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I can't find the setting for Auto Tone mapping... shouldn't it be on this menu? It looks like it's completely missing? I must be doing something wrong... any ideas?
I've tried changing sources, doing it while a movie is on, picking other picture modes... but this is with HDR10 selected.
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I can't find the setting for Auto Tone mapping... shouldn't it be on this menu? It looks like it's completely missing? I must be doing something wrong... any ideas?
I've tried changing sources, doing it while a movie is on, picking other picture modes... but this is with HDR10 selected.
If there is no metadata from the source, the auto Tone Mapping will not be shown as even available instead of grayed out.
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I can't find the setting for Auto Tone mapping... shouldn't it be on this menu? It looks like it's completely missing? I must be doing something wrong... any ideas?
I've tried changing sources, doing it while a movie is on, picking other picture modes... but this is with HDR10 selected.
Max CLL and Max FALL are showing null values. Should be populated to allow the auto Tone Mapping feature.
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Max CLL and Max FALL are showing null values. Should be populated to allow the auto Tone Mapping feature.
Good catch. I tried it on my AppleTV and it's good there. This is only on my xbox one X. Any idea why that would be like that? I tried it while playing a 4k disc and it doesn't have the info... but the projector does switch over to HDR by itself.
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Good catch. I tried it on my AppleTV and it's good there. This is only on my xbox one X. Any idea why that would be like that? I tried it while playing a 4k disc and it doesn't have the info... but the projector does switch over to HDR by itself.


It might mean the info is absent. Wasn’t that the issue that people were talking about earlier? Metadata being totally missing?
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It might mean the info is absent. Wasn’t that the issue that people were talking about earlier? Metadata being totally missing?
I may have missed that... was it specific to the xbox one x? ****, maybe I need to get a real 4k player. lol
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Silly question for you guys. In the instruction manual for my NX7 it states that smoking should be avoided around the projector. That's fine. I don't smoke. But I do like to burn incense once in a while. If I burn a stick of incense off to a corner of the room will this affect the PJ?

I really wouldn't, if you want to keep your PJ dust spec free.

Incense tends to leave alot of residue over time.


At best I would run an airfilter in the room if you do.
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I have an RS2000 around 50 hours. Programmed it into my control system and when the IP command to shutdown was sent the projector it went unresponsive (remote and back buttons) and only displayed a green screen. I unplugged last night and plugged back in today. It responded but as soon as I sent another IP command to switch input it did it again.
Anybody else using IP control?
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I have an RS2000 around 50 hours. Programmed it into my control system and when the IP command to shutdown was sent the projector it went unresponsive (remote and back buttons) and only displayed a green screen. I unplugged last night and plugged back in today. It responded but as soon as I sent another IP command to switch input it did it again.
Anybody else using IP control?
Maybe your IP commands are buggy and you're invoking test pattern mode somehow...
Have you tried any known working IP control solution?
@markmon1 had a basic control software which sends IR over IP commands, maybe test that to see if it works? https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...-software.html
I don't know if there are other more fully-featured IP control apps out there. I recall JVC had a phone app which worked over IP.
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Forgot to mention that I am using RTI, should I set Control4 SDDP to ON in the network menu? It came set at OFF.


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Silly question for you guys. In the instruction manual for my NX7 it states that smoking should be avoided around the projector. That's fine. I don't smoke. But I do like to burn incense once in a while. If I burn a stick of incense off to a corner of the room will this affect the PJ?
Yes, don't do it. Any pollutants in the air are bad for the projector.
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Hi, is there some optimal seting with OPPO 203 and this new JVC tonemaping?
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Yes, play with it depending on your screen etc. I run mine on 4:2:2 and I have dialed the nits of the display in the settings to 250 and it actually has a better picture than my Panni 820. But you need to mess with it.
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I can't find the setting for Auto Tone mapping... shouldn't it be on this menu? It looks like it's completely missing? I must be doing something wrong... any ideas?
I've tried changing sources, doing it while a movie is on, picking other picture modes... but this is with HDR10 selected.
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Max CLL and Max FALL are showing null values. Should be populated to allow the auto Tone Mapping feature.


Got hit by that last night. Some 4k disks and streaming content have it, and some don't. Even if they have it, it may not be right. Really annoying. (But there may be a great ending to this story.)

Thor Ragnarok doesn't have maxcll and maxfall. Warched last week, good, but not great picture. Pulled it up last night for some other tests and noticed null values. Said magic bad words. Just manually adjusted picture tone +8, and it was so much beter, rewatched almost whole movie. Quick manual tweak of 1 of 3 controls auto tone mapping controls certainly not optimal, but way better than doing nothing.

Short term solution, (at least for newbie me): print out section of jvc manual with suggested manual tweaks for quick reference to have a bit better starting point than staring at 3 zeros.

Long term: I for one am very thankful for the subthread of madvr on jvcs. When the metadata is correct on really good content, picture can be like Mike said. Forget looking out a window, it's like looking out a hole in the wall! However, when the metadata is not there, or not right, JVC auto tone mapping needs manual help. Madvr will do this automagically, much better than I can do manually, and even update/optimize tonemapping as the movie plays instead of using one set for whole movie.


It's got me very excited again for how these JVC will really sing when the dust settles.

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If you only look at fullhd performance out of the source does it look better with x7900 or the n5/rs1000 ?
does the n5 upscale it and does it do a great job.

im looking to upgrade end of the year or early 2020 when current models are cheaper so it might be even hard to find any 7900 but lets assume there is some
still available. My main use would be [email protected] material (80%) but i would also like to enjoy some 4k time to time.
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Hi, is there some optimal seting with OPPO 203 and this new JVC tonemaping?
Yes, play with it depending on your screen etc. I run mine on 4:2:2 and I have dialed the nits of the display in the settings to 250 and it actually has a better picture than my Panni 820. But you need to mess with it.

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Yes, play with it depending on your screen etc. I run mine on 4:2:2 and I have dialed the nits of the display in the settings to 250 and it actually has a better picture than my Panni 820. But you need to mess with it.

I just think is there are some way how to make bether pistures at all. I readed about thats last Panasonic can play movies at SDR 2020 and HDR over tonemaping.
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I may have missed that... was it specific to the xbox one x? ****, maybe I need to get a real 4k player. lol


This happens on my Panny 820 as well.
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Yes, play with it depending on your screen etc. I run mine on 4:2:2 and I have dialed the nits of the display in the settings to 250 and it actually has a better picture than my Panni 820. But you need to mess with it.
Can you tell if the metadata is present on a movie before it starts to play? Would be irrritating with friends over to have to stop playback and fiddle with the settings. Even if it’s just with my I get the “now what are you doing” comment.
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I know Manni and SOWK, stated that it was an improvement overall with their rs2000/N7 and didn't miss much in black levels. Manni has a smaller screen and SOWK has a 150+ in screen, so they noticed a difference with dramatically different size screens. Hopefully mines get here by the end of the month. Not sure if Jason, aka Zombie, got his rs2000 yet.
Zombie's first one arrived damaged. Took a hit and knocked convergence so far out that there was not enough adjustment to even get it close. Replacement was shipped freight, shrink wrapped on a pallet with a cone on top. Projector arrived with no pallett, no cone and a hole in the box. Both units were inspected before shipment. Will be a while before another replacement.
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Both been on the forum for 10+ years and had countless JVC projectors. Manni had the rs500 and is probably the main person, other than Jason, who has provide so much for us JVC owners. Manni created all of the calibration threads and worked with hdfury to get HDR looking acceptable on our units.
SOWK had a 540, as well as many other JVCs. I've own the rs15, 35, 40, 48, 49, 55, 400, and 520.
Yep and between you, Mani and SOWK, we are talking around 20 different JVC's owned by the three of you.
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Yes, don't do it. Any pollutants in the air are bad for the projector.

I guess I'll stick to candles. Thank you.
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I guess I'll stick to candles. Thank you.
Candles are almost as bad. As they burn down you can see the darker smoke rising off the wick. That dark smoke is really soot.

Don't do it.
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I can't find the setting for Auto Tone mapping... shouldn't it be on this menu? It looks like it's completely missing? I must be doing something wrong... any ideas?
I've tried changing sources, doing it while a movie is on, picking other picture modes... but this is with HDR10 selected.
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Can you tell if the metadata is present on a movie before it starts to play? Would be irrritating with friends over to have to stop playback and fiddle with the settings. Even if it’s just with my I get the “now what are you doing” comment.
The Panasonic UB9000 and Oppo 203 will display the original metadata values in their Information screen. The UB820 does not have this capability.

I stopped updating this Google sheet, but it contains metadata values for some 160 older UHD discs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Of these titles, 58 of the 160 (36%) have zero values for MaxCLL and MaxFall. No matter what disc player you use for these 58, there will be no MaxCLL/MaxFall metadata values sent to the JVC.

Also, metadata is only sent when your disc player is in HDR output mode. If you have your player set to SDR/BT2020 output there is, of course, no metadata sent.

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I have an RS2000 around 50 hours. Programmed it into my control system and when the IP command to shutdown was sent the projector it went unresponsive (remote and back buttons) and only displayed a green screen. I unplugged last night and plugged back in today. It responded but as soon as I sent another IP command to switch input it did it again.
Anybody else using IP control?
I’m using Control4 IP and no issue here

Been working well for about a month
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I guess I'll stick to candles. Thank you.
Agree with Willie...
Any thing that burns with fire is bad for a projector, fireplaces, incense, candles, vaping etc...
Even if you can't smell it, the particulates enter the house from the source and spread.
It affects the projector especially because the intake fan draws it in.
Even occasional use of any of the things mentioned will have a bad effect, it will just take longer.
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The Panasonic UB9000 and Oppo 203 will display the original metadata values in their Information screen. The UB820 does not have this capability.

I stopped updating this Google sheet, but it contains metadata values for some 160 older UHD discs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Of these titles, 58 of the 160 (36%) have zero values for MaxCLL and MaxFall. No matter what disc player you use for these 58, there will be no MaxCLL/MaxFall metadata values sent to the JVC.

Also, metadata is only sent when your disc player is in HDR output mode. If you have your player set to SDR/BT2020 output there is, of course, no metadata sent.



Great sheet! Didn't know you were the one, thanks Was googling Thor ragnarok maxcll this morning and found a version of it.


Thanks for putting it out there. Don't expect you to keep updating, but nice to confirm sorry state of metadata studios release for JVC, Panasonic etc to work with for tone mapping. (Or not work for many titles )

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