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bix26 12-21-2018 09:09 AM

LG HU85L 4K Ultra Short Throw Projector Announced.
 
Thanks to user @mnb posting this link on another thread. I thought I’d share, so others like me waiting to upgrade their UST to 4K might see this.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6ecef2b8e3.jpg

http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2018/12/ne...s-at-ces-2019/

JRock3x8 12-21-2018 09:35 AM

Is there a spec sheet on this yet? Conspicuous absence of HDR in the news release.


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LeQuack 12-21-2018 09:58 AM

Is it going to have the typical bad geometry image that other short throws exhibit?

bix26 12-21-2018 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LeQuack (Post 57307948)
Is it going to have the typical bad geometry image that other short throws exhibit?



From my reading and personal experience, very few people on this forum who have setup a UST with a proper screen have had issues with geometry. I’ve been following pretty much every UST thread for well over a year now. Also I have an inexpensive 1080p UST and have no issues either. It is true you have to have a perfectly flat screen or wall which is rarely the case unless you buy a screen specifically for a UST projector.

JRock3x8 12-21-2018 12:02 PM

Bix which one do you have?


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bix26 12-21-2018 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57308658)
Bix which one do you have?


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ViewSonic PX800HD. I moved to a new apartment and decided to buy it so I don’t have cables hanging on the ceiling.

JRock3x8 12-22-2018 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57310890)
ViewSonic PX800HD. I moved to a new apartment and decided to buy it so I don’t have cables hanging on the ceiling.



How is $1200 Low Cost?


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bix26 12-22-2018 09:29 AM

LG HU85L 4K Ultra Short Throw Projector Announced.
 
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Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57311192)
How is $1200 Low Cost?


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I picked up a refurbished one direct from ViewSonic’s Amazon store. For 25% less. Low cost relative to other ultra short throws.

Buddylee123 12-22-2018 09:33 AM

1200 is a lot of money but not when talking about projectors and especially UST projectors


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JRock3x8 12-22-2018 11:31 AM

LG HU85L 4K Ultra Short Throw Projector Announced.
 
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Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57312314)
I picked up a refurbished one direct from ViewSonic’s Amazon store. For 25% less. Low cost relative to other ultra short throws.



Ok that sounds more reasonable


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stumlad 12-22-2018 02:51 PM

I know they haven't released the specs so no one can give a definitive answer. But for those are are familiar with ultra short-throws.... is this expected to be a true 4K or e-shift? Are these things DLP, LCD? What kind of contrast can one expect from something like this. Any idea if these will be competitive with Sony or JVC offerings... ?

bix26 12-29-2018 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stumlad (Post 57313712)
I know they haven't released the specs so no one can give a definitive answer. But for those are are familiar with ultra short-throws.... is this expected to be a true 4K or e-shift? Are these things DLP, LCD? What kind of contrast can one expect from something like this. Any idea if these will be competitive with Sony or JVC offerings... ?



It will be “true 4k”, a term coined by Texas Instruments for DLP projectors that shift pixels 4x per frame to create a 4k image on the screen. This is nearly indistinguishable from native 4k in terms of resolution. “e-shift” is a term coined by JVC, it can only shift twice per frame to create a 2k image. This is still noticeably higher resolution than 1080p and noticeably less than 4k.

As far as contrast, it will almost certainly have substantially lower contrast than JVC and Sony. However UST projectors can be paired with UST specific screens that can enhance the contrast in ambient light. If you are setting this up in a living room with a proper UST screen it will likely have a much better picture than a JVC or Sony projector in the same environment.

So it’s not really fair to compare this with JVC or Sony. Those are designed for a home cinema where the LG is designed to replicate a very large tv.

bpassman 12-31-2018 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57307606)
Thanks to user @mnb posting this link on another thread. I thought I’d share, so others like me waiting to upgrade their UST to 4K might see this.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6ecef2b8e3.jpg

http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2018/12/ne...s-at-ces-2019/

I think this will replace my JVC RS500, I'm looking forward to UST getting better!

audioperfecto 01-01-2019 10:17 AM

Perhaps someone with the gen1 version of this answer - is this short throw projector box wall mountable ?

d3193 01-01-2019 10:56 AM

When i hear of single chip DLP I assume there will be the rainbow effect (which drives me crazy). Does laser illumination minimize (eliminate) rainbows?

bix26 01-01-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by d3193 (Post 57358752)
When i hear of single chip DLP I assume there will be the rainbow effect (which drives me crazy). Does laser illumination minimize (eliminate) rainbows?



So far laser based single chip dlp projectors have been a little more prone to RE. I am guessing this is due to having a phosphor wheel in addition to the colorwheel.

Dave-T 01-01-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57311192)
How is $1200 Low Cost?


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$1200 is chump change compared to what the Sony short throw cost which is $25,000.

JRock3x8 01-01-2019 01:11 PM

$1200 is NOT low cost


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bix26 01-01-2019 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57359408)
$1200 is NOT low cost


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You should consider context. A house that’s $100,000 would be considered low cost or affordable by most people, yet $100,000 is still a lot of money to most people.

pottscb 01-02-2019 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JRock3x8 (Post 57359408)
$1200 is NOT low cost


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$1200 is almost bottom of the barrel for UST pjs...this is where they start. Most are in the $3-5K range and some are $25K. Its about time someone came out with a 4K UST laser...shame on Optoma, BenQ, Viewsonic for letting an outsider show them up...bravo to LG. (seriously hope it has functional laser dimming). I don't think HDR is spec'd for projector HT use...I guess they could say its HDR but it wouldn't really be truthful. It's also less meaningful now that players like the Panasonic UB820 can tone map so well...makes my 5 y.o. JVC 4910 "HDR compatible" (with a Fury). I seriously hope it puts out >2000 lumens calibrated, that will be marvelous for daytime use (and helpful to drive lenticular ALR-UST screens).

sage11x 01-02-2019 07:55 AM

Thanks for sharing this, Mark, but I have a bone to pick with this post... :)


A 100" 16:9 screen is roughly 40% more screen area than an 85" 16:9 screen. And 100" is about the smallest screen size I see in the projector forum these days. Most projector owners are targeting 120" or larger screens-- massive screens of 140-160" are not uncommon especially now that bright 4K projectors have become (very) affordable. A 120" 16:9 screen is literally TWICE the size of an 85" flat panel.


The reason I'm pointing this out is I don't think front projection is "retreating" as you say. And I say this with the full admission that I am a VERY BIASED fan of front projection :) -- but my anecdotal experience is front projection is more popular than ever! Prices are falling, 4K projection is now fully mainstream, bulb life has tripled and competition is fiercer than ever. I'm seeing a lot of threads and PMs from novices who have never owned a projector before and are intrigued by the idea of adding a truly BIG screen to their home.

klimo 01-02-2019 08:50 AM

With the price of 80" tvs dropping drastically, I'm seeing less and less the need for the UST for living rooms.

I gotta guess that the need for 100" + screens in living rooms is not a huge market. Obviously, here on AVS, that market is different, but I certainly don't have a spot for a 100" screen in my living room.

If 1200$ isn't low cost for a 90" + 4k projector, I'm not sure what is? There is nothing in the 80" range for 500$. or close to it for that matter.

bix26 01-02-2019 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by klimo (Post 57363310)
With the price of 80" tvs dropping drastically, I'm seeing less and less the need for the UST for living rooms.



I gotta guess that the need for 100" + screens in living rooms is not a huge market. Obviously, here on AVS, that market is different, but I certainly don't have a spot for a 100" screen in my living room.



If 1200$ isn't low cost for a 90" + 4k projector, I'm not sure what is? There is nothing in the 80" range for 500$. or close to it for that matter.



Just too be fair $1,200 is the entry point for a 1080p UST projector. To be honest I feel that’s a hefty premium over a standard 1080p projectors with similar quality that can be found for less than $700. If you need a UST then $1,200 is still the most affordable. 4k UST projectors imo, should cost about the same as a top of the line 85” tv. This would be a fair trade off of size vs quality. I’m guessing that’s exactly how much this LG will cost, just under $3,000 about the same price as their large oled tv’s and about the price of their uh80ka.

pottscb 01-03-2019 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bix26 (Post 57363606)
Just too be fair $1,200 is the entry point for a 1080p UST projector. To be honest I feel that’s a hefty premium over a standard 1080p projectors with similar quality that can be found for less than $700. If you need a UST then $1,200 is still the most affordable. 4k UST projectors imo, should cost about the same as a top of the line 85” tv. This would be a fair trade off of size vs quality. I’m guessing that’s exactly how much this LG will cost, just under $3,000 about the same price as their large oled tv’s and about the price of their uh80ka.

I seriously hope you are right about the price. My fear is that the laser light source will make this MSRP $3K or more as there isn't currently anything in the US below that (and nothing UST-laser-4K)...as this will kind of be the second of its kind to market they could charge this and people would buy it. I think Sony's UST at $25K is the only other one...LG doesn't strike me as the money-grabbing type but at least this will motivate Optoma, BenQ, Epson, Viewsonic, Dell, etc. to stop messing around and get serious about 4K, UST-laser (and getting competitive on pricing).

the7mcs 01-04-2019 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-T (Post 57358942)
$1200 is chump change compared to what the Sony short throw cost which is $25,000.

Is the $1200 the price of the projector or just the screen that the other dude was talking about?

Dave-T 01-04-2019 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by the7mcs (Post 57376678)
Is the $1200 the price of the projector or just the screen that the other dude was talking about?

I am pretty sure he was talking about a $1200.00 projector. The screen that Sony recommendsI was told for their short throw is a Screen Innovations Zero Edge made for short throws which is $3000 I think. So regardless if the OP was talking about a screen for $1200 still chump change.

here is the projector theOP is talking about it is selling for $1391.96 so he got a deal on it for $1200
https://parkway.digital/viewsonic-788441.html

dugbug 01-05-2019 10:09 AM

Is 2500 lumens enough for an ambient lit room and a grey screen?

cubsfan 01-06-2019 01:10 PM

anybody going to CES that can give everyone a report on this projector ?

oni222 01-07-2019 12:01 PM

If this puppy is true 4K and uses HDMI 2.1 then I am one happy camper.
I currently use XIAOMI UST laser projector and I love but I would rather go with a real 4K projector and the gamer in me would appreciate the HDMI 2.1 variable sync rate features for future consoles.

cubsfan 01-07-2019 07:28 PM



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