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There was discussion in the anticipation thread which led to the creation of this owners thread. I helped arrow put together the links and text in the 1st post.

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I'm glad Arrow volunteered to be the main person to provide the essential information for the owner's thread. Not all first owners are knowledgeable or willing to devote their time to keep the thread updated. When someone new comes along, they go to the first post. It's great that they will not have to search for hours or days to learn about the projector. I know some may not like the fact that a non first owner started a thread but it's for the best in the long run.
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RS3000/NX9 are shipping now and en route next week to many who preordered through Mike!
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Anybody knows the real life difference between the N5 and the Epson 5040? Will it be worth the extra money?
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Does the NX9 have a HDMI 2.1 chipset to properly support a 8k input signal? If not, is it likely that the input board can be swapped down the road for one with HDMI 2.1 support?

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Does the NX9 have a HDMI 2.1 chipset to properly support a 8k input signal? If not, is it likely that the input board can be swapped down the road for one with HDMI 2.1 support?
Fully compliant 2.1 chipsets are not yet available in any device that I am aware of. The NX9 does not have a 2.1 chipset and JVC has not made any statements that they plan to offer an upgrade in the future.
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Does the NX9 have a HDMI 2.1 chipset to properly support a 8k input signal? If not, is it likely that the input board can be swapped down the road for one with HDMI 2.1 support?


No current projector or AVR / Pre-pro has HDMI 2.1 currently, my Denon 8500H will have a board upgrade summer 2019 for 2.1.

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Does the NX9 have a HDMI 2.1 chipset to properly support a 8k input signal? If not, is it likely that the input board can be swapped down the road for one with HDMI 2.1 support?
Note that the RS3000/NX9 does NOT support ANY 8K signal (properly or otherwise). While most of the literature does not make that completely clear, there is at least one brochure that states specifically:

"The projector does not support 8K signal input."

It ONLY internally upscales 4K (and lower) to 8K e-shift.

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Does the NX7 have newer dila chipset than the JVC 4500?
Considering that the Sony 5000 or the Sony 885 have the SXRD chipset which started with the Sony 1000 (6 years ago), albeit being improved, is there an inherent advantage for the NX7?
Reason I ask is - I used to have a Wolf DCX-1000i, which was, about 6 years ago, $80,000. Recently, I gave it away for free, after I compared it directly with an Epson 4000. The superiority of the Epson was very easily and clearly obvious! Even the picture is brighter with the $1500 EPSON 4000 (quiet 300 watts of power) compared to the very noisy Wolf (1000 watt power, the lamp costed me $2500 to replace). It was unbelievable to see the advancement of technology in 6 years!

Considering the huge advancement in technology, does the JVC Nx7 have an inherent advantage, because of its youth, even compared to the Sony 885? I assume the laser and light output of the Sony 5000, at its huge price point, would still make it superior of course.. but I am wondering if this is going to be another Wolf Vs Epson scenario? Once the NX7s arrive, I would be interested to know the comparative comments. There are a couple of used Sony 5000s on the market.. tempting.. but, excluding the light output.. the NX7 seems a better choice.. and replace it after 2 or 3 years with its own laser version? btw, 99% of my viewing is ONLY 1080p. Sowk, a fellow member here, suggested that I not even bother to replace my epson with the JVC Nx7, because I watch only 1080p amazon/netflix/Dish. I don't really care about nor need hdr etc..
The nx7 seems to be just about the best option for a 2000 lumen projector!
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Official JVC RS3000/NX9 - JVC RS2000/NX7/N7 - JVC RS1000/NX5/N5 - Owners Thread

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See this;


Test it out , this is useful for those with a-lens with a curved screen... and if ditch the a-lens but keep the curved screen ...
Or there is still some pincushion even with curved screen this could visually eliminate it.
I looked and the RS4/5/6/XXX series did not have this ability.

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Does the NX7 have newer dila chipset than the JVC 4500?
Considering that the Sony 5000 or the Sony 885 have the SXRD chipset which started with the Sony 1000 (6 years ago), albeit being improved, is there an inherent advantage for the NX7?
Reason I ask is - I used to have a Wolf DCX-1000i, which was, about 6 years ago, $80,000. Recently, I gave it away for free, after I compared it directly with an Epson 4000. The superiority of the Epson was very easily and clearly obvious! Even the picture is brighter with the $1500 EPSON 4000 (quiet 300 watts of power) compared to the very noisy Wolf (1000 watt power, the lamp costed me $2500 to replace). It was unbelievable to see the advancement of technology in 6 years!

Considering the huge advancement in technology, does the JVC Nx7 have an inherent advantage, because of its youth, even compared to the Sony 885? I assume the laser and light output of the Sony 5000, at its huge price point, would still make it superior of course.. but I am wondering if this is going to be another Wolf Vs Epson scenario? Once the NX7s arrive, I would be interested to know the comparative comments. There are a couple of used Sony 5000s on the market.. tempting.. but, excluding the light output.. the NX7 seems a better choice.. and replace it after 2 or 3 years with its own laser version? btw, 99% of my viewing is ONLY 1080p. Sowk, a fellow member here, suggested that I not even bother to replace my epson with the JVC Nx7, because I watch only 1080p amazon/netflix/Dish. I don't really care about nor need hdr etc..
The nx7 seems to be just about the best option for a 2000 lumen projector!
Happy New Year to all.

I'll try to help, but your post is confusing me a bit.

First, streaming services do offer UHD content...e.g., Netflix. Second, the new JVCs are reported to have a newer 4K chip, but don't expect these new models to perform to the same level of the RS4500, Third, if it's a lamp-based projector you're looking at against the likes of Wolf and a used 5000ES, you should then be considering the NX9, with its better lens and light output, and not the NX7. Fourth, the NX7 is expected to have better black levels than the 885. But keep in mind that no lamp-based projector I know of does true black, just different shades of gray. When you reach a shade of gray you're happy with, then there you go and you should begin to consider other things that make that make up the whole. Most laser projectors, however, can do a true black out, but unfortunately that blackness is not when image content is up on the screen.

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Happy New Year to all.

I'll try to help, but your post is confusing me a bit.

First, streaming services do offer UHD content...e.g., Netflix.
Of course I am be aware of it. . Anyone can see the uhd content availability, quite obviously on main screen on amazon prime and netflix!

I watch what I want to watch, based on interest and not whether or not it is UHD. Most of what I like to watch is, for the present time and probably for near future, seems to be mostly non UHD. It is simply a personal choice. Not suggesting that it is right or wrong! Frankly, I am not interested in discussing the merits or demerits of my watching preferences. I mentioned 1080p preference, only for the sake of projector selection/suggestion - that UHD/HDR is not important to me. Based on that, Sowk, a fellow member, suggested that I not even move from Epson to JVC nx7, although he ordered a NX7.

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Second, the new JVCs are reported to have a newer 4K chip, but don't expect these new models to perform to the same level of the RS4500, Third, if it's a lamp-based projector you're looking at against the likes of Wolf and a used 5000ES, you should then be considering the NX9, with its better lens and light output, and not the NX7. Fourth, the NX7 is expected to have better black levels than the 885. But keep in mind that no lamp-based projector I know of does true black, just different shades of gray. When you reach a shade of gray you're happy with, then there you go and you should begin to consider other things that make that make up the whole. Most laser projectors, however, can do a true black out, but unfortunately that blackness is not when image content is up on the screen.
While the NX9 might well be superior, the price differential between nx9 and nx7 is substantial and for ME, it would not be worth it. I am of the opinion that projectors need to be changed every 3 years. Discarding a $5000 projector, after 3 years is much more palatable for me, than spending $15000 or $20,000 on it and keeping it for 5 to 6 years. My point being evidenced by the differences between the Wolf and the Epson, with $80K Vs $1500 price point.

In three years, there would be quite a few laser projectors under $10k and with newer chipsets. I do realize that the laser light source is probably quite superior. Some people commented that the picture from a laser source appears "solid" and actually quite different/superior. I have yet to see a laser light source picture.



I am waiting to see the reviews/comments, after the NXx projectors are delivered. I realize that the 4500 would be quite superior, I don't know whether the newer chipset would make the difference between the nx7 Vs 4500 to be minimal - with the exception of the laser/contrast superiority of 4500 of course..


I keep getting tempted to buy the Sony 5000 (used) butI hesitate that in 2 years, it would be a bit obsolete and in 3 years, quite obsolete.
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Of course I am be aware of it. . Anyone can see the uhd content availability, quite obviously on main screen on amazon prime and netflix!

I watch what I want to watch,


In three years, there would be quite a few laser projectors under $10k and with newer chipsets. I do realize that the laser light source is probably quite superior. Some people commented that the picture from a laser source appears "solid" and actually quite different/superior. I have yet to see a laser light source picture.

I keep getting tempted to buy the Sony 5000 (used) butI hesitate that in 2 years, it would be a bit obsolete and in 3 years, quite obsolete.
Oh..sorry. The NX7 is native 4k. If native 4K is not a big deal and you're interested in laser light source under $10k, you should check out the Benq LK990 thread. Those machines do 1528x2 resolution and have around 6000 lumens and most owners of the older model, the LK970 are reporting no big issues with RBE. And BenQ is expected to release some other newer laser-based projectors.

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Does the NX7 have newer dila chipset than the JVC 4500?
Considering that the Sony 5000 or the Sony 885 have the SXRD chipset which started with the Sony 1000 (6 years ago), albeit being improved, is there an inherent advantage for the NX7?
Reason I ask is - I used to have a Wolf DCX-1000i, which was, about 6 years ago, $80,000. Recently, I gave it away for free, after I compared it directly with an Epson 4000. The superiority of the Epson was very easily and clearly obvious! Even the picture is brighter with the $1500 EPSON 4000 (quiet 300 watts of power) compared to the very noisy Wolf (1000 watt power, the lamp costed me $2500 to replace). It was unbelievable to see the advancement of technology in 6 years!

Considering the huge advancement in technology, does the JVC Nx7 have an inherent advantage, because of its youth, even compared to the Sony 885? I assume the laser and light output of the Sony 5000, at its huge price point, would still make it superior of course.. but I am wondering if this is going to be another Wolf Vs Epson scenario? Once the NX7s arrive, I would be interested to know the comparative comments. There are a couple of used Sony 5000s on the market.. tempting.. but, excluding the light output.. the NX7 seems a better choice.. and replace it after 2 or 3 years with its own laser version? btw, 99% of my viewing is ONLY 1080p. Sowk, a fellow member here, suggested that I not even bother to replace my epson with the JVC Nx7, because I watch only 1080p amazon/netflix/Dish. I don't really care about nor need hdr etc..
The nx7 seems to be just about the best option for a 2000 lumen projector!
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Happy New Year to all.

I'll try to help, but your post is confusing me a bit.

First, streaming services do offer UHD content...e.g., Netflix. Second, the new JVCs are reported to have a newer 4K chip, but don't expect these new models to perform to the same level of the RS4500, Third, if it's a lamp-based projector you're looking at against the likes of Wolf and a used 5000ES, you should then be considering the NX9, with its better lens and light output, and not the NX7. Fourth, the NX7 is expected to have better black levels than the 885. But keep in mind that no lamp-based projector I know of does true black, just different shades of gray. When you reach a shade of gray you're happy with, then there you go and you should begin to consider other things that make that make up the whole. Most laser projectors, however, can do a true black out, but unfortunately that blackness is not when image content is up on the screen.

I hope that helped.

The chip that is in the 1000, 2000 and 3000 is a more advanced chip than what is in the 4500. The main difference is the improved contrast. The advantage of the 4500 is the light output, laser and full fade to black. And of course the better lens in the 4500 compared to the 1000 and 2000. The JVC's should do an excellent job upconverting 1080P content, since the 4500 processing did an excellent job of this. Will talk more about the 3000 vs the 4500, once I receive my 3000.
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The chip that is in the 1000, 2000 and 3000 is a more advanced chip than what is in the 4500. The main difference is the improved contrast. The advantage of the 4500 is the light output, laser and full fade to black. And of course the better lens in the 4500 compared to the 1000 and 2000. The JVC's should do an excellent job upconverting 1080P content, since the 4500 processing did an excellent job of this. Will talk more about the 3000 vs the 4500, once I receive my 3000.
Happy New Year, Mike! You're thinking the processor in the NX series will be as good as the one in the RS4500? I'm curious on this very point, and you had the RS4500. I recall when I had my X990; while it looked nice on its own, when I compared its image head-to-head with a different laser's, I noticed the X990 had heavy pixel noise, weak shadow detail, and noticeable resolution loss in fast motion scenes.

I hope you're right!
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Oh..sorry. The NX7 is native 4k. If native 4K is not a big deal and you're interested in laser light source under $10k, you should check out the Benq LK990 thread. Those machines do 1528x2 resolution and have around 6000 lumens and most owners of the older model, the LK970 are reporting no big issues with RBE. And BenQ is expected to release some other newer laser-based projectors.

Good luck.
Thanks for the suggestion. I shall look into it. . Do you know how old the chipset is in the Benq? I am of the opinion that I don't want buy any projector, which has a chipset older than 1 year from time of purchase. Frankly, I don't really need or want a projector right now. I am just thinking out loud about the used Sony 5000. I am writing here.. because I am wondering if the NX7's picture with superior contrast, would look better than even the Sony 5000, sans the lumens and the inherent solidity of the laser picture.

Also, I am not sure about the DLP chipsets; I don't know anything about it. I heard that TI's newest chipset, which is eshift type 4k, has poor contrast, when compared to the dila and sxrd. Even the dlp chip in Barco balder - has this supposedly lower contrast chipset. I don't know anything about LCD chipsets but my current Epson 4000 is the best projector I have owned so far and also the least expensive! Are LCDs expected to have better contrast than dlp?


While Benq's 6000 lumens sounds interesting (I have a 20 year old 150" wide, 16X9 Stewart micro perf 1.3 gain screen). Once I saw the contrast improvement over my prior wolf, I am reluctant to consider DLP again. I would expect the JVCs to be very superior, compared to the DLPs, just because of the contrast.
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Using JVC NX5/7 for Constant Image Height (16x9 and 2.35:1)

I watched the training video which I though provided great information. One thing that I found interesting was the statement by the trainer that you should have "50 foot Lambert for an HDR content". I find this app to be helpful for calculating fL: webprojectorcalculator.com

I have a 22 foot long theater, just a little over 11 feet wide with complete light control and dark surfaces. I currently have a Panasonic AE8000u with a 115" 2.35:1 screen using CHI for viewing different aspect ratios. I love the wider aspect ratio and probably watch more 2.35:1 content than 16:9, but I do watch both. I also have a gaming pc with a gtx-1070ti and I like sim racing in the 21:9 aspect ratio.

I'm considering an upgrade to the NX5 or NX7. When I started running calcs I quickly noticed that the fL is much higher in the 16:9 lens memory, compared to the 2.35:1, due to the fact that you obviously have to zoom to fill the screen in wide mode. Even when factoring that only 81% of the screen is being utilized in 2:35:1 mode, the fL numbers are way lower.

This brings up the following problem. I can get to about 40 fL in the 2.35:1 lens memory for HDR content in the projector's brightest mode, with my screen and an 18.5 feet throw distance (factoring in 81% screen utilization). The challenge arises when I switch to the 16:9 mode for viewing this content, where I will be sitting at almost 49 fL, even after factoring in that a 16:9 signal only uses 94% of the JVC's 1.9:1 screen ratio.

Perhaps this is all more detail then necessary, but I have two questions:

- In a light controlled theater with dark surfaces, when the NX5 is cranking out 49 fL at the lowest possible lamp mode, is this going to be a problem for non-HDR content? Research tells me this is way too bright for a dark room.
- Is there some feature or setting that would allow me to get the 16x9 non-HDR content below say 25 fL (recommended fL in dark theaters).

It's strange to me that I'm concerned about an image that is too bright, but this "HDR needs 50 fL" comment from the training video, I suspect, puts most wanting to run CIH with HDR and SDR content in a no win situation. I hope I'm wrong. Oh, and no I'm not paying $7k for an anamorphic lens.
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This brings up the following problem. I can get to about 40 fL in the 2.35:1 lens memory for HDR content in the projector's brightest mode, with my screen and an 18.5 feet throw distance (factoring in 81% screen utilization).
This calc only shows 36fL for 120" 16:9 (115" scope) for the NX7 for 18.5ft throw....but that is for a 1.1 gain screen.

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Yes, I've got a 1.3 gain Cinema Vision Dalite screen. I could change the screen gain/size, etc, and have run tons of scenarios, but in every case I can't get the SDR signal below 30 fL with the HDR up close to 50 fL. The low and max lamp modes seem to be too close together. That If I'm correct in my assumptions, and I was designing this projector, I'd have a super-low lamp mode for non-HDR content....not even sure if it's possible, but would solve the problem.
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This calc only shows 36fL for 120" 16:9 (115" scope) for the NX7 for 18.5ft throw....but that is for a 1.1 gain screen.

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Don't use that calculator for brightness - only throw distance. It doesn't take into account low lamp, closing the iris all the way down etc. For what it's worth, I prefer the older " classic " calculator for throw distance / screen size.
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Yes, I've got a 1.3 gain Cinema Vision Dalite screen. I could change the screen gain/size, etc, and have run tons of scenarios, but in every case I can't get the SDR signal below 30 fL with the HDR up close to 50 fL. The low and max lamp modes seem to be too close together. That If I'm correct in my assumptions, and I was designing this projector, I'd have a super-low lamp mode for non-HDR content....not even sure if it's possible, but would solve the problem.
Don't use that calculator for brightness - it's not reliable for that. You will be fine. You can run low lamp for SDR and close the manual iris. I have no problem getting 18.5 foot lamberts on my 123" 1.1 + gain Cima neve with my 3000 lumen RS4500. I'll bet that calculator doesn't show that low a brightness as possible. In fact I just tried it and it shows 66 foot lamberts for my screen and throw distance. That's wildly inaccurate.
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Thank you, this is helpful. I can't post photos or links now because I'm new to the forum, but if you go to this site (webprojectorcalculator.com), it runs the numbers in the various lamp modes. The catch is they don't have the NX models yet but I used the 590 which has the same lumens and contrast ratio, and I believe the same throw ratios.

Do you mind telling me about the manual iris? What does it take to adjust this?
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Thank you, this is helpful. I can't post photos or links now because I'm new to the forum, but if you go to this site (webprojectorcalculator.com), it runs the numbers in the various lamp modes. The catch is they don't have the NX models yet but I used the 590 which has the same lumens and contrast ratio, and I believe the same throw ratios.
I'm sort of in the same situation as you, as I have a higher gain screen. As Craig Peer has pointed out, while the calculators might show settings for low lamp and high lamp, they don't show the settings if you clamp the iris down. Craig or others can explain better how that works, but my understanding is that you can reduce the brightness quite a bit, depending on the JVC model. I'm planning to use the manual iris on the NX7 to reduce brightness on my screen for SDR.
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Some very interesting tidbits from the manual about the new Auto Tone Mapping (http://www33.jvckenwood.com/pdfs/B5A-2809-01.pdf):

"The 'Auto Tone Mapping' setting is configured based on a 100" screen with a gain of 1.0 in total darkness"

Suggested modifications to the Auto Tone Mapping based on the clipping points:
400 nit clipping point - Picture Tone +5, Dark Level 0, Bright Level +7
1000 nit clipping point - Picture Tone -7, Dark Level 0, Bright Level +7
2000 nit clipping point - Picture Tone -9, Dark Level 0, Bright Level +7
4000 nit clipping point - Picture Tone -13, Dark Level 0, Bright Level +7
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Happy New Year, Mike! You're thinking the processor in the NX series will be as good as the one in the RS4500? I'm curious on this very point, and you had the RS4500. I recall when I had my X990; while it looked nice on its own, when I compared its image head-to-head with a different laser's, I noticed the X990 had heavy pixel noise, weak shadow detail, and noticeable resolution loss in fast motion scenes.

I hope you're right!
This has been hinted at to me, so I am anxious to confirm.
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So has JVC resolved that issue with 3rd party component?

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Yes, JVC sent out an official letter earlier, stating that the issue had been resolved and production started. I posted the letter in the forum.
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Yes, JVC sent out an official letter earlier, stating that the issue had been resolved and production started. I posted the letter in the forum.
Mike can you please state the anchor link to this post?

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