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The 9900's I had here, and others I have seen posted around, they all seemed to have a real issue with the right hand side of the screen assuming shelf mounted. Left would be stellar, right would start drifting.
Same here, in a ceiling mount set up, my problem area was lower left, so a very consistent problem.
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Interesting. Can you capture a photo of what the JVC HDR stuff says it is seeing and doing with respect to the auto mapping controls at, say, 13m25 and 13m35 on that episode?

As far as I can tell the metadata update happens mid scene so it will be interesting to know if at that metadata change the changes are enough to trigger a change in map or not. It would be very clever indeed if it was waiting for a scene change to apply the new metadata, but a very good idea. But also perhaps if the algorithm is biased to maxFALL there is no update to the map at that point if as you say the maxFALL data is more sensible than maxCLL.
With a bit of searching I was able to find another scene in that same episode of Iron Fist (season 1 episode 3) that does trigger a perceptible luminance change though if you blink you'll miss it. It happens around the 16:30 mark where the max FALL jumps from 14 to 56 nits and it does cause a tone mapping change that resembles a DI pumping a little bit but it happens even if the DI is off. So there are circumstances where the fluctuating HDR10 metadata on the Apple TV will be visible though I don't want to overstate this. A lot of the flat panel TV's have tone mapping on HDR and ABL that causes luminance fluctuations that are worse than this.
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JVC RS3000/NX9

IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND EVALUATION | UNIT # 1


UPDATE #6 | QUICK BROWN FOX TEST PATTERN (FULL SET OF PHOTOS)

TOP LEFT:


TOP MIDDLE:


TOP RIGHT:


CENTRE LEFT:


CENTRE CENTRE:


CENTRE RIGHT:


BOTTOM LEFT:


BOTTOM MIDDLE:


BOTTOM RIGHT:



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Nigel, you are a mad man!

Thanks for your herculean effort.

You're gonna have nx9s in your dreams tonight instead of sheep.
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Nigel, you are a mad man! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Thanks for your herculean effort.

You're gonna have nx9s in your dreams tonight instead of sheep.
If you think the people on this board are going to let him sleep without taking contrast and ANSI measurements... 🙂
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See this is really interesting now...

CENTRE LEFT



CENTRE CENTRE



CENTER RIGHT



Notice anything?

Which is better

I think this is just down to sample variance rather than a larger underlying issue. As in, its a non-issue where the wide range of units is concerned.

As was said, no projector is perfect with this, I am satisfied that the left image is how its meant to look in the bigger picture of things.
Newbie question. Could this be the camera shutter speed capturing the video projection in mid-flight? Could that affect the photo result? Or is it possible the screen material isn't perfect and could have a surface difference in these locations? I know my tab tensioned screen is not perfectly flat. It has puckers. I don't mind since while viewing movies and TV programs, it doesn't make a huge difference. But it would make a difference in a static camera photo of running video.

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Hey are you guys letting these new "cold" projectors acclimate to your rooms before you plug them in? I know it is recommended with any high-end audio gear. Especially amps that heat up a lot. I believe at least 24 hours is recommended and more if you can wait that long. You could be creating humidity inside of those expensive projectors. If the boxes have been sitting in a cold warehouse or UPS truck, they could have quite varying climatic conditions. My two cents.

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If I am having problems sleeping I just repeat over and over to myself "The quick brown fox jumped over lazy dog".. And I'm out..

Happy for those that are getting their shiny new toys. And man three new units have some girth! You don't want to drop one of the bad boys on your foot...
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my goodness ! it makes the previous gen JVC look like a TOY
OMG!!! Are the RS2000/N7 and RS1000/N5 the same size as the RS3000/NX9??? That thing is huge!

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I would love to hear some thoughts from the owners of the NX7's with regards to image uniformity, contrast, etc...
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IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND EVALUATION | UNIT # 1


UPDATE #6 | QUICK BROWN FOX TEST PATTERN (FULL SET OF PHOTOS)
Nigel - Thanks for all the photos. Have you calibrated yet? If not, please do so before taking measurements. Also please let us know how well the JVC autocal software works. Can you please take the following lumens measurements when you have a chance?

1. Lamp high, iris wide open (0), BT2020 color filter NOT in place, @D65 : Measured lumens from short, mid, and long zoom. Zoom set for 16:9 picture.
2. Lamp high, iris wide open (0), BT2020 color filter NOT in place, @D65 : Measured lumens from short, mid, and long zoom. Zoom set for 2.40 picture, assuming you have a
scoped screen, if not please simulate the needed zoom and measure.
3. Lamp low, iris wide open (0), BT2020 color filter NOT in place, @D65 : Measured lumens from short, mid, and long zoom. Zoom set for 16:9 picture.
4. What % lumens drop when putting the BT2020 color filter in place?

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OMG!!! Are the RS2000/N7 and RS1000/N5 the same size as the RS3000/NX9??? That thing is huge! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]
Re-read the label on the box- that IS the RS2000/N7!
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Apart from test patterns, how is the picture compared to last years model given the lower contrast?
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Nigel - Thanks for all the photos. Have you calibrated yet? If not, please do so before taking measurements. Also please let us know how well the JVC autocal software works. Can you please take the following lumens measurements when you have a chance?

1. Lamp high, iris wide open (0), BT2020 color filter NOT in place, @D65 : Measured lumens from short, mid, and long zoom. Zoom set for 16:9 picture.
2. Lamp high, iris wide open (0), BT2020 color filter NOT in place, @D65 : Measured lumens from short, mid, and long zoom. Zoom set for 2.40 picture, assuming you have a
scoped screen, if not please simulate the needed zoom and measure.
3. Lamp low, iris wide open (0), BT2020 color filter NOT in place, @D65 : Measured lumens from short, mid, and long zoom. Zoom set for 16:9 picture.
4. What % lumens drop when putting the BT2020 color filter in place?

Thanks!

You definitely shouldn't need to run Autocal out of the box... It should be close enough to spec, and only need a few clicks here and there in the CMS to be quite well measuring at D65...
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Re-read the label on the box- that IS the RS2000/N7!
Holy crap, it is!!! With all of the talk about the NX9 I just thought that's what it was. I looked at the picture but not close enough. That thing is a monster!!!!

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I would love to hear some thoughts from the owners of the NX7's with regards to image uniformity, contrast, etc...
I received my NX7 late this afternoon and after a warm-up period I did some checking on the usual problem areas for a new projector:

1. Stuck Pixels - can't find a single one.
2. RGB Convergence - nearly perfect. There is a very slight convergence error in the blue channel on the far right hand side. You need to be within 2 feet of the screen to see it on a convergence test pattern. It's not visible on normal content at all.
3. Bright corners - there is a vague sense that the corners are a bit lighter than the centre after your eyes have adjusted to the darkness.
4. Overall on/off contrast seems comparable to my X750.
5. Build quality is high. The new chassis is solid.

Problems: so far only one. The dynamic iris skews the gamma so it looks like a solarized picture with blown highlights. This is most evident on SDR content but I see some of it on HDR as well. I believe 'woofer' had this issue on a preproduction NX9 and it was resolved through a firmware update. It's likely this fix was not ready for release at the time the first production machines were shipped. The native contrast is very good so I just disabled the dynamic iris for the time being.

Highlights: the HDR performance with auto tone mapping is really good. It's finally a plug and play solution without requiring custom curves and the need to manually switch curves based on content. There may be some limitations based on missing and/or incorrect metadata but I've gotten good results with all of the HDR10 streaming and UHD blu-rays I've tried so far. I don't have any HLG sources to evaluate that aspect.
The fan is very quiet on low lamp and the noise level is acceptable to me on high lamp.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the performance of the NX7. The image is extremely sharp without the use of edge enhancement and appears very natural. Contrast levels are good and typical of what we expect from a JVC. The performance on 1080P SDR material is as good as the preceding models which were considered to be best in their class. I feel the new models are now best in their class for 4K HDR as well.

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Wonderful news on the RS2000 front- thank you!
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Overall, I'm very pleased with the performance of the NX7.
Do you notice the occasional lamp flicker from time to time as seen in the last year(s) models?
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Mee too! Suffice to say I will not be sleeping tonight until after this is done. This just finishing up with QBF then these measurements next

Nigel do you also have an NX7 on hand?
It would be intersting to see if the "Fox" is any sharper without any e-shift in the light path...

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Nigel do you also have an NX7 on hand?
It would be intersting to see if the "Fox"...
I will be evaluating a total of 5 UNITS of each and every of the NX9, N7, and N5... At the present time I have just received 1 number NX9. I should be receiving N7 and N5 very soon. I will be carrying out the same evaluations with each and every model


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Serial number of the first RS3000 shipped in US is 17340007. December build.
I was going to post my serial number, too, and realized that’s mine!

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Holy crap, it is!!! With all of the talk about the NX9 I just thought that's what it was. I looked at the picture but not close enough. That thing is a monster!!!!
Apparently JVC didn't want to have different cases for the NX5 and NX7 than for the NX9, so they sized it for the much bigger lens in the NX9. If you pick up each, though, you'll know which is which. The NX9 weighs almost 5 lbs (2 kg) more than the NX5/NX7.

All of them are heavy, though. Even the NX5/NX7 weighs almost 10 lbs more than previous models.
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BruceJK- How is the upscaling for non 4K sources please? Is there any noise introduced in the image? How is the motion processing on it?
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do you guys listen to single frequency test tones to tell what a speaker sounds like?
Yes. And especially for my subwoofers.
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Absolutely agree..

My opinion is it also adds to image noise..
I didn’t see any noise when I enabled 8K, but I noticed no real difference at 10 feet from my 110 inch screen. I flipped back and forth and would never be able to guess whether or not 8K was enabled if it were a blind test. Well... I guess if I were blind, I wouldn’t be able to tell anyway. Actually I might have because there is a very slight whine that comes from the projector when it is engaged. It isn’t really an issue, though.

In any event, I don’t see any reason I’ll ever enable 8K. But I didn’t buy the 3000 it for that, anyway. I just wanted the best brightness, contrast and lens.

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Holy crap, it is!!! With all of the talk about the NX9 I just thought that's what it was. I looked at the picture but not close enough. That thing is a monster!!!!
oh yeah.... these things are big ! not so obvious until a side by side was posted

there isnt much in it size difference n9 to n7/5 though like previous series pretty much share chasis. n9 just has a touch poking out front with the lens I see. but yeah the new series are the He-Man version compared to previous gen
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I will be evaluating a total of 5 UNITS of each and every of the NX9, N7, and N5... At the present time I have just received 1 number NX9. I should be receiving N7 and N5 very soon. I will be carrying out the same evaluations with each and every model
Thats the way to do it, no unit variation.......what the size of the NX9 box in inches
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Does anyone care? It will probably be all but unusable... :-p
I care. If I cant use it in dynamic iris mode I'm out.
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