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Anyone here upgrade from an RS500, RS600, RS520, RS620, RS540, RS640 to an N7/RS2000? If so, what are impressions and contrast comparisons?
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What you're seeing sounds like horizontal keystone effect with a ceiling mounted projector.
Could be you have your pj mounted slightly to the left of centre of the screen and twisted to the right to get the image centred on the screen. if you twist the pj to the left it should straighten up at the bottom, but the image will be off the screen to the left, so you have to move the pj to the right.
If you twist to left, lean to the right.
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If you twist to left, lean to the right.
I should have said use lens shift and not move the pj - it's 3am here

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Thanks. I fixed by using a level on the projector. I would say it’s 98 percent perfect


Where was it out of square?
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Mine is shipping next week, I ordered on Sept 19th from a large dealer, not sure if that helps you =) I have seen some people post quicker shipments from smaller local dealers probably due to how units got spread out.
Definitely helpful information. Thank you! So maybe soon for me!!
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Gotcha. I’m shooting at a 123 inch 16:9 ST130, throw is 13 feet 3 inches.

I can see some barrel distortion, not too much. I zoom it out. I’m like at 1.49 throw though. So near the minimum.
I ran some Joe Kane test patterns today and on those I noticed a very slight barrel distortion also. But I needed to really look for it. In content I can't see it. I took my DCR lens off when testing to be sure.

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So what I suggest is rotate the projector clockwise / counter clockwise until you have a situation where it's a trapezoid. Then point the projector towards the small end of the trapezoid, shift the image back onto the screen using shift, and repeat until it's square.
In hanging my projector, I noticed the same thing. The first thing I did was to center the lens back to its home base. Then I worked the mount adjusting the pitch and roll and just slowly worked the mount to show things being square on the screen. You'll need to adjust the zoom to move in and out while making your adjustments. Use the shift to move the entire image to the edges so your mount adjustments are easily seen. It took 15 or 20 minutes of work, but easy with the Chief mount with the geared adjustments.
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I ran some Joe Kane test patterns today and on those I noticed a very slight barrel distortion also. But I needed to really look for it. In content I can't see it. I took my DCR lens off when testing to be sure.


I can see it with content, but reeeeeally only if I didn’t zoom the edges off. If I didn’t tell you and you weren’t looking for it you’d have no idea.
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Anyone here upgrade from an RS500, RS600, RS520, RS620, RS540, RS640 to an N7/RS2000? If so, what are impressions and contrast comparisons?
I'm waiting for these kind of comparisons also, my theater is A black velvet room. Chad calibrated and made custom maps for my 600,so i'm waiting for reviews and comparisons or I will just sit this one out and wait until the next model.
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....what do you mean “increase the contrast”? To 7?

I’m talking about the settings here



That’s just an image from a google search but on mine I had contrast at 7 and brightness at -3.
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I’m talking about the settings here



That’s just an image from a google search but on mine I had contrast at 7 and brightness at -3.


I’ll check that out.
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Anyone here upgrade from an RS500, RS600, RS520, RS620, RS540, RS640 to an N7/RS2000? If so, what are impressions and contrast comparisons?
That is what I've been wondering as well, people that A/B'd how much difference they noticed in black levels.

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That is what I've been wondering as well, people that A/B'd how much difference they noticed in black levels.
I know Manni and SOWK, stated that it was an improvement overall with their rs2000/N7 and didn't miss much in black levels. Manni has a smaller screen and SOWK has a 150+ in screen, so they noticed a difference with dramatically different size screens. Hopefully mines get here by the end of the month. Not sure if Jason, aka Zombie, got his rs2000 yet.
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I know Manni and SOWK, stated that it was an improvement overall with their rs2000/N7 and didn't miss much in black levels. Manni has a smaller screen and SOWK has a 150+ in screen, so they noticed a difference with dramatically different size screens. Hopefully mines get here by the end of the month. Not sure if Jason, aka Zombie, got his rs2000 yet.
I thought @Manni had something older than RS500. @SOWK ?
Looking for direct comparisons moving from something RS500 or newer to N7.

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I thought @Manni had something older than RS500. @SOWK ?
Looking for direct comparisons moving from something RS500 or newer to N7.

Both been on the forum for 10+ years and had countless JVC projectors. Manni had the rs500 and is probably the main person, other than Jason, who has provide so much for us JVC owners. Manni created all of the calibration threads and worked with hdfury to get HDR looking acceptable on our units.
SOWK had a 540, as well as many other JVCs. I've own the rs15, 35, 40, 48, 49, 55, 400, and 520.
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Both been on the forum for 10+ years and had countless JVC projectors. Manni had the rs500 and is probably the main person, other than Jason, who has provide so much for us JVC owners. Manni created all of the calibration threads and worked with hdfury to get HDR looking acceptable on our units.
SOWK had a 540, as well as many other JVCs. I've own the rs15, 35, 40, 48, 49, 55, 400, and 520.
Just pointed my friend to manni's review. Thank you

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Where was it out of square?
Not really sure where it was out of squared but once I put the level on the projector it was pointing to low. When I raised the PJ it fixed most of my issues

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Not really sure where it was out of squared but once I put the level on the projector it was pointing to low. When I raised the PJ it fixed most of my issues


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I've seen various comments on this but I just want to be clear: if I have my nx5 at a 12 foot throw on a 110 inch screen, will I have picture issues? I know it meets the minimum throw, but I keep seeing comments on barrel distortion and don't want a questionable picture.
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I've seen various comments on this but I just want to be clear: if I have my nx5 at a 12 foot throw on a 110 inch screen, will I have picture issues? I know it meets the minimum throw, but I keep seeing comments on barrel distortion and don't want a questionable picture.
I have my NX7 at 11’8” from a 106” screen. There is no barrelling on mine.
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"My image bends down to the right bottom corner of the screen. Can anyone say if they know how to remedy this?"


Thanks for the pointers guys! You called it Gary. I placed a level on top of the beast and it's perfectly level. I measured for center and I'm 2" to the left of center. I went by my previous PJ mount, setting the NX7 about 18" back from previous position. I didn't have a problem then so I didn't bother checking for exact center when I had the Chief mount installed. You notice this slight bend down when you have a channel showing sports or politics with the band on the bottom giving you information. I'll fiddle with it some more and see what I get. Thanks again.
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In hanging my projector, I noticed the same thing. The first thing I did was to center the lens back to its home base. Then I worked the mount adjusting the pitch and roll and just slowly worked the mount to show things being square on the screen. You'll need to adjust the zoom to move in and out while making your adjustments. Use the shift to move the entire image to the edges so your mount adjustments are easily seen. It took 15 or 20 minutes of work, but easy with the Chief mount with the geared adjustments.

Thanks Dennis. I have a little work to do.
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FYI, a number of people are getting together here in Colorado to see a RS2000 plus DCR lens at @BondDonBond 's house today. There should be a lot of folks able to give comparisons/impressions by the end of the day.
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I've seen various comments on this but I just want to be clear: if I have my nx5 at a 12 foot throw on a 110 inch screen, will I have picture issues? I know it meets the minimum throw, but I keep seeing comments on barrel distortion and don't want a questionable picture.


We’re only talking about barrel distortion in relation to using a DCR Lens. At least that’s what I’m talking about.
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FYI, a number of people are getting together here in Colorado to see a RS2000 plus DCR lens at @BondDonBond 's house today. There should be a lot of folks able to give comparisons/impressions by the end of the day.


Can’t wait to see what you all think! I’ve been running that combo for a bit now and love it!
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FYI, a number of people are getting together here in Colorado to see a RS2000 plus DCR lens at @BondDonBond 's house today. There should be a lot of folks able to give comparisons/impressions by the end of the day.
I posted this in the Colorado GTG thread, but hope you don't mind my repeating it, as I didn't receive any replies, so I'm not sure if anyone saw it:

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If those who will be there can, I would be most appreciative if you could check out the image quality when actual 16:9 content (not test patterns) is viewed with the DCR in place, under the following circumstances:

Anamorphic B Mode: there is a 6% horizontal squeeze of the image.
Anamorphic C Mode: there is a crop of the original image, losing 10% on the top, and 10% on the bottom. This fills the screen, and maintains the proper aspect ratio, but at the cost of that 10% top and bottom of actual image content.
Anamorphic 'Off' Mode: the image will fill the screen vertically and horizontally, with the image stretched in the horizontal direction, by about 25%.

I will be very interested in hearing how everybody perceives which image is the least objectionable, most acceptable, how obvious the distortion is, etc. This would be in comparison to a regular 16:9 TV screen, for example, or the content without the DCR lens in place, which would show this content with the proper, undistorted aspect ratio.


And if there is time and opportunity, and if you have the set-up for it, the other scenario that is important is with 3d movies with the 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 Aspect Ratio (e.g. Gravity, Despicable Me 3, Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, The Great and Powerful Oz), where Anamorphic C produces black bars on all 4 sides:

The only workable choice here with the DCR in place is:

Anamorphic A: narrow black side bars, with 6% horizontal squeeze (the same amount as there is for 16:9 content with Anamorphic B).

I'm wondering if this would be less noticeable since the image is almost full screen width to begin with.


Anyway, if you can check out some or all of these, it would be greatly appreciated.

And since these situations represent the 'weak-link' in keeping the DCR Lens in place with any of the new JVC Projectors, I would think they would be of great interest to any others who are considering getting one.


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Silly question for you guys. In the instruction manual for my NX7 it states that smoking should be avoided around the projector. That's fine. I don't smoke. But I do like to burn incense once in a while. If I burn a stick of incense off to a corner of the room will this affect the PJ?
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FYI, a number of people are getting together here in Colorado to see a RS2000 plus DCR lens at @BondDonBond 's house today. There should be a lot of folks able to give comparisons/impressions by the end of the day.
Hopefully the weather didn’t put too much of a damper on that meet. We received a descent bit on the north end of the springs.
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