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So you're assuming only forum members have problems with their new projectors?

I would suggest that the percentage is the same both inside and outside of this forum.
I think a forum becomes a group of people looking at patterns for problems. Most folks out side this forum simply buy the projector and fire up some videos and if they look good, they're happy. Most projectors get installed by pros who are motivated to not point out issues to customers and present it looking good to the customer. I think this forum is full of folks that really aren't checking in since their projectors are working fine.

I don't feel like this thread is a fair extrapolation on the defect rate of the whole line.

Nor do I really understand the hesitance. Who in this thread was "screwed" by the situation vs just got another new projector? It's not a "roll of the dice" as if your roll is bad you get to reroll and reroll until its good. If you're in USA, you don't have to package up your 50 pound projector. You get advanced replacement exchange and shipping is covered. If you have a local dealer, they'll handle all this crap for you.
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I have a question on my new RS2000. I am noticing a lot of 'Video noise" or "sparkles" or shimmering on a few of the movies we've watched lately. I don't remember noticing this on my RS620. Is their a setting I need to change? Let me know if I'm not clear. Thank you

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I've not been in the game quite that long, but I blame that on youth....!!! Moved quickly to a Sony VPH1251Q 3 gun CRT . . . Those were the days....!
1251 was a great projector in its time; not sure anyone misses burned in tubes tubes, focus rings and high voltage though.
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I have a question on my new RS2000. I am noticing a lot of 'Video noise" or "sparkles" or shimmering on a few of the movies we've watched lately. I don't remember noticing this on my RS620. Is their a setting I need to change? Let me know if I'm not clear. Thank you
SDR or HDR? Is it with the Oppo? I haven’t noticed it but I haven’t used my Oppo yet with it only the Pani 820. I have a SStudiotek 130.

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I have a question on my new RS2000. I am noticing a lot of 'Video noise" or "sparkles" or shimmering on a few of the movies we've watched lately. I don't remember noticing this on my RS620. Is their a setting I need to change? Let me know if I'm not clear. Thank you
I haven't seen anything like this on my RS2000 with default settings. It it something you can capture on video?
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OK folks so I have submitted a report to JVC with respect to officially categorizing this first JVC RS3000/NX9 unit as being defective.

The fact of the matter is that the unit is afflicted by very bad light scatter, streaking, blooming, and entire reflections, due to an issue with the optical block.

See this example that illustrates the situation wherein I have circled an example of an entire reflection, which in this instance is a reflection of the centre white square.

This is the reason why this unit is measuring a lot lower than other units with respect to contrast and comparatively worse black levels.

Because there are no new units let alone replacement units currently available I will be hanging onto the unit for the time being, but as soon as possible it is going to be returned back to JVC to be replaced:




OK I have the exact same phenomenon with my N5 (see attachment).

What is going on here???
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How do you know? You've never owned a JVC projector apparently and only owned several sony projectors. Sony DI does not do very much compared to JVC. It's a different philosophy. It may not be optimal the way it works, but it also may not be a defect. A lot of what I'm seeing reported on black with some small amount of white, the RS640 behaves similarly. On the same images, the Sony presents a much more grey background.
Coming from a Sony 675ES to the RS3000 I'd agree with this, the Sony just doesn't engage the DI as hard as the JVC does but you also end up with a gray black floor which leaves a lot to be desired. I'm actually surprised they don't tweak their DI to be more aggressive but maybe this is why. Either way I'll take the trade off in slightly yellow whites vs a grey black floor any day.
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I have a question on my new RS2000. I am noticing a lot of 'Video noise" or "sparkles" or shimmering on a few of the movies we've watched lately. I don't remember noticing this on my RS620. Is their a setting I need to change? Let me know if I'm not clear. Thank you
Did you do any zone convergence? I think this adds some background noise. Also, what's your enhancement and noise reduction settings set at for this input under MPC? You may want to turn down the enhancement and slightly increase the noise reduction.

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The questions of when & where shipping damage may have occurred, the best way to have the PJ packaged and what nations have the best QC have been (over)worked to death on this thread. Could the moderator please exercise prerogative and stop any further posting redundancy? Why is anyone still being suckered into arguing with jmouse007??????
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OK I have the exact same phenomenon with my N5 (see attachment).

What is going on here???

In this small video, you can actually see how the Ghost Image is moving with the Lens-Shift.

http://cine4home.de/LS.mp4

This is just inacceptable and not an isolated case it seems.

We will inform JVC asap and ask for a comment.

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not an isolated case it seems.

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It most certainly is NOT.
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I have a question on my new RS2000. I am noticing a lot of 'Video noise" or "sparkles" or shimmering on a few of the movies we've watched lately. I don't remember noticing this on my RS620. Is their a setting I need to change? Let me know if I'm not clear. Thank you
Are you running the image brighter? Pause the image and take a piece of white copy paper and see if the sparkle shows up on the paper, or just your screen. What screen fabric are you using?
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OK I have the exact same phenomenon with my N5 (see attachment).

What is going on here???
Eeesh! Well that sucks

Ekki,

When I view the projector lens I can clearly see that there is a faint / ghosted duplicate image being projected at a tangent to the main image that is causing this phenomenon with my NX9 unit... See if you see this with your N5:



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In this small video, you can actually see how the Ghost Image is moving with the Lens-Shift.

http://cine4home.de/LS.mp4

This is just inacceptable and not an isolated case it seems.

We will inform JVC asap and ask for a comment.

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Oh dear! That is seriously messed up! I was kinda hoping that mine was an isolated instance, but clearly not!

Thank you for posting this


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In this small video, you can actually see how the Ghost Image is moving with the Lens-Shift.

http://cine4home.de/LS.mp4

This is just inacceptable and not an isolated case it seems.

We will inform JVC asap and ask for a comment.

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Ekki, is this with your pre-production projector? Or a new production unit?
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Eeesh! Well that sucks

Ekki,

When I view the projector lens I can clearly see that there is a faint / ghosted duplicate image being projected at a tangent to the main image that is causing this phenomenon with my NX9 unit... See if you see this with your N5:
Yes, I can confirm that.
Also there is coming red scattered light when you put on a gray ramp:
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Ekki, is this with your pre-production projector? Or a new production unit?

This is a brand new(!) final series N5 produced in January 2019.

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Have you experienced this phenomenon with any of the units that you have evaluated?

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This is a brand new(!) final series N5 produced in January 2019.



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Man I really doubt jvc is shipping these projectors like this.. this is probably happening during shipment..They do weigh 50 pounds and if I worked for ups im sure as hell I'm not going to carry the box the proper way. 50 pounds is 50 pounds it's going to get dropped sooner or later.. lol

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SDR or HDR? Is it with the Oppo? I haven’t noticed it but I haven’t used my Oppo yet with it only the Pani 820. I have a SStudiotek 130.


Both HDR and SDR. Today was really bad on my KScape lord of the rings Blu-ray. I could see shimmering of their faces.



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This is a brand new(!) final series N5 produced in January 2019.

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JVC really needs to sort this

By the way, I expect you will measure low ANSI below 200:1 because of this... My NX9 with this issue measures only 150:1 !!!!

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Are you running the image brighter? Pause the image and take a piece of white copy paper and see if the sparkle shows up on the paper, or just your screen. What screen fabric are you using?


Hi Mike. Using a Stewart nueve. I will rewatch the lord of rings with white paper to see if it happens. Also, I’m using out of box settings.


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Have you experienced this phenomenon with any of the units that you have evaluated?

Hesitant to post this but YES.

NX5 i got to view has terrible "Haloing" and Internal Mirror reflection in lens...

Will leave it to the likes of your good-self and others to ascertain why this IS happening on these new units.
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You can see the 4K HDR version has clear banding in the sky where as the 4K SDR version is perfection.
I just looked at this sequence (from 9:30 through the door manufacturer) in HDR10 on the NX7 on both the Roku Ultra and ATV4K and I was unable to discern any appreciable (or persistent) banding.
Ok-so this has to be introduced somewhere in the chain for hdr content. When I get home i’ll plug the atv directly with a short premium certified hdmi cable.
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When I view the projector lens I can clearly see that there is a faint / ghosted duplicate image being projected at a tangent to the main image that is causing this phenomenon with my NX9 unit... See if you see this with your N5:
Is this a new NX9 or the old one?
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Yea, JVC really needs to have a second QC process like the US in the rest of the world some how. It does seem like the law of averages outside of the US is worse. There may be a big container of units going back to JVC from the US but if most of us here have a decent projector so be it. It's not like they are selling a not as complex Apple TV product...Oh wait that stupid little thing has a lot of problems too.
At times, it feels like talking about 2 different companies. JVC USA with great customer support, free lamp for users, priority on deliveries.
And then there is JVC Europe. We have no idea when we will receive our projectors, despite having ordered them since September, mediocre QC, higher prices, no free lamp for no apparent reason.
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Yes, I can confirm that.
Hang on, dont all JVC's do this?

Im sure I see the same double image inside the lens elements on my eshift JVC...

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Hang on, dont all JVC's do this?

Im sure I see the same double image inside the lens elements on my eshift JVC...

No X series I ever checked had as much scattered light / halos / streaking etc, as the N5 I have here.
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