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post #6661 of 28578 Old 02-24-2019, 08:39 PM
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One would think with expensive items such as these, freight companies would offer a premium golden glove service, for an additional charge of course. Train the delivery driver properly and supply the correct equipment to enable safe handling.
Does not matter, they would still damage items, the shipping business has been the same way for the last 15 years I have been involved, there is no accountability, and eventually if you put up a big enough fight they will tell you to ship with someone else. Problem is there are only a few shippers that will touch expensive goods which leaves everyone stuck within about 7 companies. Sure you can switch but the next guy is the same way...... The good news is, they pretty much pay the claims if there is damage.
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Also, this is where madVR type tone mapping really shines. What if a movie has a MaxCLL of 4500 nits, but that's 1 pixel in the whole movie and the next brightest is say 1100 nits. If you use a 4500 nit curve on that, the whole picture is a little too dark. MadVR handles this situation ideally by measuring each frame.
I sure wish that they could put this technology in a 4K BR player or the projector itself.
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I sure wish that they could put this technology in a 4K BR player or the projector itself.
And if they can't, that Lumagen releases a box that just does this function at hopefully a much reduced rate
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My RS2000 crashed today. I was watching HDR content (Netflix on Xbox One X) and the screen abruptly showed the image below. It was definitely the projector as I couldn't open the menu and switching sources and power cycling the AVR had no effect. I powered down and powered back up and it was fine. I'm chalking this up to sh*t happens unless it starts becoming a regular occurrence.

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Off topic post - but I will be building my HTPC for MadVR to use with my NX7 this week. Can someone please point me to how to setup MadVR esp for real-time frame by frame dynamic mapping. I get approx 25FL in high lamp on my screen and about 18fL on low lamp - and hoping to get HDR like performance on low lamp via the dynamic mapping

Any pointers will be greatly appreciated
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Off topic post - but I will be building my HTPC for MadVR to use with my NX7 this week. Can someone please point me to how to setup MadVR esp for real-time frame by frame dynamic mapping. I get approx 25FL in high lamp on my screen and about 18fL on low lamp - and hoping to get HDR like performance on low lamp via the dynamic mapping

Any pointers will be greatly appreciated
If you just want to be up and running, you can start with build45, which is what I've been using for a couple weeks and its really good. The progress on this is almost daily builds, so at least build45 is a good stable starting point from my perspective. If you do that, you can grab the build from post 5099: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57595492. Make sure you turn off measurement files, do not enable anything in the trade quality for performance screen that disables the measurement of frames, and configure the hdr like shown in the image, but set your nits. 1FL = 3.46 nits. So your low lamp setting is 62 nits. So start there. (You'll see I entered 105 nits on my screen).

There are other things in madVR to configure, but you might want to take that to the madVR 4k pc thread. Some hints are that you want to sync your display mode to your actual projector and desktop mode. I use RGB/8 desktop so I map everything to BT706 in madVR and have windows to extended color (0-255 not 16-235). My projector is in either enhanced or auto for this. If you're in standard or YUV you'll want to set that stuff instead. If you're mapping to BT2020 instead of BT706, you'll need to set that and whether or not you're using a calibrated display and to what curve. I am currently using a lot of settings that are probably not recommended settings or I'd paste more of my screens here. Like I do a lot of stuff on desktop and it's just easier to have it always at RGB / 8 bit extended. I think madVR does a great job translating the color space.

If you use these settings, you'll note that the "output video in HDR format" box is unchecked. This will cause your projector to think it's just getting SDR. Perfect - so it won't try to tone map etc. So just treat it like regular video at that point. Make sure your desktop is at 4K not 1080p. MadVR has a ton of great upscaling options that are better left for another thread. I value it's upscaling more than its tone mapping.
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Agree with Willie...
Any thing that burns with fire is bad for a projector, fireplaces, incense, candles, vaping etc...
Even if you can't smell it, the particulates enter the house from the source and spread.
It affects the projector especially because the intake fan draws it in.
Even occasional use of any of the things mentioned will have a bad effect, it will just take longer.

Amazing stuff! I can say that there are plenty of dust particles constantly floating around my little cave. I will have to refrain from burning anything in the future. Any suggestions for pleasant odors to mask unpleasant dog odors other than banning entrance of dogs? They like action films as much as the next dog!
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Get on of the electric candle warmers that warms the wax and gives you the scent without the soot and smoke.



Aaaahhhhhh! I knew someone would come up with something! Thanks Jim! I'll give it a go.
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Yep my friend bought me one of those for a house warming gift. They work great and zero smoke. Perfect idea...
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I run a window cleaning business. When doing places where they have fireplaces, or burn candles or incense, the water in my bucket turns black as ink by the time I wash five or six windows. Even though they don't look dirty, those windows are covered by a thin layer of soot. Believe me, if you burn candles, incense or have your projector in a room with an open fireplace or combustion fireplace, soot will be all over your projector. Will it damage it badly? Probably not, but it aint doing it any good either. If you can avoid it, leave the burning things out of your theatre.

No ****! Never imagined! I have a candle warmer on the way from Amazon. Thanks for the insight guys!
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My RS2000 crashed today. I was watching HDR content (Netflix on Xbox One X) and the screen abruptly showed the image below. It was definitely the projector as I couldn't open the menu and switching sources and power cycling the AVR had no effect. I powered down and powered back up and it was fine. I'm chalking this up to sh*t happens unless it starts becoming a regular occurrence.

That looks like an hdmi cable issue, I’ve had similar looking screens over the years with different pjs.
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My RS2000 crashed today. I was watching HDR content (Netflix on Xbox One X) and the screen abruptly showed the image below. It was definitely the projector as I couldn't open the menu and switching sources and power cycling the AVR had no effect. I powered down and powered back up and it was fine. I'm chalking this up to sh*t happens unless it starts becoming a regular occurrence.
I'm seeing something similar. I get a different more regular pattern of vertical lines but everything else is the same, i.e. the only thing that gets rid of it is a power cycle.

In investigating I've found out the following:

1. I just happen to have a large group of video files that have almost the same patterns at the beginning. Every one of these causes the problem (at the beginning), whereas almost nothing else will cause it.
2. I did not have this problem on firmware 1.17. It suddenly started when I updated to 1.20. While this could have been a coincidence, I think that the odds are that it is firmware related.

Based on the above, I believe that this problem exists in 1.20, but most people will only see it very infrequently, if at all. I agree that, on first glance, this could be taken for a HDMI cabling issue, but I've investigated that thoroughly and that is not the case.

I'm investigating further.
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Candles are almost as bad. As they burn down you can see the darker smoke rising off the wick. That dark smoke is really soot.

Don't do it.

Also Candles leave a waxy (surprise) residue, you can notice this after a time of burning them.
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I'm seeing something similar. I get a different more regular pattern of vertical lines but everything else is the same, i.e. the only thing that gets rid of it is a power cycle.

In investigating I've found out the following:

1. I just happen to have a large group of video files that have almost the same patterns at the beginning. Every one of these causes the problem (at the beginning), whereas almost nothing else will cause it.
2. I did not have this problem on firmware 1.17. It suddenly started when I updated to 1.20. While this could have been a coincidence, I think that the odds are that it is firmware related.

Based on the above, I believe that this problem exists in 1.20, but most people will only see it very infrequently, if at all. I agree that, on first glance, this could be taken for a HDMI cabling issue, but I've investigated that thoroughly and that is not the case.

I'm investigating further.
What do yo mean videos with the same patterns? Can you say what the videos are and what the patterns are?

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What do yo mean videos with the same patterns? Can you say what the videos are and what the patterns are?
The files are captures off streaming which all have the same lead in graphic - a sort of "spinning circle". I've also seen the problem consistently with a menu that is created internally in my HTPC. I certainly don't have enough information to predict what exactly will cause the problem (and I may never have). I do intend to try to extract a video clip that will reproduce the problem reliably.

So far, my experience is that the problem will occur very, very infrequently in regular video material, so much so that many people will never see it at all. The OP was, of course, one of the exceptions (if indeed it was the same problem).
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Nope, no lock up. But I use IP Control with the rs2000 (iRule) without any problem.

Anyway I just wanted to flag that in my case this green screen was a refresh rate issue. If all your sources produce this, then it's a different problem.
Anything special to do with the gateway or anything on iRule? I have this setup and the app shows a connection, but commands fail.

Using port 20554 and RS series commands downloaded from iRule.

Commands start x21/x89/x01 and so on.

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Anything special to do with the gateway or anything on iRule? I have this setup and the app shows a connection, but commands fail.

Using port 20554 and RS series commands downloaded from iRule.

Commands start x21/x89/x01 and so on.
You need to send a PJREQ command either before each command, or as part of an entrance/repeat. I simply stack PJREQ before each command, otherwise it closes the menu if you send it regularly.
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That looks like an hdmi cable issue, I’ve had similar looking screens over the years with different pjs.
It's a hard crash of the PJ software which I think is hard to pin down on any specific cause, particularly as it's only happened once in 58 hours of use. While I could imagine bad HDMI data might trigger it I would expect HDMI cable issues to be resolvable by switching inputs or power cycling the AVR; both of which should cause an HDMI re-sync.
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I'm seeing something similar. I get a different more regular pattern of vertical lines but everything else is the same, i.e. the only thing that gets rid of it is a power cycle.

In investigating I've found out the following:

1. I just happen to have a large group of video files that have almost the same patterns at the beginning. Every one of these causes the problem (at the beginning), whereas almost nothing else will cause it.
2. I did not have this problem on firmware 1.17. It suddenly started when I updated to 1.20. While this could have been a coincidence, I think that the odds are that it is firmware related.

Based on the above, I believe that this problem exists in 1.20, but most people will only see it very infrequently, if at all. I agree that, on first glance, this could be taken for a HDMI cabling issue, but I've investigated that thoroughly and that is not the case.

I'm investigating further.
Is it a static image or does it change as the video keeps playing? Mine was static; nothing I did changed anything on the screen. In my case I restarted the stream I was watching a few second before this happened so it did replay the same content but the problem did not manifest again.
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Is it a static image or does it change as the video keeps playing? Mine was static; nothing I did changed anything on the screen. In my case I restarted the stream I was watching a few second before this happened so it did replay the same content but the problem did not manifest again.
This type of crash has been reported back to at least the RS400/500/600 line of Projectors (I am not aware of issues with prior ones, as I wasn't involved in HT at that time). At one point, it seemed to occur with Netflix streaming content via Roku, specifically when CMD was enabled. Consequently, it was recommended to disable CMD when streaming Netflix (at least on a Roku). I have seen it sporadically on my RS400, even when Netflix and/or the Roku was not involved, so that basically disproves that theory.

Somehow, it is just losing sync, and I also don't think the HDMI cable as such has anything to do with it. I will occasionally see it when I go from watching a UHD movie on disc and the player returns to its home menu. The Projector is actually responding to commands on the remote, it's just that you can't see what is happening. So if you turn it off with the Remote, as you would normally, it will shut down properly.

I was hoping this glitch would not occur with the new generation of JVC's, but apparently this is not the case.

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One would think with expensive items such as these, freight companies would offer a premium golden glove service, for an additional charge of course. Train the delivery driver properly and supply the correct equipment to enable safe handling.

Would be a darn sight cheaper than the back and forthing.....
Probably more like enforce the training that was taught. Like the video posted earlier. All the driver needed to do was take care with the package and use his two wheeled dolly and the projector probably would have been fine. Instead, he tried to manhandle the large package and dropped it. I know UPS drivers are supposed to have a two wheeled dolly on their truck. My UPS driver uses it all the time on large packages and he is not a small guy. I guess it comes down to, do you take pride in your work and customer satisfaction or just don't care.
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Also, this is where madVR type tone mapping really shines. What if a movie has a MaxCLL of 4500 nits, but that's 1 pixel in the whole movie and the next brightest is say 1100 nits. If you use a 4500 nit curve on that, the whole picture is a little too dark. MadVR handles this situation ideally by measuring each frame.
That is where the slider adjustment for brightness comes in.
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It's a hard crash of the PJ software which I think is hard to pin down on any specific cause, particularly as it's only happened once in 58 hours of use. While I could imagine bad HDMI data might trigger it I would expect HDMI cable issues to be resolvable by switching inputs or power cycling the AVR; both of which should cause an HDMI re-sync.
To confirm it is not an HDMI issue. If it does this again, unplug the HDMI cable from the projector and wait about 10 minutes to see if it clears. If it clears, then it was an HDMI issue caused by another piece of equipment.
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Train the delivery driver properly and supply the correct equipment to enable safe handling.

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Probably more like enforce the training that was taught. Like the video posted earlier. All the driver needed to do was take care with the package and use his two wheeled dolly and the projector probably would have been fine. Instead, he tried to manhandle the large package and dropped it. I know UPS drivers are supposed to have a two wheeled dolly on their truck. My UPS driver uses it all the time on large packages and he is not a small guy. I guess it comes down to, do you take pride in your work and customer satisfaction or just don't care.
Highjinx & Mike,

As both of you say there are very-very easy ways to eliminate a large percentage of DAMAGED goods.
It all comes down to exactly what we all know .........
All the people involved have to (Care) and saying it like we all know it really is.
That just simply is not the case at all.
It's like UPS or Fed Ex dropping package/packages at your Front-Door and REFUSE to ring the Damn-Door-Bell.
How hard is that to do when they are already right there where it's located !!!

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Off topic post - but I will be building my HTPC for MadVR to use with my NX7 this week. Can someone please point me to how to setup MadVR esp for real-time frame by frame dynamic mapping. I get approx 25FL in high lamp on my screen and about 18fL on low lamp - and hoping to get HDR like performance on low lamp via the dynamic mapping

Any pointers will be greatly appreciated
Same here I am also building this week as well - any pointers to a guide specifically around 1080p upscale and 4k HDR dynamic tone mapping would be appreciated.
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Lots of 4K hdr Demo content on this site can download to watch - some look pretty amazing just on my ancient 1080P RS25 -

https://4kmedia.org/
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Is it a static image or does it change as the video keeps playing? Mine was static; nothing I did changed anything on the screen. In my case I restarted the stream I was watching a few second before this happened so it did replay the same content but the problem did not manifest again.
In my case, the vertical lines remain constant most of the time. However, it continues playing with the correct images "underneath" the vertical lines. If you're saying that you see ONLY the vertical lines (and nothing else) once they occur, then it becomes more possible that we have different problems.

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This type of crash has been reported back to at least the RS400/500/600 line of Projectors (I am not aware of issues with prior ones, as I wasn't involved in HT at that time). At one point, it seemed to occur with Netflix streaming content via Roku, specifically when CMD was enabled. Consequently, it was recommended to disable CMD when streaming Netflix (at least on a Roku). I have seen it sporadically on my RS400, even when Netflix and/or the Roku was not involved, so that basically disproves that theory.

Somehow, it is just losing sync, and I also don't think the HDMI cable as such has anything to do with it. I will occasionally see it when I go from watching a UHD movie on disc and the player returns to its home menu. The Projector is actually responding to commands on the remote, it's just that you can't see what is happening. So if you turn it off with the Remote, as you would normally, it will shut down properly.

I was hoping this glitch would not occur with the new generation of JVC's, but apparently this is not the case.
This sounds somewhat different than what I've been seeing. As I said above, the video can be seen playing "underneath" and everything else (including the remote) still works, so I don't think it is a sync issue. But it's not completely clear whether we have one common issue or two separate ones.

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To confirm it is not an HDMI issue. If it does this again, unplug the HDMI cable from the projector and wait about 10 minutes to see if it clears. If it clears, then it was an HDMI issue caused by another piece of equipment.
I've done enough swapping around of equipment that I'm pretty sure that my issue, at least, is not due to HDMI. I will do this exact test to be sure.
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In my case, the vertical lines remain constant most of the time. However, it continues playing with the correct images "underneath" the vertical lines. If you're saying that you see ONLY the vertical lines (and nothing else) once they occur, then it becomes more possible that we have different problems.
Yeah, the image I posted is all I see - a solid field of blue with vertical lines in it. Not a single pixel changed no matter what I did until I cycled power on the projector.
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This sounds somewhat different than what I've been seeing. As I said above, the video can be seen playing "underneath" and everything else (including the remote) still works, so I don't think it is a sync issue. But it's not completely clear whether we have one common issue or two separate ones.
Interesting. I couldn't see any actual content 'underneath' the blue lines and patterns, and in the situation I'm talking about, there is nothing 'underneath' - just a pattern of lines, colors, etc.

I'll be following this to see what is causing this.

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Are there some common out of the box settings for the NX series that people are changing? Granted there will be custom variations based on the source, room and screen. I'm just trying to get a good baseline.
What Picture Mode, Color Profile and Gamma mode, MPC settings are you all using for TV content and 4k HDR player content?
Has anyone compared the scaling capability of this projector against their pre or a stand alone scaler like the DVDO?
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