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Interesting, so if that is the case of a difference in chip yields then you really have no idea what you are getting except minimum allowed performance. If the new chips have a good yield there may not be large differences possibly.
I guess the counter to that is where the top tier projector from prior generations that supposedly had hand selected parts did not always perform as such.
Indeed. In fact, the "bright corners" phenomenon is, it seems, an artifact that arises from the stated contrast not being uniform across the chip. So while I can close my iris fully and measure over 130,000:1 in the centre of the screen, towards the edges of the screen you can only actually measure 20,000:1. It seems JVC can't offer any guarantee of performance with relation to bright corners. Nor in fairness can Sony - but I believe it is more noticeable for JVC because the difference between the center and the edges is I believe larger (not seen anyone measure contrast across the screen on a Sony before)
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There is indeed some yellowish tint on white subtitles against a black backdrop whenever I invoke the projector on screen menu layer. But once I exit the menu, the yellow tint is gone and back to white. I’m not sure whether that counts? Take note I have experience or come across yellow tint on the white subtitles during normal movie playback.
So you have a reverse issue - when the Menu comes on you get yellow tint, and when it goes away there is no Yellow tint? In normal movie playback e.g. numbers in Lucy, or even Netflix splash page which is red over black, the colors dont look washed out?

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So you have a reverse issue - when the Menu comes on you get yellow tint, and when it goes away there is no Yellow tint? In normal movie playback e.g. numbers in Lucy, or even Netflix splash page which is red over black, the colors dont look washed out?



Are you using DI?

The Netflix splash logo (red against black backdrop) don’t look washout at all.

Yes. DI set to Auto 1.


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I started a new thread, but I realize most people are just following this thread, as I am. I've tried to shorten this version of the post.

Ordered a JVC DLA-NX7 a week ago, still have 1-2 wk to wait. Now I'm wondering, should I have spent more for the RS3000/NX9 OR saved money and gotten the RS1000/NX5? I'm looking for the best bang for the buck.

1. RS3000/NX9 owners: value is subjective, but what made you buy the RS3000/DLA-NX9 for thousands more than the RS2000/DLA-NX7? I want the best blacks and HDR possible, but is that worth $6-8K more? (I have a 156" scope screen so I need a lot of light).

2. RS2000/NX7 owners: I read that the NX7 and NX5 are equal in brightness AND both have DI. Is the NX7's higher CR noticeable? Or should I get the NX5 and spend the savings on an anamorphic lens (obviously not the $8K Panamorph DCR)?

Thanks in advance.
You can get a NX7 with the DCR lens for what you would pay for the NX9 or I should say I did at least. Got a great deal on the DCR. My RS2000(NX7) is being delivered tomorrow and the lens next week.....I think I will like it a lot more and the lens will last several projectors.

Edit: Whoo Who just found out it is sitting at UPS for me to pick up today....Now do people really need their tax returns done? I mean the government has enough money right? Full day but I will find a way to sneak out to get it. Good thing we own this place.
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2. RS2000/NX7 owners: I read that the NX7 and NX5 are equal in brightness AND both have DI. Is the NX7's higher CR noticeable? Or should I get the NX5 and spend the savings on an anamorphic lens (obviously not the $8K Panamorph DCR)?
My RS2000 will be arriving at my home on Wednesday. No one has directly compared an RS2000 to an RS1000 yet so we are still going on specs. For me it came down to the incremental cost vs promised features. At preorder pricing the difference between them was a fair bit less than the $2k difference in MSRP. For that I looked forward to:

Higher contrast
This is the main factor for me and why I'm going with JVC to begin with. There are cheaper, brighter options out there if I didn't care about contrast or black level.

Lamp iris
In my room I'll be at minimum throw with a scope screen in a black/dark gray room and when I zoom out for 100" diagonal 16:9 SDR content like TV shows and video games I don't want to sear my retinas. I'd rather bring the brightness down to ~15fl and have great contrast/blacks.

Slightly higher lumens spec
This may end up being marketing only and not a true spec difference. As pointed out earlier, lamp-to-lamp differences can exceed 100 lumens easily so I'm not counting on it being much brighter but I do expect that at any point in the process where there *might* be a brightness difference the benefit will go to the RS2000 (see "binning" below)

Color filter
With the brightness hit there's a good chance I'll never actually use this for content but I do want to have a better sense of what perceptible difference wider gamut coverage provides so that I can make an informed decision on future purchases where this may be a factor. And there's a chance there will be a point where the tradeoff in brightness might be worth it - such as *after* I have obtained a DCR lens.

Binning(?)
There's the chance that the components shared between the RS1000/RS2000 will be binned. This is complete speculation on my part and I don't think there's any way we can ever know if it's happening, but *if* it happens, I wanted to be on the side of the spec that benefits from it.

So it came down to a handful of features that seemed potentially beneficial for an incremental increase in cost. It was higher than my original budget but not so high that I couldn't manage it and I felt I would regret not getting as much as I could possibly afford in a projector that I expect to use for years. I did not go with an RS3000 because it would have been twice again as much for few significant improvements. I do plan to get a DCR at some point down the road.
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For just a 100" screen, which one should I go with?
All of them will work great on a 100" screen. The RS2000 is - to me - the value leader here(see my previous post). The lamp iris will help control the brightness on a smaller screen.
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JVC NX7 Auto Iris Yellowing issue

As I posted earlier, my NX7 has been having issue of adding yellow tint to content whenever Auto iris is engaged.

I took a series of picture with Manual and Auto iris (which I also sent to JVC).

This yellowing only happens when Auto Iris is engaged - at differenr settings of Manual Iris there is no yellow.


This cant be normal - has to be a defect right?
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As I posted earlier, my NX7 has been having issue of adding yellow tint to content whenever Auto iris is engaged.

I took a series of picture with Manual and Auto iris (which I also sent to JVC).

This yellowing only happens when Auto Iris is engaged - at differenr settings of Manual Iris there is no yellow.


This cant be normal - has to be a defect right?
It's not normal but I don't think it's hardware issue. I'm not an expert but there is nothing on the iris mechanical system that can add yellow tint to the white. Most likely is a bug on the software.

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I started a new thread, but I realize most people are just following this thread, as I am. I've tried to shorten this version of the post.

Ordered a JVC DLA-NX7 a week ago, still have 1-2 wk to wait. Now I'm wondering, should I have spent more for the RS3000/NX9 OR saved money and gotten the RS1000/NX5? I'm looking for the best bang for the buck.

1. RS3000/NX9 owners: value is subjective, but what made you buy the RS3000/DLA-NX9 for thousands more than the RS2000/DLA-NX7? I want the best blacks and HDR possible, but is that worth $6-8K more? (I have a 156" scope screen so I need a lot of light).

2. RS2000/NX7 owners: I read that the NX7 and NX5 are equal in brightness AND both have DI. Is the NX7's higher CR noticeable? Or should I get the NX5 and spend the savings on an anamorphic lens (obviously not the $8K Panamorph DCR)?

Thanks in advance.
All good questions. I went with the RS1000 and bought the mid-range Paladin. Paladin is not attached because in my room I need to ceiling mount the JVC to use it; I am waiting on mount hardware so I can't comment on it yet.

Blacks on RS1000 are not as impressive as the RS500 I am flipping, but they aren't bad either. (I think am not as nutty for deeps blacks as most who frequent this forum). I use MadVR for movies and I am a happy camper. Not sure I could spot the difference in color gamut unless someone pointed it out in a side-by-side scenario.

Between buyers remorse and confirmation bias buying a projector sight unseen is a crap shoot anyway.
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It's not normal but I don't think it's hardware issue. I'm not an expert but there is nothing on the iris mechanical system that can add yellow tint to the white. Most likely is a bug on the software.
Does JVC use a dynamic gamma adjustment along with the dynamic iris adjustment? Could gamma possibly cause issues similar to this if the gamma was not calibrated properly?
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Does JVC use a dynamic gamma adjustment along with the dynamic iris adjustment? Could gamma possibly cause issues similar to this if the gamma was not calibrated properly?
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I started a new thread, but I realize most people are just following this thread, as I am. I've tried to shorten this version of the post.

Ordered a JVC DLA-NX7 a week ago, still have 1-2 wk to wait. Now I'm wondering, should I have spent more for the RS3000/NX9 OR saved money and gotten the RS1000/NX5? I'm looking for the best bang for the buck.

1. RS3000/NX9 owners: value is subjective, but what made you buy the RS3000/DLA-NX9 for thousands more than the RS2000/DLA-NX7? I want the best blacks and HDR possible, but is that worth $6-8K more? (I have a 156" scope screen so I need a lot of light).

2. RS2000/NX7 owners: I read that the NX7 and NX5 are equal in brightness AND both have DI. Is the NX7's higher CR noticeable? Or should I get the NX5 and spend the savings on an anamorphic lens (obviously not the $8K Panamorph DCR)?

Thanks in advance.
If you are considering the RS3000, have a 156" scope screen, and need as much light as possible ( don't we all ? ), you might be better off with an NX7 / RS2000 and a Panamorph Paladin DCR lens ( they aren't $8K street from dealers ). You will have more nits / lumens on the screen than with just an RS3000, for the same cost or less than just an RS3000. Just FYI.
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As I posted earlier, my NX7 has been having issue of adding yellow tint to content whenever Auto iris is engaged.



I took a series of picture with Manual and Auto iris (which I also sent to JVC).



This yellowing only happens when Auto Iris is engaged - at differenr settings of Manual Iris there is no yellow.





This cant be normal - has to be a defect right?


This is exactly what happens with my unit. Even after running a gamma only calibration with autocal and a spyder 5 pro. Also on 1.20. It happens in both sdr and hdr patterns. I’m going to inform my dealer about this.


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As I posted earlier, my NX7 has been having issue of adding yellow tint to content whenever Auto iris is engaged.

I took a series of picture with Manual and Auto iris (which I also sent to JVC).

This yellowing only happens when Auto Iris is engaged - at differenr settings of Manual Iris there is no yellow.


This cant be normal - has to be a defect right?
We noticed the same at a demo show last december with a pre-production N5 in Belgium. The subs displayed with the sony that was standing next to it were white. We thought it was a pre-production feature..😉

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We noticed the same at a demo show last december with a pre-production N5 in Belgium. The subs displayed with the sony that was standing next to it were white. We thought it was a pre-production feature..😉
Just curious on general how did you think the N5 looked versus the Sony?

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Mike how do I fix this. I checked my gamma with Spyder Pro and JVC autocal and the gamma line has almost no variance. (See attached)

Is this something JVC can fix via a firmware update? Or is this a permanent ‘feature’



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Just curious on general how did you think the N5 looked versus the Sony?
The N5 was set-up next to the VPL-VW385ES. Both units calibrated. Let me begin to mention that both are very nice projectors. Sometimes I preferred the JVC, sometimes the Sony.

The JVC had better blacks, but also showed less details in the darker parts of the movie (Morgan Freeman in Lucy sitting in the chair in a dark room) . They handle it different and it was scene dependent which I liked more. Colours were a bit more brilliant on the JVC, but in some night scenes a bit too much (Bikini in the shallows). With the Sony it's like there is a thin film over the picture.

Two things are very clear: The JVC’s picture is sharper! Also Motion flow is better on the Sony.

I'm positive one could be happy with both because normally you are not comparing side by side.

I first wanted to buy the Sony VW760, but I've ordered the N7. So I'm switching back to JVC after a couple of years using Sony.

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How about brightness of Sony vs JVC? Were they compatible calibrated?

Crashing shadow detail is what I didn’t like about previous generation JVC, while Sony is capable of displaying a lot of detail near black. Sas to hear that new JVC continue to struggle with that.
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The N5 was set-up next to the VPL-VW385ES. Both units calibrated. Let me begin to mention that both are very nice projectors. Sometimes I preferred the JVC, sometimes the Sony.

The JVC had better blacks, but also showed less details in the darker parts of the movie (Morgan Freeman in Lucy sitting in the chair in a dark room) . They handle it different and it was scene dependent wich I liked more. Colours were a bit more brilliant on the JVC, but in some night scenes a bit too much (Bikini in the shallows). With the Sony it's like there is a thin film over the picture.

Two things are very clear: The JVC’s picture is sharper! Also Motion flow is better on the Sony.

I'm positive one could be happy with both because normally you are not comparing side by side.

I first wanted to buy the Sony VW760, but I've ordered the N7. So I'm switching back to JVC after a couple of years using Sony.
You should compare the two to what that image actually is supposed to look like. The JVC is very close to the director's intent. The Sony is showing way more detail than it should. That is often the case with lower contrast projectors. They appear to show more details, but they actually are not showing the scene as it was shot.

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Mike how do I fix this. I checked my gamma with Spyder Pro and JVC autocal and the gamma line has almost no variance. (See attached)

Is this something JVC can fix via a firmware update? Or is this a permanent ‘feature’


I have alerted JVC on this. Will wait to see what they say.
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Reducing high lamp noise?

I wonder if JVC has tried the RS4500 deflectors on the other models, to see if they can reduce the apparent noise level? If these work well, I'd love to buy some
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Received Friday night from AVS double boxed. I let it sit up stairs on the media room overnight.

Installed Saturday morning. First thing I noticed over my RS620 is how quiet it is. PJ is about 4’ above our sitting position. In low lamp mode it is barely noticeable. In high lamp it is louder but when playing a movie it does not bother us. switching to HDR my 620, would make a loud clicking noise. The new one, no noise at all. One of the best improvements from my point of view is input switching. With the previous 620 it would take 20+ seconds for video to start playing from KScape. With the RS2000 it’s less than 7 seconds. PJ is much larger than the 620. The picture it puts without any adjustments is fantastic. Can’t wait to dial it in further.

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Cancelled my NX9 order to go with the N7. I think these units will be a bit of an inbetween solution and with all that is going on especially around laser I doubz I will keep this generation for too long. Therefore I went with the N7 as the loss in the next 24 months will be way less in comparison to the NX9!
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Official JVC RS3000/NX9 - JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 - JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 - Owners Thread

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As I posted earlier, my NX7 has been having issue of adding yellow tint to content whenever Auto iris is engaged.



I took a series of picture with Manual and Auto iris (which I also sent to JVC).



This yellowing only happens when Auto Iris is engaged - at differenr settings of Manual Iris there is no yellow.





This cant be normal - has to be a defect right?


I’ve got a feeling that it can be fixed with firmware solution. If you only found out that the yellow tint happens when Auto DI is engaged and not when you adjust the len aperture manually. I assume you have manually adjusted the len aperture to see any yellow tint and none so far as long as it is set to manual? If there is something wrong with the colours, white balance and gamma, this should be apparent during calibration using JVC autocal s/w. But then again, one of the pre requisites of using JVC autocal is the need for you to turn off DI and set it to manual first. The root problem has to do with the DI and if so, JVC might be able to replicate the issue u have at their lab. Hopefully it can be fixed by a firmware patch.

Just my 2 cents.

As I’ve mentioned previously in my post, my N7 also has a yellow tint on the white subtitles whenever I bring up the menu setting and disappear thereafter I exit the menu. During normal movie playback, I see no yellow tint.



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I’ve got a feeling that it can be fixed with firmware solution. If you only found out that the yellow tint happens when Auto DI is engaged and not when you adjust the len aperture manually. I assume you have manually adjusted the len aperture to see any yellow tint and none so far as long as it is set to manual?
Yes that is right - with Manual iris only there is no yellow tint whatsoever, just shades of white with varying brightness as I move change the aperture setting

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As I’ve mentioned previously in my post, my N7 also has a yellow tint on the white subtitles whenever I bring up the menu setting and disappear thereafter I exit the menu. During normal movie playback, I see no yellow tint.

What is weird is that you have exactly the opposite problem to what I am having. For me when Auto Iris is turned on and I bring up the menu - the yellow tint disappears! As soon as I close any menu the Yellow tint becomes visible.

I hope it can be fixed by a firmware patch. I have contacted JVC and sent them the picture (Mike has as well) - lets see what they come back with
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Just curious on general how did you think the N5 looked versus the Sony?
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The N5 was set-up next to the VPL-VW385ES. Both units calibrated. Let me begin to mention that both are very nice projectors. Sometimes I preferred the JVC, sometimes the Sony.

The JVC had better blacks, but also showed less details in the darker parts of the movie (Morgan Freeman in Lucy sitting in the chair in a dark room) . They handle it different and it was scene dependent which I liked more. Colours were a bit more brilliant on the JVC, but in some night scenes a bit too much (Bikini in the shallows). With the Sony it's like there is a thin film over the picture.

Two things are very clear: The JVC’s picture is sharper! Also Motion flow is better on the Sony.

I'm positive one could be happy with both because normally you are not comparing side by side.

I first wanted to buy the Sony VW760, but I've ordered the N7. So I'm switching back to JVC after a couple of years using Sony.
Great post. I'm moving in the opposite direction. I currently have the dla-x990 but just closed a deal on a new 4k production to begin in late April, so i can fund a projector upgrade. I have been looking at the 760/885 for awhile, basically since i got the x990.

I'll have a chance to see the 885 and 995 in person in a studio setting. I have no doubt my studio clients won't miss the contrast performance of the x990, but i want see if i will.

The nx series roll out makes me nervous about a possible late april install. Will pre orders even be all filled by then?

Anyway, good luck with your nx7.
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