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Agreed. My 990 had deeper blacks but i can live with the 3000. But i think i have a busted DI anyways so thay might be a factor


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I also judge some of it by turn on. The black background coming into the JVC logo. Rs600 was black around the JVC blending into velvet around screen. You can definitely see the screen now.

Given the influx of hdr content and how bright it seems, it’s a step up imo. My wife said ‘I never was obsessed with the deep blacks like you, what you have now is an amazingly bright and sharp picture.’
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Official JVC RS3000/NX9 - JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 - JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 - Owners Thread

Well, decide for yourself. First pic is with pixel align on. Second is off. I can’t notice this in real world content. Not even in lucy. But now i know it’s there. :-( lol. Also, my iphone sensor seems to really exagerate it. It’s not as bad as in the pics.

Fine adjustment only and zone adjustment.

Also, Ignore the weird curves you see throughout the pattern. It’s the camera sensor.
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Is it possible the NX9 is the only model that with Dynamic Iris noise and the NX7 is OK? does anyone have an NX9 that does not have dynamic iris noise?
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Is it possible the NX9 is the only model that with Dynamic Iris noise and the NX7 is OK? does anyone have an NX9 that does not have dynamic iris noise?
My RS3000 has no DI noise at all.

In fact, the DI is virtually transparent. I haven't seen pumping or having any issues.

What I have noticed is the dramatic black level increase over my Sony 385. Wow!
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Is it possible the NX9 is the only model that with Dynamic Iris noise and the NX7 is OK? does anyone have an NX9 that does not have dynamic iris noise?
A lot of people have RS3000/NX9's without iris noise.
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My RS3000 has no DI noise at all.

In fact, the DI is virtually transparent. I haven't seen pumping or having any issues.
Same, no noise and in SDR content it's transparent, it seems to be slower for me in HDR though but maybe the black level is raised more in the movies I've tested (like I've heard mentioned here Intersetallar is).

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Its great to hear there are plenty of units with no DI noise, both NX-7 and NX-9. Makes me confident my replacment NX-7 (N7) will be ok. I am still very curious to know if the NX-7 and NX-9 share the same iris?
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Enrico, keep me posted on if it looks better with it off.
WOW... Went to service menu, item 21 on Display Sub Menu and changed it from 1 to 0 and here is the result:

With Zone Convergence ON:



With Zone Convergence OFF:



The color shift is basically gone. The photo does not make any justice showing what is suppose to be black and white, it is really black and white now. Thanks to @Kris Deering and @Javs for the recommendation on turning it OFF
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WOW... Went to service menu, item 21 on Display Sub Menu and changed it from 1 to 0 and here is the result:



The color shift is basically gone. The photo does not make any justice showing what is suppose to be black and white, it is really black and white now. Thanks to @Kris Deering and @Javs for the recommendation on turning it OFF
Convinced my friend who owns the 760ES to try this and the difference was staggering..... Also the QBF pattern is crazy sharp!
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Convinced my friend who owns the 760ES to try this and the difference was staggering..... Also the QBF pattern is crazy sharp!
Not to mention that I had a little bit of banding during some scenes and now the banding is totally gone for good. Best recommendation ever and something that any Sony projector owner should definitely do.
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Finally stopped wetting the bed after some of the first reports

My RS3000 arrived on Monday, but I didn't have all my ducks in a row regarding lining up everything I wanted to test during the limited return time. Today I set it up on a work bench to do some of that evaluation, and have only put two hours on it. With the final two hours I want to now take down my RS600 and hang this to ensure everything is perfect when inverted.

My screen is 120" wide 2.37:1 v6 material (0.84 gain). I do have a DCR lens, but so far I've not used it with the RS3000. On the RS600 I used the Radiance to tone map, but disabled this and both CMS so that it was in pass through. Initial thoughts/findings:

- Styrofoam was intact.

- Just needed 1 pixel for red alignment at 16:9. Zoomed to scope, I needed to add 1 pixel to blue too.

- Default mode was Natural with eShift enabled, MPC at 5/2/0 and Motion Enhance on Low. I think CMD was on Low too. I set MPC to 0/0/0, Low Lag On, and disabled Motion Enhance (this remains available with Low Lag)

- JVC didn't do a basic calibration as part of the extra QC it seems. Faces were zombie like, and I confirmed with my Discus/Calman that 30% had way too much green and 100% way too much red. I normalized those, and things looked good by eye to leave for now.

- eShift is fuzzy and buzzes as reported. Interestingly it remains active when using lens control with the built in test pattern, which I don't recall from the RS600. One reason for my upgrade was to remove the buzz.

- Low lamp is maybe a bit louder than my 600, but currently it's 4' closer.

- High lamp was way too loud for me. If as woofer measured it is quieter than medium laser on the RS4500, I would need a hush box for the RS4500. The only one I've seen was mounted in a projection closest and so imparted no noise into the room.

- Heat output from the front, even on low lamp, feels significantly greater than the RS600.

- I haven't noticed any streaking yet, but haven't gone looking for it yet. I did notice the Lumagen menus were much sharper than the RS600 (white on dark blue)

- Very bright, even in low lamp! I took measurements with my $30 Dr Meter, which is only about ~3% out when I measured a 100 IRE pattern on the Sony 995ES at Kris Deerings. All measurements are iris open on manual, zoomed to scope (10' wide) from ~ 14'6" throw.
RS600 on low lamp = 200, 189 with the filter. RS3000 = 308, 250 with filter - same 18% drop as Ekk measured.

- To get the closest to brightness match to my RS600, which for SDR I use at low -1 (around 17fL), I had to use low -6 which gave me 18fL. At -7 it went below 16fL. When I add the DCR, I'll be able to crank the iris down even more and not have lamp aging concerns. My RS600 lamp has retained good brightness after 1000 hours.

- Haven't heard the DI, and real material was tested in Auto 2.

- Very calm, clear, deep image. Similar qualities to the RS4500 and 995ES that I've seen recently. When I spoke with Kris he thought the lens quality was a major reason for their look.

- Black levels with content look very good. I tested some scenes, like SDR Interstellar 53:30 and Rogue One, and both looked excellent.For HDR I tried the Koren car chase scene (and the one after in the CIA cell) in Black Panther. I had to push up Picture Tone up a lot due to my low gain screen, but color looked phenomenal such as the purple energy hits in his suit. Very like the RS4500/Lumagen/DCR/ST100 combo I saw, and I was still in low lamp. With the DCR and Radiance there should be lots of room for further improvement.

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Once you go black...

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WOW... Went to service menu, item 21 on Display Sub Menu and changed it from 1 to 0 and here is the result:

With Zone Convergence ON:



With Zone Convergence OFF:



The color shift is basically gone. The photo does not make any justice showing what is suppose to be black and white, it is really black and white now. Thanks to @Kris Deering and @Javs for the recommendation on turning it OFF

Good stuff!
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My RS3000 arrived on Monday, but I didn't have all my ducks in a row regarding lining up everything I wanted to test during the limited return time. Today I set it up on a work bench to do some of that evaluation, and have only put two hours on it. With the final two hours I want to now take down my RS600 and hang this to ensure everything is perfect when inverted.

My screen is 120" wide 2.37:1 v6 material (0.84 gain). I do have a DCR lens, but so far I've not used it with the RS3000. On the RS600 I used the Radiance to tone map, but disabled this and both CMS so that it was in pass through. Initial thoughts/findings:

- Styrofoam was intact.

- Just needed 1 pixel for red alignment at 16:9. Zoomed to scope, I needed to add 1 pixel to blue too.

- Default mode was Natural with eShift enabled, MPC at 5/2/0 and Motion Enhance on Low. I think CMD was on Low too. I set MPC to 0/0/0, Low Lag On, and disabled Motion Enhance (this remains available with Low Lag)

- JVC didn't do a basic calibration as part of the extra QC it seems. Faces were zombie like, and I confirmed with my Discus/Calman that 30% had way too much green and 100% way too much red. I normalized those, and things looked good by eye to leave for now.

- eShift is fuzzy and buzzes as reported. Interestingly it remains active when using lens control with the built in test pattern, which I don't recall from the RS600. One reason for my upgrade was to remove the buzz.

- Low lamp is maybe a bit louder than my 600, but currently it's 4' closer.

- High lamp was way too loud for me. If as woofer measured it is quieter than medium laser on the RS4500, I would need a hush box for the RS4500. The only one I've seen was mounted in a projection closest and so imparted no noise into the room.

- Heat output from the front, even on low lamp, feels significantly greater than the RS600.

- I haven't noticed any streaking yet, but haven't gone looking for it yet. I did notice the Lumagen menus were much sharper than the RS600 (white on dark blue)

- Very bright, even in low lamp! I took measurements with my $30 Dr Meter, which is only about ~3% out when I measured a 100 IRE pattern on the Sony 995ES at Kris Deerings. All measurements are iris open on manual, zoomed to scope (10' wide) from ~ 14'6" throw.
RS600 on low lamp = 200, 189 with the filter. RS3000 = 308, 250 with filter - same 18% drop as Ekk measured.

- To get the closest to brightness match to my RS600, which for SDR I use at low -1 (around 17fL), I had to use low -6 which gave me 18fL. At -7 it went below 16fL. When I add the DCR, I'll be able to crank the iris down even more and not have lamp aging concerns. My RS600 lamp has retained good brightness after 1000 hours.

- Haven't heard the DI, and real material was tested in Auto 2.

- Very calm, clear, deep image. Similar qualities to the RS4500 and 995ES that I've seen recently. When I spoke with Kris he thought the lens quality was a major reason for their look.

- Black levels with content look very good. I tested some scenes, like SDR Interstellar 53:30 and Rogue One, and both looked excellent.For HDR I tried the Koren car chase scene (and the one after in the CIA cell) in Black Panther. I had to push up Picture Tone up a lot due to my low gain screen, but color volume looked phenomenal. Very like the RS4500 I saw, and I was still in low lamp. With the DCR and Radiance there should be lots of room for further improvement.

Here are some QBF take on a tripod with my phone.

Top left


Bottom left


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Center
Sounds like a good unit David! Let me know when I can come by and see it!

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Gee those QBF patterns are getting a work out now. Good stuff. Keep it coming.

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Once you go black...

... you know how it goes.
Tonight I loaded the original Blade Runner UHD HDR 4K version into the UB820. I turned off the HDR optimizer and just fed the JVC RS3000 a straight stream of HDR10 metadata.

The auto tone mapping nailed that atmosphere for that movie. Not too dark, plenty of color pop and great black levels. That opening scene of the Tyrell Building with flames shooting up around it, almost made me crap my pants. It was down right spectacular.

I have a used Sony 385 for sale if anyone is interested. I have no need for it anymore.
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Reading all these Peerless UNV bracket unstable issues has me worried since I spent a bit importing the Peerless round ceiling plate, extension pole, and the Peerless PRG-UNV bracket in anticipation for the NX7. How can they rate it to a weight it can’t support without introducing slight movement.

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- JVC didn't do a basic calibration as part of the extra QC it seems. Faces were zombie like, and I confirmed with my Discus/Calman that 30% had way too much green and 100% way too much red. I normalized those, and things looked good by eye to leave for now.


Is your Discus profiled? 30% is much!

What type of screen do you have.
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What I meant was at 30 IRE there was too much green. This was obvious by eye, as when I first turned on the system the local news was on and the presenters' faces had a significant green cast. I already had the Discus plugged in, warming up in case I needed it. If by eye it looked ok, I wouldn't have bothered measuring/correcting though. I didn't reprofile the meter and just used the same profile I'd previously taken against the RS600 with my i1Pro2. Much better than without fixing 30/100, and I'll recheck properly later once I'm 100% keeping it. I'm only 99.9% there

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What I meant was at 30 IRE there was too much green. This was obvious by eye, as when I first turned on the system the local news was on and the presenters' faces had a significant green cast. I already had the Discus plugged in, warming up in case I needed it. If by eye it looked ok, I wouldn't have bothered measuring/correcting though. I didn't reprofile the meter and just used the same profile I'd previously taken against the RS600 with my i1Pro2. Much better than without fixing 30/100, and I'll recheck properly later once I'm 100% keeping it. I'm only 99.9% there

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Is it possible the NX9 is the only model that with Dynamic Iris noise and the NX7 is OK? does anyone have an NX9 that does not have dynamic iris noise?
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In fact, the DI is virtually transparent. I haven't seen pumping or having any issues.

What I have noticed is the dramatic black level increase over my Sony 385. Wow!
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Same, no noise and in SDR content it's transparent, it seems to be slower for me in HDR though but maybe the black level is raised more in the movies I've tested (like I've heard mentioned here Intersetallar is).

Same here over my Sony 675
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Its great to hear there are plenty of units with no DI noise, both NX-7 and NX-9. Makes me confident my replacment NX-7 (N7) will be ok. I am still very curious to know if the NX-7 and NX-9 share the same iris?
Yup. There is no DI noise at all with my first RS3000/NX9 unit either!

Therefore, so far it is looking like for the majority of units this is a non-issue...

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Hey Nigel,

Is there any news on when the N7 is likely to land in the UK please? Got a 7 year-old JVC X30 in need of replacement, & the N7 would fit the bill nicely

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Looks like my NX9 will arrive to me tomorrow in NZ, Im going from an X9900. I hope I have good things to report!
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Tonight I loaded the original Blade Runner UHD HDR 4K version into the UB820. I turned off the HDR optimizer and just fed the JVC RS3000 a straight stream of HDR10 metadata.

The auto tone mapping nailed that atmosphere for that movie. Not too dark, plenty of color pop and great black levels. That opening scene of the Tyrell Building with flames shooting up around it, almost made me crap my pants. It was down right spectacular.

I have a used Sony 385 for sale if anyone is interested. I have no need for it anymore.
Given you have the setup it would be interesting to hear your subjective feedback regarding which out of the Panasonic's and the JVC's auto-tone-mapping you like better. Can you switch between the two and let us know what you think?

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I have just been informed by JVC that I will be receiving my first JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 unit next Thursday 31st January... and then further units of all models "shortly thereafter"

So it won't be long now before I can crack on with further in-depth analysis, evaluations, and direct comparisons between models


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UPDATE:

I have just been informed by JVC that I will be receiving my first JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 unit next Thursday 31st January... and then further units of all models "shortly thereafter"

So it won't be long now before I can crack on with further in-depth analysis, evaluations, and direct comparisons between models [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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Was that from JVC UK?
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Was that from JVC UK?
Yes [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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UPDATE:

I have just been informed by JVC that I will be receiving my first JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 unit next Thursday 31st January... and then further units of all models "shortly thereafter"

So it won't be long now before I can crack on with further in-depth analysis, evaluations, and direct comparisons between models

Ok, where are all these US RS2000's? Sounds like they are shipping many more NX7's before the RS2000?
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