Originally Posted by Bytehoven
Dave... with such nice lumen output, if using the lk990 or future l6000, would a filter be used to dial in performance for a smaller 115" size screen?
Id love to see either if these units in action.
I’m hoping to find that out soon. I’ve been having some goings back and forth with
about filters and what he’s tried and what’s best for this type of situation and it seems we’ve narrowed it down to most likely an FL-D filter and/or possibly an ND filter, or maybe a combo of both.
I’m debating ordering them now to try on the LK970 or wait until the LK990/L6000 is released and see what they have to offer first.
Originally Posted by Kris Deering
I looked at the specs on these and I'm surprised. Low 90% for 709 coverage is pretty sad, especially when right in the sales stuff below on their webpage they are showing a scene that supposedly shows their tech vs other HDR projectors and it shows more saturated color. That would definitely NOT be the case if they can't even achieve 709 where most HDR projectors are around 90% or more of P3. Luminance will only get you so far here.
I also don't think that shadow detail is the right word. The reason most people think shadow detail is better on a DLP is because those areas are lifted due to the higher black floor. It takes HIGHER contrast to get better true shadow detail. Most DLPs need to be run at a higher gamma due to the black floor so they don't clip, so they come out of black FASTER. If you setup a higher contrast projector with the same gamma, it would look the same or better more often than not.
I loved the optics on the 9050, it was a great lens. Its big issue at its price point in regards to optics was the lack of motorized control, which is a glaring omission at that price and in the world of scope screens or even trying to dial in focus perfectly at the screen.
I was going to look at one of these for a possible review but I think I will wait for the 9060 as they seem more suited for home theater. After my sit-down with BenQ's engineers after the 9050 review, I have mixed feelings about how many issues will truly be resolved going forward in their designs, but they have the potential to be fantastic.
I believe the color gamut was measured with the high lumens for business purposes since this is marketed as a business/commercial machine for places like museums, churches, etc. if you calibrate that down and mess with the CMS, greyscale, user controls, Gamma, etc. as I do you’ll find you get much more out of it, at least on the LK970 anyway so we are hoping the LK990 is the same with the improvements we’ve been hoping for over the LK970.
I get what you’re saying about shadow detail, but as 12GAGE says below, what else do we call it? I’m telling you this is a unit you have to see, setup the way I do, to understand. I feel like I just stumbled on this and it’s something that defies normal projector logic. The combination of my tweaks and the design seem to meld together almost perfectly. By tricking the source with something like an HDFury to send full a HDR signal, then changing gamma to 2.8, increasing contrast and colors and then going into CMS and Gains/Cuts and doing some magic, the end result on 95%+ of HDR scenes is nothing short of astonishing!
In my personal experience with the HT9050 and LK970, you’ll be doing yourself (and maybe your readers) a disservice by choosing only the HT9060 over an LK970/990/L6000. At worst I would do a 960 along with an LK990/L6000.
Originally Posted by 12GAGE
Hey Kris, the 9060 probably would be better to review however I think you will probably find most of the same issues with some improvements. I am not sure what BenQ changed on the the 990 but the 970 can do about 90% of P3. I thought there marketing data seemed strange on that unit. To your point below; if shadow detail is not the correct term then what would you refer to that phenoma as ? The 970 is a strange bird because it has a better lens than the 9050/9060 and is so bright that you can do some things with the gamma response that probably wouldn't be advisable for a DLP unit that didn't calibrate as bright. 3600 calibrated lumens is something that for hdr is fairly rare in the consumer projector space. Specifically for HDR and sports the 970/990 hit the mark for me. Running a lower gamma (2.6 to 2.8) with the laser algorithm extending brightness for highlights provide an extremely dynamic HDR experience for these units.
Yes their marketing on these is very strange indeed. It’s clearly pushed towards the “I need max brightness for a bright room”
crowd, but with some small keywords for the latest video signal tech like HDR, 4K, color gamut, etc. thrown in to hit some mental points the buyer may have from their internet research since they were tasked to buy their company some new projectors.
Kris, just ignore their marketing since it’s known that this model isn’t marketed for what we want to use it for. We all know marketing is way off of the truth for HT models with things like their contrast and brightness in lumens claims, so why start all of the sudden believing them now when there’s so many first hand reports to the contrary?
I have said it on so many occasions but I’ll say it again. This is a unit you MUST see properly setup for our use to understand. If you haven’t then whatever preconceived notions you have will take over, and they’ll be way off.