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You selling your NX9 already?
Yes. The nx9 is the best projector I have ever seen, but the timing worked out that I took delivery of the nx9 right after I sold my prized Seaton Speakers and put a down payment on jbl m2's.

I have expensive taste, but not unlimited funds , as the jbl speakers I am now after are approximately double the cost of my Seaton gear, and I want to do 11.1.8 (meaning I need to fund 19 expensive speakers).
Please tell me you have at least two subs in that setup.

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Please tell me you have at least two subs in that setup.
Yes indeed. In fact, I have 12!
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Do JVC let you know (via the email address you supply on the promo form) when they have received the form or shipped the lamp? With the Seattle Snowmagedden approaching I sent mine Priority so that it had tracking and saw they received it. Plenty of window left, just wondering if it just turns up out of the blue.
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Telephone conversations (initiated by JVC) were necessary in my case because there initially was a misunderstanding as to whether my dealer an authorized JVC seller, a condition required for the free lamp. Paperwork was subsequently found which verified his authorized status. I was then able to verify that the lamp had been approved and was to be sent by a certain date. I never received a tracking number or further email correspondence prior to the lamp's arrival. Telephone interactions with the JVC representative were extremely cordial and there was an obvious intent on JVC's part to fulfill their responsibility. My situation was probably not representative of other purchasers, so I can't speak to the routine handling of this process. FYI, when asked, I was told that "around a dozen" free lamp forms had been received before mine.
I just received the email from UPS for delivery tomorrow Less than a two week turn around for a mail in promotion is unheard of!
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Yes indeed. In fact, I have 12!
OK, then that would be an 11.12.8 system.

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Yes indeed. In fact, I have 12!
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OK, then that would be an 11.12.8 system.
Depends on how you look at it. I utilize a behringer dcx 2496 for bass management of my 12 subs. I only use one sub out on my procesor, so technically it is still 11.1.8, but yes, I could see calling it 11.12.8 as well.

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Prometheus was shot on a RED Epic 3D setup. I would guess the noisy shots were the darker scenes where they used higher ISO. I thought maybe they added film grain in post, but apparently not. This reviewer says the film is grain free and "clean" (end of 3rd paragraph):



https://www.avforums.com/review/prom...ay-review.4823



So I'm guessing it's simply noise from amplifying the sensor signal. I don't have my NX9 yet, but just check for your sharpness setting (MPC Enhance mode).


I hadn’t thought of this. I’ll check this out for sure. This may solve a lot of my problem. Or my PERCEIVED problem. There were definitely scenes that had a ton of noise/grain.

I’m checking this in the JVC, correct? Not the 820?
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OK, then that would be an 11.12.8 system.
Not really. The correct nomenclature is 11.1.8, since you list by channels, not speakers. Everybody likes to let people know how many subs they have, so they often times list it wrong.
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OK, then that would be an 11.12.8 system.
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Not really. The correct nomenclature is 11.1.8, since you list by channels, not speakers. Everybody likes to let people know how many subs they have, so they often times list it wrong.
Sounds like an upgrade to a Trinnov Alitutde 32 is in order, then you can really claim 11.12.8
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Sounds like an upgrade to a Trinnov Alitutde 32 is in order, then you can really claim 11.12.8
Nope, the source material for subs is still .1.
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Please tell me you have at least two subs in that setup.
Just curious. Do your theater seats have seat belts?
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Prometheus was shot on a RED Epic 3D setup. I would guess the noisy shots were the darker scenes where they used higher ISO. I thought maybe they added film grain in post, but apparently not. This reviewer says the film is grain free and "clean" (end of 3rd paragraph):



https://www.avforums.com/review/prom...ay-review.4823



So I'm guessing it's simply noise from amplifying the sensor signal. I don't have my NX9 yet, but just check for your sharpness setting (MPC Enhance mode).


Where would this setting be on the new JVCs?
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One weird thing I have noticed with the Shield and Kodi - when playing SDR it is sending a SMPTE 170M color space to the projector - this does not look good so I have been using a Vero 4k for SDR and it appropriately uses BT709. I am not sure why this is happening but if I turned off auto-colorimetry switching then the shield sends BT2020 for everything which looks washed out for SDR.
Interesting, and discouraging. I've heard good things about MrMC... have you tried it yet? I'm new to Shield TV, but it seems like the closeting thing on Shield TV to Infuse Pro on ATV, which is the bees knees.

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Where would this setting be on the new JVCs?
From the manual:
Press the "MPC" button to display adjustment menu, or selecting "Picture Adjust", then "MPC/e-Shift" (NX9) or "MPC Level" (NX7/5), then "Enhance" (sharpness), I recommend as close to 0 as you can tolerate to avoid edge enhancement. For regular content it will appear blurrier, but it will avoid artificial edge enhancement. If it's already at 0, consider turning up the "NR" to reduce noise.

Since I'm flying blind here, please report back to let us know how it went.

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Interesting, and discouraging. I've heard good things about MrMC... have you tried it yet? I'm new to Shield TV, but it seems like the closeting thing on Shield TV to Infuse Pro on ATV, which is the bees knees.
There’s a “light” version of MrMC you can try out to evaluate it. There’s a limit on the number of videos per folder, but most features a the same as the full version.
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I hadn’t thought of this. I’ll check this out for sure. This may solve a lot of my problem. Or my PERCEIVED problem. There were definitely scenes that had a ton of noise/grain.

I’m checking this in the JVC, correct? Not the 820?
Holy crap! I was really talking about the PJ; but I checked the 820 manual and it turns out it has a sharpness enhancement setting. Check that too. I was not aware of source devices that do any image processing other than upscaling, but here it is. And if the player is sharpening, then the PJ is sharpening, that could cause some film grain issues!

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The image is scaled (*not* 'stretched') to fill the 4096 pixel width of the chip. To maintain the proper Aspect Ratio for the content, there is slight cropping of the upper and lower part of the image. You do lose the 1:1 pixel mapping (most reports I've read indicate no visible downside to this), but there is no stretching of the picture.

So if you're watching 16:9 content, on a 16:9 screen, with Zoom enabled in the menu (which results in 17:9 Aspect Ratio output), there will be narrow bars on the top and bottom, since 16:9 and 17:9 are different aspect ratios, with 17:9 slightly wider and narrower than 16:9.

And if you're watching 2.35:1 content, on a 16:9 screen, there will still be black bars top and bottom as expected (since 2.35:1 is obviously much wider than 16:9), but because of the scaling, they will be slightly narrower than they would have been without the 'Zoom' menu choice.

What you gain with the 'Zoom' menu option, is a bump in brightness, since the entire chip is being used to produce the image, the full 4096 pixel width, and not just the 3840 pixel width.
This is the part that's confusing me. The image is scaled not stretched, so the aspect doesnt change. If your screen is 16:9 and you scale to 16:9 res, then you reduce the image position so that the overflow for 17:9 is off the sides of the screen. I think we agree. Then if you want to go full panel you reduce the overall image so that the 17:9 image width fits the 16:9 screen. I think we agree here, too. When you display a 16:9 image on that, the top and bottom will show up as bars because the panel is not capable of displaying the full image. So some of the image is cut off. In this case 17:9 panel gives 16:9 with black bars on top and bottom because the panel cant display those.

Ok on 2.35:1 image when you go 16:9 scaling, the width of the screen is filled and the top is black bars for the remainder of the aspect.
If you scale to 17:9 then you reduce the image to fit your screen. The width fits and the black bars on top are the same since you are scaling not zooming.

You do gain ~100 lumens in brightness but its likely not to be noticeable.

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With these absolutely terrible limitations, why would your favorite platform be apple tv? With those limitations, I'd be completely out on apple tv.
Hahaha you're right. It's just that the UI and UX are second to none... Android is a mess. I can do everything I want EXCEPT Atmos. Uncompressed UHD rips direct stream perfectly (with Infuse), buffering time on streams is WAY shorter than any other device for some reason. It's just Atmos. But in my Atmos dedicated theater room, the ATV is a no-go.

I was trying to avoid the complexity of HTPC by using an off-the-shelf streaming box appliance. The madVR site shows some pretty amazing results on 4K upscaling, and I do have a crapload of 1080p Blurays. Maybe I'll update my HTPC for HDR and find a decent player that supports madVR.

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Yes indeed. In fact, I have 12!
Overkill much?

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Not really. The correct nomenclature is 11.1.8, since you list by channels, not speakers. Everybody likes to let people know how many subs they have, so they often times list it wrong.
Gotcha. So mine would be 7.2.4 because my AVM60 has two sub outs, correct?

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It would be really nice for someone who has one of these new JVC models, who also has been using MadVR, to comment on how JVC’s auto tone maping compares to MadVr’s tone mapping for HDR.
Didnt Manni already comment on that? It's not even close between madVR and JVC auto tone mapping. Nothing comes close to madVR

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Overkill much?
You have no idea just how true that statement is. Lots and lots of headroom

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It would be really nice for someone who has one of these new JVC models, who also has been using MadVR, to comment on how JVC’s auto tone maping compares to MadVr’s tone mapping for HDR.
Its not even the same universe.

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Hahaha you're right. It's just that the UI and UX are second to none... Android is a mess. I can do everything I want EXCEPT Atmos. Uncompressed UHD rips direct stream perfectly (with Infuse), buffering time on streams is WAY shorter than any other device for some reason. It's just Atmos. But in my Atmos dedicated theater room, the ATV is a no-go.

I was trying to avoid the complexity of HTPC by using an off-the-shelf streaming box appliance. The madVR site shows some pretty amazing results on 4K upscaling, and I do have a crapload of 1080p Blurays. Maybe I'll update my HTPC for HDR and find a decent player that supports madVR.
Kodi + DSPlayer supports madVR.
I use Kodi + Zoom player with madVR.

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Didnt Manni already comment on that? It's not even close between madVR and JVC auto tone mapping. Nothing comes close to madVR
What about a lumagen?

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Gotcha. So mine would be 7.2.4 because my AVM60 has two sub outs, correct?


I think AVM60 just like MRX11/720 only splits the subwoofer out into two. You cannot do bass management on two subwoofer channels separately. So I think it is still 7.1.4 ... Only the AVM let's you split the LFE/Sub output internally vs. Having to apply an external splitter


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Kodi + DSPlayer supports madVR.
I use Kodi + Zoom player with madVR.
Thanks, this is all new to me. I'll have to download Kodi + DSPlayer. From the rave reviews of MrMC I was hoping to use that, but I'm not sure it supports MadVR which clearly looks to be the superior way to play back 1080p material on 4K displays.

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Can someone explain the proper way to adjust convergence after the projector warms up for 30 minutes to an hour? What should I look for? It's "whole" screen - correct? I have about 20 hours on the lamp so far.
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Gotcha. So mine would be 7.2.4 because my AVM60 has two sub outs, correct?


I think AVM60 just like MRX11/720 only splits the subwoofer out into two. You cannot do bass management on two subwoofer channels separately. So I think it is still 7.1.4 ... Only the AVM let's you split the LFE/Sub output internally vs. Having to apply an external splitter


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