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Just stumbled upon this not sure if it was posted earlier. Price $5,996.99
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Believing and knowing are two different things! LOL 😆😀

Looking through the posts and Robert states emphatically that "LG's new HU85LA is a native full 4K HDR chipset, it is not an e-shift chip. I confirmed this with LG's engineer in charge of projectors" which everyone knows is pure fallacy. He's a sales guy and it's 100% possible he may not have all the answers so the pricing he has may again be a placeholder!
Since it was shown at CES 2019 and there was no new native 4K chip available, it has to be e-shift. It is dual laser, just like Hisense introduced at CEDIA 2018.
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Just stumbled upon this not sure if it was posted earlier. Price $5,996.99
Ouch. Guess B&H's price essentially confirms the final price short of what LG's stated. Might have to go Optoma P1 then...
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Since it was shown at CES 2019 and there was no new native 4K chip available, it has to be e-shift. It is dual laser, just like Hisense introduced at CEDIA 2018.
@Mike G arret it's 4K Native. No shifting here. If it was then the price may have been $3K-$4K

Check the spec sheet here: valueelectronics DOT COM /uploads/HU85LA_Spec_Sheet.pdf or see attached
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@Mike G arret it's 4K Native. No shifting here. If it was then the price may have been $3K-$4K

Check the spec sheet here: valueelectronics DOT COM /uploads/HU85LA_Spec_Sheet.pdf or see attached
No it is not. It is E-shift type of display. Read the fine print. It even says it is XPR. XPR is DLP's version of E-shift. "*4K UHD resolution with 8.3 million discrete pixels projected by XPR (Expanded Pixel Resolution) video processing"
People are dreaming if they think they are going to get new native 4K chips in an ultra short throw anywhere below 50k at this point in time.

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XPR does throw a very sharp image, much like true native 4K, but where XPR DLP takes a big hit is with the 1,000:1 native contrast. Also lag time is usually on the high side.
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No it is not. It is E-shift type of display. Read the fine print. It even says it is XPR. XPR is DLP's version of E-shift. "*4K UHD resolution with 8.3 million discrete pixels projected by XPR (Expanded Pixel Resolution) video processing"
People are dreaming if they think they are going to get new native 4K chips in an ultra short throw anywhere below 50k at this point in time.

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XPR does throw a very sharp image, much like true native 4K, but where XPR DLP takes a big hit is with the 1,000:1 native contrast. Also lag time is usually on the high side.
I stand (actually sitting down) corrected. Thanks for the clarification. After I saw the $6K price I was scared away, but now I'm feeling less remorseful knowing I can get pixel shifted projectors elsewhere. Likely have to go ceiling mounted at this point vs Optoma's P1....oh well..at least I'll save on a non-UST ALR screen.

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I stand (actually sitting down) corrected. Thanks for the clarification. After I saw the $6K price I was scared away, but now I'm feeling less remorseful knowing I can get pixel shifted projectors elsewhere. Likely have to go ceiling mounted at this point vs Optoma's P1....oh well..at least I'll save on a non-UST ALR screen.

Thanks again.
I would not be scared off by the XPR resolution. XPR sharpness is 98% of native 4K. It is the lag and 1,000:1 native contrast that are the issues. Well that and RBE, but most do not see RBE.
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Non-starter for $6k, unless it blows everything else away. Doubtful, though.
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No it is not. It is E-shift type of display. Read the fine print. It even says it is XPR. XPR is DLP's version of E-shift. "*4K UHD resolution with 8.3 million discrete pixels projected by XPR (Expanded Pixel Resolution) video processing"
People are dreaming if they think they are going to get new native 4K chips in an ultra short throw anywhere below 50k at this point in time.

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I would not be scared off by the XPR resolution. XPR sharpness is 98% of native 4K. It is the lag and 1,000:1 native contrast that are the issues. Well that and RBE, but most do not see RBE.
Absolutely spot on Mike

Just add to what you say here, whilst I know you know this, for the benefit of those who are not in the know, whilst this new projector is 4M pixel-shifted to 8 million overlapped pixels, JVC's eShift is HD 1080p pixel-shifted to 4 million pixels, where native 4K is 8 million pixels. So this is better than JVC's eShift but not quite as good as native 4K. Furthermore, TI have in fact just launched a brand new chipset that IS indeed truly native 4K, which we can expect to see appearing within consumer projectors sometime next year. But this projector is not one of them...

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Absolutely spot on Mike

Just add to what you say here, whilst I know you know this, for the benefit of those who are not in the know, whilst this new projector is 4M pixel-shifted to 8 million overlapped pixels, JVC's eShift is HD 1080p pixel-shifted to 4 million pixels, where native 4K is 8 million pixels. So this is better than JVC's eShift but not quite as good as native 4K. Furthermore, TI have in fact just launched a brand new chipset that IS indeed truly native 4K, which we can expect to see appearing within consumer projectors sometime next year. But this projector is not one of them...

Can you provide a link to the new TI 4K native chipset?I would like to learn more about it.

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Can you provide a link to the new TI 4K native chipset?I would like to learn more about it.
Specifically, it's a 0.98” Native 4K resolution 3-Chip DLP chipset, which uses TI's latest TRP micromirror architecture.

The native ON/OFF contrast is circa 2.5 - 3 times greater than the existing 0.67" 4M Pixel-Shift 1-Chip DLP chipset (circa 2,300:1 vs circa 800:1) and it's 3-chip as opposed to 1-chip DLP, meaning there's no Rainbow Effect (RBE).

It's so new that there is nothing official on the TI website yet... However, this new chipset is featuring within all of BARCO's new Series 4 range of cinema projectors: https://www.cinionic.com/series4-laser-projectors

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Specifically, it's a 0.98” Native 4K resolution 3-Chip DLP chipset, which uses TI's latest TRP micromirror architecture.

The native ON/OFF contrast is circa 2.5 - 3 times greater than the existing 0.67" 4M Pixel-Shift 1-Chip DLP chipset (circa 2,300:1 vs circa 800:1) and it's 3-chip as opposed to 1-chip DLP, meaning there's no Rainbow Effect (RBE).

It's so new that there is nothing official on the TI website yet... However, this new chipset is featuring within all of BARCO's new Series 4 range of cinema projectors: https://www.cinionic.com/series4-laser-projectors


heard anything on a single chip 4k , 0.98" ?
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Specifically, it's a 0.98” Native 4K resolution 3-Chip DLP chipset, which uses TI's latest TRP micromirror architecture.

The native ON/OFF contrast is circa 2.5 - 3 times greater than the existing 0.67" 4M Pixel-Shift 1-Chip DLP chipset (circa 2,300:1 vs circa 800:1) and it's 3-chip as opposed to 1-chip DLP, meaning there's no Rainbow Effect (RBE).

It's so new that there is nothing official on the TI website yet... However, this new chipset is featuring within all of BARCO's new Series 4 range of cinema projectors: https://www.cinionic.com/series4-laser-projectors

Sounds cool but by the time it gets down to <$5K I'll be too old to be interested anymore.

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I’ve asked a local retailer about this projector and he told me that the price will be indeed a little bit above 5k euro. If the PQ is good, I think the price is more than acceptable, considering the alternative which is 20k euro.
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I’ve asked a local retailer about this projector and he told me that the price will be indeed a little bit above 5k euro. If the PQ is good, I think the price is more than acceptable, considering the alternative which is 20k euro.
Alternative is not 20k. Hisense displayed a dual laser ultra short throw at CEDIA 2018. Price was way below 20k, but way above 6K. 6K is a very good price for this LG projector.
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For those of us who are not quite as on it with the various chips and shifting technologies, can someone outline the differences between the LG HU85LA and the Xiaomi Mijia 4k - the LG being over double the price.
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For those of us who are not quite as on it with the various chips and shifting technologies, can someone outline the differences between the LG HU85LA and the Xiaomi Mijia 4k - the LG being over double the price.


Not much really. Both have the XPR .47 dmd both have a duel laser design. LG you get a tv tuner, probably a more stable android based ui, better video processing and the piece of mind knowing it’s warrantied by a well known manufacturer.
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So this is looking like DOA for 99.9%. Not surprising though perhaps it will be in a bargain bin next year for half that.
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Alternative is not 20k. Hisense displayed a dual laser ultra short throw at CEDIA 2018. Price was way below 20k, but way above 6K. 6K is a very good price for this LG projector.
There's also this unit from Dell:

https://www.projectorreviews.com/del...jector-review/
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Not much really. Both have the XPR .47 dmd both have a duel laser design. LG you get a tv tuner, probably a more stable android based ui, better video processing and the piece of mind knowing it’s warrantied by a well known manufacturer.
Is the LG using the smaller .47 chip or the larger 0.66 chip? The 0.66 is a better design.
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Is the LG using the smaller .47 chip or the larger 0.66 chip? The 0.66 is a better design.


I’m pretty sure, it seems like TI has completely abandoned the .66 dmd. I can’t say for sure though.
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I’m pretty sure, it seems like TI has completely abandoned the .66 dmd. I can’t say for sure though.
The .66DMD is in use in the latest Optoma and BenQ designs. Notably the BenQ LK series laser PJ and the HT9060 and at least 8 different Optoma PJs.
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The .66DMD is in use in the latest Optoma and BenQ designs. Notably the BenQ LK series laser PJ and the HT9060 and at least 8 different Optoma PJs.

The BenQ models are based on a chassis that was developed more than three years ago. As for Optoma, I don’t know of any .66 models that have been released since the .47 dmd debuted well over a year ago.
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The BenQ models are based on a chassis that was developed more than three years ago. As for Optoma, I don’t know of any .66 models that have been released since the .47 dmd debuted well over a year ago.
Here's two:

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-ZK750.htm



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LG HU85L 4K Ultra Short Throw Projector Announced.



Those are commercial projectors with msrp’s well over $30,000 dollars. At that price and size it’s almost criminal that they’re not using a three chip native 4k design. I guess there banking on facility managers not knowing any better. Anyway I think it’s safe to say we won’t be seeing many (if any) .67 XPR chips used in future home theater projectors. Don’t get me wrong I wish we would, the .67 XPR DMD’s have more potential. It’s just not where the industry is trending.
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Those are commercial projectors with msrp’s well over $30,000 dollars. At that price and size it’s almost criminal that they’re not using a three chip native 4k design. I guess there banking on facility managers not knowing any better. Anyway I think it’s safe to say we won’t be seeing many (if any) .67 XPR chips used in future home theater projectors. Don’t get me wrong I wish we would, the .67 XPR DMD’s have more potential. It’s just not where the industry is trending.
The above Optoma's street prices are about the same or better than Sony and JVC laser PJs that have about 1/4 the output.

I'll go out on a limb and say that it is unlikely that Optoma decided to use an abandoned DMD in their brand new, top of the line, 7.5-10K lumen projectors.

Anyways, it is safe to say that TI is still producing and developing the .67 DMD.

I don't have a crystal ball but how many entirely new non-TI 4K PJs have come to market lately? Sony and JVC seem to be offering warmed over versions of their older PJs.
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The above Optoma's street prices are about the same or better than Sony and JVC laser PJs that have about 1/4 the output.



I'll go out on a limb and say that it is unlikely that Optoma decided to use an abandoned DMD in their brand new, top of the line, 7.5-10K lumen projectors.



Anyways, it is safe to say that TI is still producing and developing the .67 DMD.



I don't have a crystal ball but how many entirely new non-TI 4K PJs have come to market lately? Sony and JVC seem to be offering warmed over versions of their older PJs.


I’m just making the case that for mainstream consumer projectors like the HU85L we probably will only have the .47 DMD being used. TI probably liscences the .47 dmd for much less, and consumers outside of this forum probably don’t know the difference. There’s just not enough incentive for manufacturers to use the .67 dmd. I’d be shocked if LG uses the .67dmd for the HU85L. That being said, I’d gladly eat crow if it meant the HU85L used the .67 dmd at a reasonable price.

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Those are commercial projectors with msrp’s well over $30,000 dollars. At that price and size it’s almost criminal that they’re not using a three chip native 4k design. I guess there banking on facility managers not knowing any better. Anyway I think it’s safe to say we won’t be seeing many (if any) .67 XPR chips used in future home theater projectors. Don’t get me wrong I wish we would, the .67 XPR DMD’s have more potential. It’s just not where the industry is trending.
That will not be good. The 0.47 chip gives up some sharpness. The larger .67 chip looks very close to native 4K sharpness. These XPR chips are already giving up too much contrast, they don't need to be giving up sharpness also.
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That will not be good. The 0.47 chip gives up some sharpness. The larger .67 chip looks very close to native 4K sharpness. These XPR chips are already giving up too much contrast, they don't need to be giving up sharpness also.
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Not much really. Both have the XPR .47 dmd both have a duel laser design. LG you get a tv tuner, probably a more stable android based ui, better video processing and the piece of mind knowing it’s warrantied by a well known manufacturer.
The Xiaomi isn't dual laser unfortunately. Dual laser is specific to a red and a blue laser where as the Xiaomi only utilizes a blue laser (not sure how they're claiming ALPD 3.0).

But you will also get much better color and color calibration from the LG than you'll ever get with the Xiaomi.

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