can get 2200 lumens while getting 80-100k native contrast the NX9 will be a monster, although I thought the 80-100k was with the iris being clamped down but we dont have a production model to reference yet.

Darknightsw 12-01-2018 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma (Post 57193546)
Well I have asked Chad B what TV's are the JVC's like. He had said the 540U/790R is between a 900F and Z9D Sony TV's which is amazing. The LG you have is below those two Sony TV's.

--I need to ask Chad where the Sony Projectors fall.......

And the sony 695 ?? Better or worse then 790r ? And what have the beter 3d ?

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Aztar35 12-01-2018 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Darknightsw (Post 57196920)
And the sony 695 ?? Better or worse then 790r ? And what have the beter 3d ?

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For 2D viewing, the 790 will have deeper blacks, slightly lower fan noise and be slightly brighter in low lamp. (But e-Shift can emanate a humming noise with unit variances.) The 790 also has a wider color spec with its 2020 filter engaged, but I couldn't see that difference by eye alone on the 750. With that said, I believe that everything else is in favor of the Sony 695. The sharpness along with its outstanding processing and motion handling, the 695 ...well, there's nothing raw about it; it's images are just very calm and very refined.

I haven't tried 3D on the 695.

Frohlich 12-01-2018 01:17 PM

I just received my 695 yesterday and have spent some time playing games, watching a UHD blu ray and watching some college football. Here are some high level thoughts (similar to what other's have already stated):

-18 gps chipset now allows 60hz HDR content like gaming to be played (I am a heavy gamer)
-picture looks similar to 385 I previously owned
-4k images are very sharp
-lens has very good uniformity
-colors are very natural which I have found with a lot of Sony projectors that they come out of the box looking pretty darn good
-my convergence was off a hair but easy fix in the menu system
-contrast is plenty good for my needs
-using low lamp mode turns off the fan and is plenty bright on my 130 inch screen (1.0 gain AT screen)
-motion is excellent
-reality creation looks great as I have always liked the effect on the picture

Very happy so far but anytime you get a new toy its hard not to be excited when you first receive it.

Domcorleone 12-01-2018 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frohlich (Post 57199190)
I just received my 695 yesterday and have spent some time playing games, watching a UHD blu ray and watching some college football. Here are some high level thoughts (similar to what other's have already stated):

-18 gps chipset now allows 60hz HDR content like gaming to be played (I am a heavy gamer)
-picture looks similar to 385 I previously owned
-4k images are very sharp
-lens has very good uniformity
-colors are very natural which I have found with a lot of Sony projectors that they come out of the box looking pretty darn good
-my convergence was off a hair but easy fix in the menu system
-contrast is plenty good for my needs
-using low lamp mode turns off the fan and is plenty bright on my 130 inch screen (1.0 gain AT screen)
-motion is excellent
-reality creation looks great as I have always liked the effect on the picture

Very happy so far but anytime you get a new toy its hard not to be excited when you first receive it.


Now that the JVC's are officially delayed until 2019 I think I'm going to jump on the 695es. Would you mind taking a few photos of it in action? I would love to see the images it puts out.
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Does the 695 automatically switch to HDR/SDR by detecting the signal?

Aztar35 12-01-2018 02:05 PM

I'm in.

After hearing about the JVC delays, I decided to get and just got my Sony 695 and just finished messing with it. I'm very happy with the purchase. I've had JVCs for years, so I don't even know how to even work the Sony menu yet. I did demo the 285Es and the 675ES and after demo'ing the 695, I concluded the 695 was better and it stuck in my mind as an alternative. I'm glad I did. Loving the picture! :)

Frohlich 12-01-2018 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domcorleone (Post 57199364)
Now that the JVC's are officially delayed until 2019 I think I'm going to jump on the 695es. Would you mind taking a few photos of it in action? I would love to see the images it puts out.
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Does the 695 automatically switch to HDR/SDR by detecting the signal?

Boy, I take pictures like Michigan plays football...not so great (I am a Buckeye fan :p ). I have learned from reading these forums that taking a quality picture of a content on a screen is very tricky business and often doesn't look like what you see when you are in the room. That being said, there are some links in the first post with some reviews that show images (link below). I would use those before trusting anything I would provide.

Yes, it does automatically switch between HDR and SDR. There is no manual toggling or anything like that...if that is what you meant. It just reads the incoming signaling and treats it accordingly.

http://cine4home.de/sony-vpl-vw270-v...serienschnitt/

Spizz 12-01-2018 02:20 PM

I might have to catch a look at the Sony VPL-VW570ES (695ES) while awaiting the JVC NX7 to gather my thoughts on what to do and see what the Sony's motion handling is like.

Domcorleone 12-01-2018 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aztar35 (Post 57199470)
I'm in.

After hearing about the JVC delays, I decided to get and just got my Sony 695 and just finished messing with it. I'm very happy with the purchase. I've had JVCs for years, so I don't even know how to even work the Sony menu yet. I did demo the 285Es and the 675ES and after demo'ing the 695, I concluded the 695 was better and it stuck in my mind as an alternative. I'm glad I did. Loving the picture! :)

How is the HDR performance compared to your previous JVC? Also are you pleased with the contrast? I'll be coming from a JVC 790

Aztar35 12-01-2018 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domcorleone (Post 57200712)
How is the HDR performance compared to your previous JVC? Also are you pleased with the contrast? I'll be coming from a JVC 790

I really like this 695 and am very pleased with the contrast. Once I calibrated the gamma to suite, I had no issue with black levels or contrast.

If you want good Ultra HD content reproduction with decent enough HDR brightness, then these lamp-based Lcos machines can be good. The 695's processor is outstanding!

Now, if die-hard/seriously bright projection HDR is your main goal, I think there are better alternatives than either the JVC X790 or this Sony too. If you're not rainbow sensitive, then think about the Optoma UHZ65 (3,000 uncalibrated lumens) which is thousands less than this machine, or the BenQ LK970 (5,000 uncalibrated lumens) and see where you can get an LK970 refurb for a great price. I personally know that dynamic contrast on the UHZ65 with its dynamic dimming is very good indeed. I have not seen the BenQ LK970 in person to have personal knowledge of its contrast/black level performance. Those are laser-based XPR DLPS and put up very sharp images.

svpdog 12-02-2018 04:49 AM

Just pulled the trigger on the Sony 695es. My screen will be a StudioTech G3 130 that is 118" diagonal (16x9 ratio). Will a throw distance of 16 feet be bright enough in a my room with some light coming from my equipment racks? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

Frohlich 12-02-2018 05:30 AM

Seems like this thread is coming to life with more owners starting to show up just in time for Christmas. Enjoy your new toys gentlemen.

Aztar35 12-02-2018 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJR662 (Post 57072928)
Any word perhaps on how the HDR reference mode works? Also when compared to using Panasonic's HDR optimizer?

Regardless, I would use a good external source to tone map HDR with the 695. Using a good external source to tone map and proper gamma got rid of a somewhat milky cast I was getting (on some content over black parts) at first in Auto and and then gave me what I would consider surprisingly excellent blacks out of this Sony.

Darknightsw 12-02-2018 06:01 AM

Can the new 695 owners put some 4k videos of your new toys with 1080p and 4k content, pleaseeeee ... really very undecided between this or jvc 790..??

Is supossed the 695 get atleast this quality no ??



I have demo a 695 and doesnt looked as good as this simple benq lol.. is that possible??

Thans very much for the help.



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markmon1 12-02-2018 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Darknightsw (Post 57202226)
Can the new 695 owners put some 4k videos of your new toys with 1080p and 4k content, pleaseeeee ... really very undecided between this or jvc 790..??

Is supossed the 695 get atleast this quality no ??


I have demo a 695 and doesnt looked as good as this simple benq lol.. is that possible??

Thans very much for the help.



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The 695ES utterly destroys that Benq. There's no comparison. You cannot judge anything based on filmed youtube videos you're watching on another display. That's like trying to judge speakers from a youtube video while playing on your pc desktop speakers.

markmon1 12-02-2018 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frohlich (Post 57202158)
Seems like this thread is coming to life with more owners starting to show up just in time for Christmas. Enjoy your new toys gentlemen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by svpdog (Post 57202054)
Just pulled the trigger on the Sony 695es. My screen will be a StudioTech G3 130 that is 118" diagonal (16x9 ratio). Will a throw distance of 16 feet be bright enough in a my room with some light coming from my equipment racks? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aztar35 (Post 57202210)
Regardless, I would use a good external source to tone map HDR with the 695. Using a good external source to tone map and proper gamma got rid of a somewhat milky cast I was getting at first in Auto and gave me what I would consider surprisingly excellent blacks out of this Sony.

Any of you owners, have you used an HTPC yet and verified you can sync 4k/60/RGB8 with no problem? This was my biggest complaint with the 675ES having to run games in 4k/60/YUV420 then deal with kicking my JVC on to watch movies and dealing with limited vs full etc. If the new sony's with 18gb are 4k/60/srgb8 then this solves that problem and I might consider a 295ES for games only and pass on the RS3000 this round.

Aztar35 12-02-2018 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by markmon1 (Post 57202252)
Any of you owners, have you used an HTPC yet and verified you can sync 4k/60/RGB8 with no problem? This was my biggest complaint with the 675ES having to run games in 4k/60/YUV420 then deal with kicking my JVC on to watch movies and dealing with limited vs full etc. If the new sony's with 18gb are 4k/60/srgb8 then this solves that problem and I might consider a 295ES for games only and pass on the RS3000 this round.

Hi, Mark. I haven't tried that yet. But I think Frolich may have.

Frohlich 12-02-2018 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markmon1 (Post 57202252)
Any of you owners, have you used an HTPC yet and verified you can sync 4k/60/RGB8 with no problem? This was my biggest complaint with the 675ES having to run games in 4k/60/YUV420 then deal with kicking my JVC on to watch movies and dealing with limited vs full etc. If the new sony's with 18gb are 4k/60/srgb8 then this solves that problem and I might consider a 295ES for games only and pass on the RS3000 this round.

I am gaming in 4K/60/HDR on the XBOX one X and really love the image. I don't have an HTPC so I haven't tested YUV420.

markmon1 12-02-2018 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Frohlich (Post 57202394)
I am gaming in 4K/60/HDR on the XBOX one X and really love the image. I don't have an HTPC so I haven't tested YUV420.

Ok thanks. I'm looking for 4K/60/SRGB I guess. If anyone can confirm that they've linked that.

Cleveland Plasma 12-02-2018 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frohlich (Post 57202158)
Seems like this thread is coming to life with more owners starting to show up just in time for Christmas. Enjoy your new toys gentlemen.

With JVC's delay, Sony will sell more, no question about that.

enricoclaudio 12-02-2018 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markmon1 (Post 57202252)
Any of you owners, have you used an HTPC yet and verified you can sync 4k/60/RGB8 with no problem? This was my biggest complaint with the 675ES having to run games in 4k/60/YUV420 then deal with kicking my JVC on to watch movies and dealing with limited vs full etc. If the new sony's with 18gb are 4k/60/srgb8 then this solves that problem and I might consider a 295ES for games only and pass on the RS3000 this round.

I’m also seriously considering on getting a 295ES and give it a try. My room is light controlled but not a bat cave. I love the picture and color I get from my HW40ES, but I want a sharper picture and HDR. My only issue with HDR is that my main source is ATV 4K and what I’m reading is that you would need an external HDR processor to get the best out of the Sony. The Panny 820 looks like the solution for UHD discs but what about ATV 4K? Lumagen is out of the question due to its prohibitive price!! So what do you guys do when streaming with ATV 4K on HDR? Does the 695 or 295 looks good?

kaotikr1 12-02-2018 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markmon1 (Post 57202252)
Any of you owners, have you used an HTPC yet and verified you can sync 4k/60/RGB8 with no problem? This was my biggest complaint with the 675ES having to run games in 4k/60/YUV420 then deal with kicking my JVC on to watch movies and dealing with limited vs full etc. If the new sony's with 18gb are 4k/60/srgb8 then this solves that problem and I might consider a 295ES for games only and pass on the RS3000 this round.



Don’t do it! You need to stick to saving people from buying these machines. :)

Mike Garrett 12-02-2018 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaotikr1 (Post 57192652)
The 650 was brighter for sure and had better contrast.

White is white and color is color once calibrated.

With no gaming for you, I would recommend the 790 if that is what you are looking at.

I assume when he is talking color advantage of the JVC, he was referring to the JVC having the DCI P3 filter for HDR?

Darknightsw 12-02-2018 01:32 PM

So , i believe most of you , have seen this video right ?

Sony VPL-VW385ES vs JVC DLA-X790R

JVC wins and is better on the most important fields, and overral looks more like a nice 4k tv with deep black , better colors , more bright ( better for hdr and 3d i think ???) ..wins, but not for very much .. and vw 385 is only 1500 lumens ..

Now, if it was the 695 ( better on everything then the 385 , and with 1800 lumens, released now) , and this vs jvc 790 ... do you believe the jvc 790 can stil wins on any field ??? I believe 695 is the better choice no ? are the blacks of the 695 near the 790 ?

Anyone have experienced the 3d on this sonys SXRD projectors vs jvc ???

I will use the projector on a 138 inch cinemascope screen elite screens cinewhite 1.1 gain , room total black 100% , i will be 14ft from the screen.

Thanks very much for the help ... trying to find out the best choise to buy this week . In Portugal is almost impossible to demo this projectors :( .


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